What's Wrong with the Ducati?

that actually explains a lot

Kropotkin said:

He has a kid and an ex-girlfriend. I made the mistake of asking if he'd enjoyed the time with his family over the break, and got a terse lecture on his personal situation.

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At least all he has to pay is child support. If he had married the ....., she would have got 50% of everything he had, if Euro laws are anything like here.

Italian child support laws are that both parents have equal say, equal access, equal responsibilities, unless adjudged differently by a court.



She gets nothing.

povol said:

At least all he has to pay is child support. If he had married the ....., she would have got 50% of everything he had, if Euro laws are anything like here.

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50% - luxury!



Come and live in the femocracy of Australia.

You got it sweet!



My wife's folks live in NZ. When I took off to the UK for work, the first time, she buggered off to NZ with the kids so she could complete her degree.





Christmas 2010 we went to NZ to see her side of the family and my daughter, who has moved there and had our first grandkid.



Went through the airport and customs seamlessly, got to the in-laws, normal busy Xmas time.



A couple of days later, my father in law calls me and hands me the phone - it's some bint from NZ tax office telling me I owe them a bill for $24,000!



I hang up.



A few hours later, another, more senior bint rings - apparently NZ big brother got to me through my landing card, where I put the in-laws contact details. She wants to meet up for a chat. My wife is distressed - $24k isn't change and we don't have it on tap. So I go meet the blood-sucker.



It turns out my wife was claiming family allowance in NZ. She's entitled, she's a Kiwi and the kids have triple nationality (NZ, Aus and UK). But she had put down on the form that I had buggered off and left her... not that I was working in the UK/Europe and flying back 4 times year!



So they had me as a deadbeat dad, had added up all the family allowance (only about $1300 in total), then fined me and added interest and the amount, 15 years later, came to $24,000.



I told them to .... off - they told me I wouldn't be able to leave the country till the bill was paid. It went back and forth a few times - like, I would have to go on the NZ dole and my wife on the benefit as I wasn't able to support us. Give me a house and feed my children... all that ......



in the end they said if I paid the $1300, I could go.



So I did... won't be going back in a hurry.

So you got a wanted warrant out for you in NZ eh Zoot! I've been there once and liked it, though Auckland was the only place I didn't feel safe.

No.

Damn, I was hoping for a juicy story

Here, they are entitled to half of the assets, On top of that, they are entitled to around 25% of your income if there are dependent children. No wonder young men are foregoing marriage and having kids.

Dovi is leaving a sat Yamaha for a factory Ducati. What's so strange about it? Most riders would do the same, given the choice.

Crutchlow would have been glad to go to Ducati (and also Guareschi would have been glad to have Cal, btw...).

It seems all these good Tech3 riders wanted a works Ducati after failing to get a works Yamaha.

Stoner left a sat Honda for a factory Ducati in 2007, and didn't regret it (at least not in 2007 for sure).

Melandri did the same and regretted it, though.

Spies could actually be the most promising as a Ducati rider: he's crashing a lot on a Jap bike, just like Stoner in 2006.

J4rn0 said:

Dovi is leaving a sat Yamaha for a factory Ducati. What's so strange about it? Most riders would do the same, given the choice.

Crutchlow would have been glad to go to Ducati (and also Guareschi would have been glad to have Cal, btw...).

It seems all these good Tech3 riders wanted a works Ducati after failing to get a works Yamaha.

Stoner left a sat Honda for a factory Ducati in 2007, and didn't regret it (at least not in 2007 for sure).

Melandri did the same and regretted it, though.

Spies could actually be the most promising as a Ducati rider: he's crashing a lot on a Jap bike, just like Stoner in 2006.

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While i agree with most of what you say i think if Rossi and Hayden who are both world champs in this class cant make this bike work Dovi and Spies have no chance considering neither have come close to a title in moto gp whilst both have been riding the best factory bikes on the grid. I hope im wrong but not holding my breath.

thedeal said:

While i agree with most of what you say i think if Rossi and Hayden who are both world champs in this class cant make this bike work Dovi and Spies have no chance considering neither have come close to a title in moto gp whilst both have been riding the best factory bikes on the grid. I hope im wrong but not holding my breath.

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Yup. My post above was kind of a joke of course, but I also think the Ducati is simply lagging one year or so behind the competition; I strongly disagree with those who indulge in calling it a POS; it has had additional difficulties because of tires and rules that obliged it changing the frame completely, and it still needs time, but I have no doubt it can do much better than now. Ducati is still one of only three manufacturers who have successfully adapted to racing in MotoGP with 21 liters and only 6 engines, an engineering hurdle that has made Suzuki and Kawasaki give up. So the capacity is there and the will (and passion) too. Now they have got even some strong industrial and financial backing, so the possibilities they can improve, even significantly, are very concrete.

J4rn0 said:

Yup. My post above was kind of a joke of course, but I also think the Ducati is simply lagging one year or so behind the competition; I strongly disagree with those who indulge in calling it a POS; it has had additional difficulties because of tires and rules that obliged it changing the frame completely, and it still needs time, but I have no doubt it can do much better than now. Ducati is still one of only three manufacturers who have successfully adapted to racing in MotoGP with 21 liters and only 6 engines, an engineering hurdle that has made Suzuki and Kawasaki give up. So the capacity is there and the will (and passion) too. Now they have got even some strong industrial and financial backing, so the possibilities they can improve, even significantly, are very concrete.

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They have had two years with the so called GOAT and still no results,something is very wrong with that bike,even the designer of it cant get it to work, new frames asked for by Rossi and Burgess and no improvement,i was very sceptical when Rossi said there was a problem in there dna but it looks that way now.Stoner was the exeption to the rule but he and every body else says it under steers badly,now if they couldnt sort it with Rossi and all the money inolved in that two year period then it isnt going to happen any time soon.

The 2 year period is a little deceptive I think. Remember that when he got on it he was injured and even more so he had to absorb the fact that Stoner was winning on it and he couldn't even ride it. I have no doubt this was a massive blow to his confidence. Neither JB or Rossi had ever worked with such a 'prototype' bike so both were completely out of their depth. I think before long they both decided that until it was made into a Jap bike there was nothing they could do and they just waited putting in almost no effort. As soon as the bike was changed to resemble a Jap bike and the optimism immediately wore off they decided that the engine was the problem. Again they waited not putting in any effort. Soon after this Rossi and Ezpeleta decided he was going back to Yamaha so there was no need to put in any effort.



So 2 years has really been 2 years of doing almost nothing to succeed on the bike. Therefore in my opinion you can't assess the potential of the Ducati with hungry riders based on the last 2 years. For Hayden it has simply been a case of being constantly told by the great Rossi and Burgess that the bike is no good.



Next year, Dovi will be hungry because he missed out on the factory Yamaha. Spies will be hungry because of what the factory Yamaha did to him this year and the most interesting rider will be Ianone. Ianone will do what is required and go balls out and importantly he does not know what a Jap bike feels like so will just ride what he's got rather than try to make it into something he has ridden for a decade. As a result of 3 other riders being hungry and just going for it I think Hayden will have his best year on a Ducati.



The Ducati Snr & Jnr teams are probably the only thing of interest to watch next year.

Mental Anarchist said:

The 2 year period is a little deceptive I think. Remember that when he got on it he was injured and even more so he had to absorb the fact that Stoner was winning on it and he couldn't even ride it. I have no doubt this was a massive blow to his confidence. Neither JB or Rossi had ever worked with such a 'prototype' bike so both were completely out of their depth. I think before long they both decided that until it was made into a Jap bike there was nothing they could do and they just waited putting in almost no effort. As soon as the bike was changed to resemble a Jap bike and the optimism immediately wore off they decided that the engine was the problem. Again they waited not putting in any effort. Soon after this Rossi and Ezpeleta decided he was going back to Yamaha so there was no need to put in any effort.



So 2 years has really been 2 years of doing almost nothing to succeed on the bike. Therefore in my opinion you can't assess the potential of the Ducati with hungry riders based on the last 2 years. For Hayden it has simply been a case of being constantly told by the great Rossi and Burgess that the bike is no good.



Next year, Dovi will be hungry because he missed out on the factory Yamaha. Spies will be hungry because of what the factory Yamaha did to him this year and the most interesting rider will be Ianone. Ianone will do what is required and go balls out and importantly he does not know what a Jap bike feels like so will just ride what he's got rather than try to make it into something he has ridden for a decade. As a result of 3 other riders being hungry and just going for it I think Hayden will have his best year on a Ducati.



The Ducati Snr & Jnr teams are probably the only thing of interest to watch next year.

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You may be right there buddy,i hope so.and i also think it will be very entertaining to see what happens.

thedeal said:

They have had two years with the so called GOAT and still no results,something is very wrong with that bike,even the designer of it cant get it to work, new frames asked for by Rossi and Burgess and no improvement,i was very sceptical when Rossi said there was a problem in there dna but it looks that way now.Stoner was the exeption to the rule but he and every body else says it under steers badly,now if they couldnt sort it with Rossi and all the money inolved in that two year period then it isnt going to happen any time soon.

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Rossi was very useful in convincing them that major changes were actually needed, and pointing them in a certain direction. Remember that what put the Desmosedici in serious trouble were the tires and the switch to CF in 2009. Then the 6 engines rule meant that their concept of a fully stressed engine frame was no more workable. Meanwhile, they were left behind in the electronics department as well. Now with the new frame at least they are not losing the front in a silly way any more and can exploit the current tires much better, and change engine position without having to change the engine cases and mount points. They have also implemented (in the current season) the double injectors that allow for the predictive and less invasive kind of TC Honda and Yamaha have been developing already for 2 years. So now I see them lagging behind, for sure, but with no root flaw preventing them from carrying out a normal and positive development of the bike. I understand why an aging Rossi doesn't feel like spending another year or two waiting for gradual improvements and refinements, but Dovi probably couldn't spend the next 2 years in a better way.

J4rn0, any reason why Ducati haven't delivered the softer hitting motor? Wasn't it supposed to be ready by Laguna?

They have delivered an intermediate step, a new engine that is "ready to receive all planned developments" as Preziosi put it. Double injectors are believed to be already present in this new base engine, and they should definitely make it softer in throttle response, when working in conjunction with a completely revised TC. It is this last step - the connection between the new injection system and the upgraded TC - that is probably still in progress.

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Hence the reason Nicky only signed a 1 year contract. Contrary to popular belief he wanted the one year contract not Ducati.