Who replaces Stoner at HRC for 2013

cliche guevara · May 22, 2012

suzuki?possible but highly unlikely,i dont think he is motivated to jump on a sub-par machine again.either stay at ducati or a guarantee to be able to fight for the championship.and thats only yamaha/honda factory machinery

chopperman · May 22, 2012

Jumkie said:
Disagree buddy. Its a no brainer! Rossi stays at Ducati, continues to be mid pack. Rossi moves to Honda, easily beats Pedro. Moves to Yamaha, and is a Yamaha 1,2, so its a 50/50 chances of winning every race. Who here wants to debate that Rossi on a sorted Honda or Yamaha can't beat the rest of the field? Again, its a NO BRAINER! Stay at Ducati and finishes the rest of his career as a midpack rider, leave for a Jap factory and immediately is the odds on favorite if not at least second to the title. Who is going to question his 'commitment & loyalty' to Ducati if everybody blames Ducati for 'holding Rossi back'. Have you not been reading the "the champ is back!' theme of reaction around the world? What is there to debate buddy?

Ok i will play.

Rossi has a total of 9 wc's. Many here don't count the lower classes because in their opinion their worthless (pov). They say 7 wc's and i doubt Rossi jumps in to argue the point.

My point is Rossi may see getting the ducati competitive enough to challenge for a wc a more worth while goal than another wc to the total on a bike we all know is capable.

Jumkie · May 22, 2012

chopperman said:
Ok i will play.

Rossi has a total of 9 wc's. Many here don't count the lower classes because in their opinion their worthless (pov). They say 7 wc's and i doubt Rossi jumps in to argue the point.

My point is Rossi may see getting the ducati competitive enough to challenge for a wc a more worth while goal than another wc to the total on a bike we all know is capable.

National and lower international category titles are worthy of mention, I don't count them as "World" titles unless its at the top of either Wsbk or MotoGP. However, I agree with your point that Pov is a ~~....~~ ..... (Sorry, I only reserve '.... status for BM)

I agree with you that it is a much more lofty goal to make Ducati competitive, but honestly, I don't think Rossi cares much about lofty goals. He cares about wins and world titles (as he should). I'm willing to bet you a fine bottle of tequila for a bottle of woods that he leaves Ducati. Bet?

Willski · May 22, 2012

Jumkie said:
National and lower international category titles are worthy of mention, I don't count them as "World" titles unless its at the top of either Wsbk or MotoGP. However, I agree with your point that Pov is a ~~....~~ ..... (Sorry, I only reserve '.... status for BM)

I agree with you that it is a much more lofty goal to make Ducati competitive, but honestly, I don't think Rossi cares much about lofty goals. He cares about wins and world titles (as he should). I'm willing to bet you a fine bottle of tequila for a bottle of woods that he leaves Ducati. Bet?

I'll take that bet compa. Whether I win or lose, I will drink both bottles with ya

Willski · May 22, 2012

Can't remember, but has Redding got another year already in place with the VDS team ? From what I had heard he is highly thought of in bologna

Jumkie · May 22, 2012

Willski said:
I'll take that bet compa. Whether I win or lose, I will drink both bottles with ya

Great avi!!!! hahahaha

What ever happened to that sweet MotoChick? I think we all scared her away accusing her of not existing.

Willski · May 22, 2012

Jumkie said:
Great avi!!!! hahahaha

What ever happened to that sweet MotoChick? I think we all scared her away accusing her of not existing.

She is currently enjoying some willski hospitality in good old blighty. She says sorry she ain't been on the forum lately because she has had her hands full

chopperman · May 22, 2012

Jumkie said:
National and lower international category titles are worthy of mention, I don't count them as "World" titles unless its at the top of either Wsbk or MotoGP. However, I agree with your point that Pov is a ~~....~~ ..... (Sorry, I only reserve '.... status for BM)

I agree with you that it is a much more lofty goal to make Ducati competitive, but honestly, I don't think Rossi cares much about lofty goals. He cares about wins and world titles (as he should). I'm willing to bet you a fine bottle of tequila for a bottle of woods that he leaves Ducati. Bet?

Bet accepted compa.

chopperman · May 22, 2012

Willski said:
She is currently enjoying some willski hospitality in good old blighty. She says sorry she ain't been on the forum lately because she has had her hands full

Fingers full more like

Talpa · May 22, 2012

Jumkie said:
National and lower international category titles are worthy of mention, I don't count them as "World" titles unless its at the top of either Wsbk or MotoGP. However, I agree with your point that Pov is a ~~....~~ ..... (Sorry, I only reserve '.... status for BM)

I agree with you that it is a much more lofty goal to make Ducati competitive, but honestly, I don't think Rossi cares much about lofty goals. He cares about wins and world titles (as he should). I'm willing to bet you a fine bottle of tequila for a bottle of woods that he leaves Ducati. Bet?

Unless through some miracle, the only way the Ducati can become competitive again in the near future would be the removal of the sole tyre reg.....and wouldn't we love that! Rossi proved on the weekend that the bike 'IS' the issue in the dry-and even in the wet-The understeer was as plain as day against the yams in particular, no doubt humbling a lot of Ducatista and the engineers themselves. But no one is saying that beating the Japs under these regs is an easy task, if anything-its Herculean!

Again, at this stage of Rossi's career, I think if/when he wins another title that will be it. The likelihood of that happening with ducati at present is very slim. I can see Lorenzo on the Honda-Spanish dollars and all. Pedders demoted to satellite Honda or Yamaha and either Bradl or Cal the second factory effort.

Rossi will go back to Yamaha in a heartbeat.....the history is very strong there, with only the old salary issue standing out publically-they might even bring Masao out of retirement. And if they lose Lorenzo, Yamaha would have no other really viable option if they want to challenge for the title. This would also give them back some much needed title sponsorship.

JB will stay as long as Rossi does, maybe even longer, Alex Briggs tweeted recently-JB has oil in his veins-and laughed off the retirement rumors. And I'm sure JB would not advise against moving back to Yamaha or Honda......

lil red rocket pilot · May 22, 2012

chopperman said:
Fingers full more like

Finger and thumb!

hawkdriver · May 22, 2012

Dennis Noyes is saying that word in the paddock is that Honda is going to be going after Jlo and Yam will then welcome Rossi back.

michaelm · May 22, 2012

hawkdriver said:
Dennis Noyes is saying that word in the paddock is that Honda is going to be going after Jlo and Yam will then welcome Rossi back.

This would also have the advantage of "rehabilitating" rossi as a yamaha guy. He can be a yamaha guy in his retirement for the rest of his life, as eddie lawson is, which is good for both parties.

All of this would leave ducati fairly screwed, but they probably are anyway.

lil red rocket pilot · May 22, 2012

J4rn0 said:
Then assuming Rossi leaves Ducati one could imagine Lorenzo at Honda, Vale back to Yamaha and Ducati all after Crutchlow...

Assuming so then yes it could be a possibility. But I pray to whoever Cal don't go to Ducati.

Prefer no:2 factory Yamaha rider been british n all

livewoutlimit · May 22, 2012

When are we going to start hearing press rumors on who's going where?

Will the politicians let Rossi stay at Ducati?

Cal vs Dovi is going to be great throughout the season - one of them's gotta go. They will fight for the factory seat till the end.

Lorenzo is very comfortable with Yamaha & will probably sign another 2 year contract.

Gotta keep an eye on Bautista & Bradl for Stoner's seat.

birdman · May 22, 2012

Talpa said:
Unless through some miracle, the only way the Ducati can become competitive again in the near future would be the removal of the sole tyre reg.....and wouldn't we love that! Rossi proved on the weekend that the bike 'IS' the issue in the dry-and even in the wet-The understeer was as plain as day against the yams in particular, no doubt humbling a lot of Ducatista and the engineers themselves. But no one is saying that beating the Japs under these regs is an easy task, if anything-its Herculean!

Again, at this stage of Rossi's career, I think if/when he wins another title that will be it. The likelihood of that happening with ducati at present is very slim. I can see Lorenzo on the Honda-Spanish dollars and all. Pedders demoted to satellite Honda or Yamaha and either Bradl or Cal the second factory effort.

Rossi will go back to Yamaha in a heartbeat.....the history is very strong there, with only the old salary issue standing out publically-they might even bring Masao out of retirement. And if they lose Lorenzo, Yamaha would have no other really viable option if they want to challenge for the title. This would also give them back some much needed title sponsorship.

JB will stay as long as Rossi does, maybe even longer, Alex Briggs tweeted recently-JB has oil in his veins-and laughed off the retirement rumors. And I'm sure JB would not advise against moving back to Yamaha or Honda......

Rossi only proved that when lap times are reduced by 15 seconds, the Ducati is competitive. Is the understeer which occurs at high lean angles still an issue in the wet? The race gives little indication about where Rossi is at. The big question mark is whether he can still find that final 0.1 sec per lap which makes all the difference when trying to beat Lorenzo. Its a maybe.

Lorenzo is a certainty. Yamaha would be crazy to let Lorenzo go banking on the idea Rossi, Crutchlow or Dovi can equal him. I find it laughable Yamaha would sit back quitely letting Lorenzo go to Honda. He will get massive money. With Stoner gone, both Yamaha and Lorenzo appear to have the current field covered, with the potential to go on a GOAT like run. When rev limits and maybe control ECU comes in all the Honda engine advantages could dissappear, leaving just a chattering chasis, which might have been in the back of Stoners mind when he refused the two year deal.

It shapes up very nicely for Rossi to get another Azzurro Honda provided he feels he can walk out on the Ducati without giving the impression he has also turned his back on Italy. Its a big decision.

frizzle · May 22, 2012

Willski said:
She is currently enjoying some willski hospitality in good old blighty. She says sorry she ain't been on the forum lately because she has had her hands full

Is this code for you're jerking yourself off?

inam22 · May 22, 2012

birdman said:
It shapes up very nicely for Rossi to get another Azzurro Honda provided he feels he can walk out on the Ducati without giving the impression he has also turned his back on Italy. Its a big decision.

I can't see any problem with Rossi leaving Ducati as long as he honour his contract and leave at the end of the season as every body can see for what ever reason Rossi, Ducati combination is not working so perhaps it's best for both sides to part their ways and go to different directions.

hawkdriver · May 22, 2012

michaelm said:
This would also have the advantage of "rehabilitating" rossi as a yamaha guy. He can be a yamaha guy in his retirement for the rest of his life, as eddie lawson is, which is good for both parties.

All of this would leave ducati fairly screwed, but they probably are anyway.

Yep in my dream world situation, Casey has done this to get Vale back on a competitive bike and then he comes back at the last moment and we get the greatest season of all time with epic battles between the two of them. I would put my money on CS to win the crown but it would probably be the most motivated and competitive Rossi we have ever seen. It would also be nice for him to go out fighting against the young bucks. It isn't to far fetched as it's probably the only way CS could ever get any respect from the sport. Then again all the conspiracy theories from the losing side would be unbearable. I should go on crash and start the rumor now, or I'll just tell mental that this is the latest conspiracy to come from Dorna and CS was secretly forced to retire or be banned and let mental do all the leg work and filling in of the blanks.

birdman · May 22, 2012

inam said:
I can't see any problem with Rossi leaving Ducati as long as he honour his contract and leave at the end of the season as every body can see for what ever reason Rossi, Ducati combination is not working so perhaps it's best for both sides to part their ways and go to different directions.

Rossi will be a legend either way, but say he leaves Ducati and they eventually fold. Rossi is Italian, he's patriotic, loves hanging out in Italy at Mugello and Misano, so it would affect him. Now think Rossi against all odds gets Ducati back winning. He will be a national hero and a saviour and maybe get a bigger high than he's ever had previously. I also think Rossi would be an ideal Ducati team manager at some point.

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