Who is tired of hearing

Before the Rossi fanatics get their panties in a wad,let me say that i am a Rossi fan and if it wasnt for Hayden being in Gp,he is who i would cheer for.Obviuosly Bridgestone has caught and passed Michelin but i am tired of Rossi,Pedro,etc; bitching about tires.I dont recall Rossi saying the reason he won 3 strait titles on Michelin vs Bridgestone, was mainly because his tires were superior.First it was the Ducati was much faster,then Stoner won a couple of races where the Ducati couldnt stretch its legs, and then it was tires.Its time to shut up and run what you have and give credit where credit is due.Stoner is having a magical year,enjoy it and dont make excuses .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Jul 24 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]81134[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Before the Rossi fanatics get their panties in a wad,let me say that i am a Rossi fan and if it wasnt for Hayden being in Gp,he is who i would cheer for.Obviuosly Bridgestone has caught and passed Michelin but i am tired of Rossi,Pedro,etc; bitching about tires.I dont recall Rossi saying the reason he won 3 strait titles on Michelin vs Bridgestone, was mainly because his tires were superior.First it was the Ducati was much faster,then Stoner won a couple of races where the Ducati couldnt stretch its legs, and then it was tires.Its time to shut up and run what you have and give credit where credit is due.Stoner is having a magical year,enjoy it and dont make excuses .

the thing is, anybody who didn't win must of had some sort of problem whether it be rider tyres or bike.
the thing is people ask say for example fiat yamaha what problem they had and they get an answer or in this case people like mamola and ago saw the shot tyre and told the press so i dont really see it as teams making excuses just answering questions. but i no what you mean.

tired of hearing it?!?! .... i'm tired of "SEEING" it!

the new tire rule sucks.....it's taking away from the racing....period.

Yeah, anybody who doesn't win needs to identify and improve on whatever the limiting factor was, and tyres are often the most significant part.

the racing sucks because michelin cannot adapt itself to it

If they do suck and you're unable to ride to your full ability then wouldn't you be annoyed?

We all know Rossi can race on worn tyres and win from almost anywhere on the grid so there has to be more to it than just him if he can't challenge for the front when he was able to win at another round from 11th.

It's not about Rossi...hell i don't like Pedrobot, but that kid has handed Stoner his ... since the 125s..he can't even stay with'm now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Jul 24 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]81136[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
the thing is, anybody who didn't win must of had some sort of problem whether it be rider tyres or bike.
the thing is people ask say for example fiat yamaha what problem they had and they get an answer or in this case people like mamola and ago saw the shot tyre and told the press so i dont really see it as teams making excuses just answering questions. but i no what you mean.


That is true,when interviewed,they get asked questions that they have to answer but instead of saying something like,Congrtas to the winner,they had us covered today.We will go back to work and see if we cant get them next time.What we get is,Obviously we were at a disadvantage because of our tires,this is not good for Gp or the fans.What they are saying is,when i get beat, you can bet its no fault of mine.If i had his tires,motor,suspension,etc,that would be me on top of the podium.Thats what prototype racing is all about isnt it,someone gaining an advantage and everyone else busting their ... to match the new technology.If they want spec racing,go to Superbike.

Year in ,year out,someone WILL moan.Thats racing

The riders do have a genuine gripe.

The fact that Michelin charges the team a million bucks and then gives them a tire than cannot keep up with a free tire that Bridgestone is handing out will make anyone mad. No wonder Michelin riders are complaining. The Bridgestone riders have nothing to complain about, since they are getting free tires.

Why Michelins cannot make a decent tire especially when the diplacemanet has come down from 990cc to 800cc is a puzzle. But, when did the french ever make a high technology cutting edge product?

The simple solution is for the complainers to switch brands at the end of the season. Burgess, Rossi's crew chief, had already mentioned that he would like to give the stones a try..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 24 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]81139[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, anybody who doesn't win needs to identify and improve on whatever the limiting factor was, and tyres are often the most significant part.


yes your spot on rossi has 2 limiting factors

1. tyres
2. engine

alot of people are trying to put rossi down and i think its wrong,
regardless what anyone says if you give the guy the tools he will beat anyone, they have time now so i hope they can get the tyres sorted or he can wave the championship goodbye. another thing hopefully he will get the replacement engine soon which will tighten the gap between yamaha and ducati, yamaha will get higher rpm's better acceleration/top end from the pneumatic valve powerplant.
people saying about the tyre moaning isnt fair, imagine how annoyed you would be if everytime you went out to race your tyres turned into chewing gum.

i just hope this can get sorted and soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Jul 24 2007, 07:44 PM) [snapback]81153[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes your spot on rossi has 2 limiting factors

1. tyres
2. engine

alot of people are trying to put rossi down and i think its wrong,
regardless what anyone says if you give the guy the tools he will beat anyone, they have time now so i hope they can get the tyres sorted or he can wave the championship goodbye. another thing hopefully he will get the replacement engine soon which will tighten the gap between yamaha and ducati, yamaha will get higher rpm's better acceleration/top end from the pneumatic valve powerplant.
people saying about the tyre moaning isnt fair, imagine how annoyed you would be if everytime you went out to race your tyres turned into chewing gum.

i just hope this can get sorted and soon.


I'm glad you agree with me, but i am not keen on the way you have suggested Rossi can do no wrong, Stoner has ridden better pretty much all season regardless of equipment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Jul 24 2007, 10:29 AM) [snapback]81134[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Before the Rossi fanatics get their panties in a wad,let me say that i am a Rossi fan and if it wasnt for Hayden being in Gp,he is who i would cheer for.Obviuosly Bridgestone has caught and passed Michelin but i am tired of Rossi,Pedro,etc; bitching about tires.I dont recall Rossi saying the reason he won 3 strait titles on Michelin vs Bridgestone, was mainly because his tires were superior.First it was the Ducati was much faster,then Stoner won a couple of races where the Ducati couldnt stretch its legs, and then it was tires.Its time to shut up and run what you have and give credit where credit is due.Stoner is having a magical year,enjoy it and dont make excuses .


since the beginning of the season, Rossi has given Stoner plenty of credit always complimenting Stoner's skill as well as the Duc and the Stones. In print, Hayden has done the same thing saying that too many people are talking about the bike and tires and not Stoner's skill.

but obvious is obvious. you are aware that the only thing that really separates the bikes now are the tires and the electronics, right? the HP advantage the Duc has is overblown (or are you going to say that that's the reason Stoner is winning?). Rossi passed Stoner with ease at Assen and Pedrosa walked away from everybody at Germany last week. Cataluyna, Rossi and Stoner were neck and neck right to the end so even if the Duc has 5 or 6 or 7 more MPH, the HP advantage isn't deciding the races... it's the tires. everybody's making enough HP to go fast, the issue is getting that power down via rubber.

it's not like Rossi or Pedrosa all of a sudden forgot how to ride. Did you see Melandri catch up and walk away from Rossi and Pedrosa? Stones in the top 3 and by a large margin.

should the riders make up stories to explain their finishing position or just give a normal analysis of what happened? if they're on michelins and they're not working, then that answer to the interview question is "tires". what exactly do you want? the truth or fluff?

the bottom line is that tires will always be a part of post race analysis. even in WSBK with a spec tire, they always factor into the post race analysis... just ask Corser how they factor in or Bayliss after Brno this weekend. tires are a fundamental element of racing. complaining about riders talking about tire quality/endurance makes no sense. if you don't like to hear about how tires affect a race, you should go watch baseball or golf.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Jul 24 2007, 02:11 PM) [snapback]81162[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
since the beginning of the season, Rossi has given Stoner plenty of credit always complimenting Stoner's skill as well as the Duc and the Stones. In print, Hayden has done the same thing saying that too many people are talking about the bike and tires and not Stoner's skill.

but obvious is obvious. you are aware that the only thing that really separates the bikes now are the tires and the electronics, right? the HP advantage the Duc has is overblown (or are you going to say that that's the reason Stoner is winning?). Rossi passed Stoner with ease at Assen and Pedrosa walked away from everybody at Germany last week. Cataluyna, Rossi and Stoner were neck and neck right to the end so even if the Duc has 5 or 6 or 7 more MPH, the HP advantage isn't deciding the races... it's the tires. everybody's making enough HP to go fast, the issue is getting that power down via rubber.

it's not like Rossi or Pedrosa all of a sudden forgot how to ride. Did you see Melandri catch up and walk away from Rossi and Pedrosa? Stones in the top 3 and by a large margin.

should the riders make up stories to explain their finishing position or just give a normal analysis of what happened? if they're on michelins and they're not working, then that answer to the interview question is "tires". what exactly do you want? the truth or fluff?

the bottom line is that tires will always be a part of post race analysis. even in WSBK with a spec tire, they always factor into the post race analysis... just ask Corser how they factor in or Bayliss after Brno this weekend. tires are a fundamental element of racing. complaining about riders talking about tire quality/endurance makes no sense. if you don't like to hear about how tires affect a race, you should go watch baseball or golf.


GAADAM! +1

You guys are still not facing up,like i said,when Bridgestone came on board in 03 i believe,the Michelin was the dominant tire.Did Rossi say when he was winning title after title that the main reason he won was the tires.But now when the Michelin riders lose,its the tires.They need to shut up and go to work and overcome the problems like Ducati and Bridgestone did.As far as baseball and golf,NAH,they would complain that somebody had a better ball or bat.Its the times we live in,failure is allways someone elses fault.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Jul 24 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]81165[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You guys are still not facing up,like i said,when Bridgestone came on board in 03 i believe,the Michelin was the dominant tire.Did Rossi say when he was winning title after title that the main reason he won was the tires.But now when the Michelin riders lose,its the tires.They need to shut up and go to work and overcome the problems like Ducati and Bridgestone did.As far as baseball and golf,NAH,they would complain that somebody had a better ball or bat.Its the times we live in,failure is allways someone elses fault.


Nobody complains when they are winning! But Tamada did say he was losing because he didn't have Michelins, he was wrong.

Okay, so let's say you go to a one tire company rule. You will still get the odd crappy tire because even tires from one company will still have differences. You see that all the time in WSBK. It's like anything else that is forced to be fair. Everything will sink to the lowest grade. The tires will not progress in development because they don't have to. Then you'll be pissed because everyone is slow and you won't watch.

I say, the tire rule is the best thing that has happened. Suck it up. Do you damn homework and get ready to race. Michelin is losing because they depended on fly-ins to win races. Bridgestone didn't do that they brought what they had and so they adapted to the new rule better because that is what they were doing all along. Michelin will be okay. Rossi will be okay. He may lose the year but no-one is garrentied anything even king Vali.

Oh ya and my team is fast as hell on the Bridgers...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Jul 24 2007, 12:26 PM) [snapback]81165[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You guys are still not facing up,like i said,when Bridgestone came on board in 03 i believe,the Michelin was the dominant tire.Did Rossi say when he was winning title after title that the main reason he won was the tires.
When Bridgestone came on board, none of Rossi's real competitiors were on it. Hence it was not a factor. Tamada had reason to gripe because the bridgestone was not competitive on most of the tracks. He did finish on the podium on atleast one race though (I think it was Brazil)..

Over the past 3 years Bridgestone has become more and more competetive on most tracks. They seemed to have been more prepared for the switch to 800cc. The fact the Ducati started dveloping their bikes much earlier than the others may have been a factor too.

In previous Michlin could make last minute modifications to compounds on saturday and then fly/bus the tire out to track on sunday (for the European races) Bridgestone could not, since their factory was located in japan, there was not enough time. the new rules level the playing field and does not allow either manufacturer to change compounds in the last minute..

Maybe, given that the size of the engine was changing, the tyre rule should not have been changed. This would have allowed the teams to get used to the new engine and then the new tyre rule could have been introduced a year later. Instead of having one new variable in the mix, there are now two and who knows how the two interact. Maybe Ducati were "luckier" than the other teams and just about got it right first time.

I do know one thing though and the actual racing has not been as good this year. Too many races where one bikes just leaves the rest - Laguna Seca, lovely track, boring races!

Steve

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2007, 02:14 PM) [snapback]81145[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's not about Rossi...hell i don't like Pedrobot, but that kid has handed Stoner his ... since the 125s..he can't even stay with'm now...


Pedrosa had superior rides compared to Stoner because of who he was.It was a given that he would end up in Gp with what people thought would be the dominant ride.What goes around,comes around.