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Good news and not just because I dislike Prezioso, it looks like they are serious about the project and giving it some new leadership and other new faces. I know one of the electronics guys was demoted to Pramac also.
 
It was a pretty clear decision as far as Preziosi is concerned. The results of a decade of MotoGP participation show a clear downwards trend post 2007, as we have discussed endlessly, and he has to take responsibility for that.



However, looking at his replacement.. Gobmeier took BMW in WSBK to the level where Ducati have been around 2008-2010 in MotoGP - close to the front, race wins, but still inconsistent performance. And he has no experience in MotoGP whatsoever. Anyone knows if he even speaks Italian?
 
sewarion said:
It was a pretty clear decision as far as Preziosi is concerned. The results of a decade of MotoGP participation show a clear downwards trend post 2007, as we have discussed endlessly, and he has to take responsibility for that.



However, looking at his replacement.. Gobmeier took BMW in WSBK to the level where Ducati have been around 2008-2010 in MotoGP - close to the front, race wins, but still inconsistent performance. And he has no experience in MotoGP whatsoever. Anyone knows if he even speaks Italian?
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Might have been the best bike on the grid, and would have won title had Melandri not gone full ...... the last 2 rounds.
 
povol said:
Might have been the best bike on the grid, and would have won title had Melandri not gone full ...... the last 2 rounds.
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Might have been a complete POS either, look at Haslam's results, in particular in the 2nd half of the season. Maybe Melandri found a way to ride around some of its issues and play it strengths on good days. That's why it reminded me a lot of the GP-Ducati back then. Anyways, Melandri ...... up in the end, but I still doubt that the bike was really that good. (And let's not get started where BMW stand after 4 years of competition, given their huge budget).
 
Gobmeier and his German team took BMW nowhere, results came only after they changed the team almost completely with an experienced team from BMW Italia. Fact.

Thinking that it is enough to put some German at the top is quite simple minded... It is the actual capability of the man that matters, not the nationality.

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It is true that it was time to change the head of Ducati Corse. We'll see if Gobmeier is the right choice. A manager rather than an engineer.

But was it necessary, or is it useful, taking Preziosi out of the loop completely?



On the other hand, Paolo Ciabatti from SBK is certainly good news for the Ducati garage.
 
I highly doubt things will massively improve for them next season, but for some reason I do think that Dovi will generally get better results than Rossi.
 
I have difficulty believing that outsourcing some of the design to Suter is going to result in a bike which can beat Honda and Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha have full engine and chassis development teams with a lot of talent. Does Suter have an equal amount of talent? I doubt it.
 
Suter do one thing - engineer racing projects. That they do it at the highest level of the sport would probably be a pointer that they DO have, if not equal, then more talent.



Eskil Suter isn't some new kid on the block, he's had decades of racing experience and engineering experience related to bike racing.



I'll bet his database is extensive.
 
BJ.C said:
Suter do one thing - engineer racing projects. That they do it at the highest level of the sport would probably be a pointer that they DO have, if not equal, then more talent.



Eskil Suter isn't some new kid on the block, he's had decades of racing experience and engineering experience related to bike racing.



I'll bet his database is extensive.
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I'm sure his database is extensive compared to Kalex, FTR, etc. And he's been around a long time. But I still wonder if he/his organisation has the talent in depth to compete directly against Honda and Yamaha. Just being in motogp isn't enough to show that they have that much talent. Is there any real evidence that they do?



I'm not against Suter in any way, but I wonder if the partnership will provide the necessary skill for Ducati to win championships against Honda and Yamaha. Which given budgets would probably mean out-thinking them.
 
Don't misinterpret Suter's involvement being anything more than just developing the frame. That's all it will be. So in essence Ducati is adding another facet to compete against the Honda and Yamaha.



Their knowledge can only benefit Ducati's learning curve in aluminum frame design
 
HEISMAN said:
Don't misinterpret Suter's involvement being anything more than just developing the frame. That's all it will be. So in essence Ducati is adding another facet to compete against the Honda and Yamaha.



Their knowledge can only benefit Ducati's learning curve in aluminum frame design
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Developing the frame is an awful lot of input. I'm sure that Suter's involvement will benefit Ducati, but my point is whether or not this strategy brings enough talent to the table to match and beat Honda and Yamaha. Beating or matching the best of the best.
 
If it will completely match them I don't know, but what I think will happen is we'll see a faster turnaround in development. Whereas before they riders would get a variation or two of a chassis throughout the who season, I think Suter will be able to design a variety of frames for the riders to test and bring back frame designs in an increased manner than in previous years.



This can only help. IMHO
 

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