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What's Wrong with the Ducati?

povol
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That has not been decided, the M1 looked just fine Sunday. What the new tire has spoiled is Lorenzo's psyche. He thinks, like most champions, that the regs should somhow favor him, and when they dont, they freak the .... out and whine like a ...... Personally, i think the whole bitchy off season was gamesmanship on his part, and it worked, because Bridgestone is coming with another tire in June. Whatever happened to the tire you tested in winter testing was it for next year.
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That's interesting that the new tires seem to have spoilt the M1 more for Lorenzo than for Rossi... Rossi didn't struggle as much as Jorge, but eventually Lorenzo too found a good solution. THis is the difference between Yamaha and Ducati: give a "wrong" tire to Ducati and you basically are condemning them to redesigning the bike, do the same to Yamaha and they find a setting that compensates for it in two or three weekends' time.
 
J4rn0
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That's interesting that the new tires seem to have spoilt the M1 more for Lorenzo than for Rossi... Rossi didn't struggle as much as Jorge, but eventually Lorenzo too found a good solution. THis is the difference between Yamaha and Ducati: give a "wrong" tire to Ducati and you basically are condemning them to redesigning the bike, do the same to Yamaha and they find a setting that compensates for it in two or three weekends' time.
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Some might say that like in years past, the tire was constructed to enhance one riders style over anothers. The new tire has taken away a little bit of corner speed, and added braking stability. Now ask yourself a question, who wanted more braking stability, and who wants big corner speed.
 
povol
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Some might say that like in years past, the tire was constructed to enhance one riders style over anothers. The new tire has taken away a little bit of corner speed, and added braking stability. Now ask yourself a question, who wanted more braking stability, and who wants big corner speed.
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I can name at least one rider who would agree with you wholeheartedly, and I'm not talking about Lorenzo. 
 
povol
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Some might say that like in years past, the tire was constructed to enhance one riders style over anothers. The new tire has taken away a little bit of corner speed, and added braking stability. Now ask yourself a question, who wanted more braking stability, and who wants big corner speed.
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Marquez? :)


 


But what I really ask myself is, do we need another conspiracy theory?
 
Krop tweeted last night that Bridgestone is bringing the 2013-spec tire to Austin, due to production delays with the 2014 tire. But the 2013 will be available at Austin only; it'll be all 2014 spec for the rest of the year.
 
rezonator636
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Krop tweeted last night that Bridgestone is bringing the 2013-spec tire to Austin, due to production delays with the 2014 tire. But the 2013 will be available at Austin only; it'll be all 2014 spec for the rest of the year.
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How in the hell do you have production delays for a specialty tire that is a minute fraction of your production capability. A company the size of Bridgestone could make a whole years worth of tires for Moto GP in a day. Something about this just doesnt seem right. Oh, and which spec tire   will they use from Argentina on, the spec tire that was supposed to be used for 2014, or the spec tire they were going to introduce in June.
 
povol
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Some might say that like in years past, the tire was constructed to enhance one riders style over anothers. The new tire has taken away a little bit of corner speed, and added braking stability. Now ask yourself a question, who wanted more braking stability, and who wants big corner speed.
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Now ask yourself what looks better on the TV, it isn't always about the riders or some conspiracy, and they got away from the little high corner speed 800's for a reason. They've(Dorna) been moving away from that for some time and even adding weight to the bikes, it's about exciting racing. 
 
It also could be about the show. Rossi- the fading Superstar. Marquez -the heir to his throne. Jorge- the stoic warrior.


I am going full conspiracy on this one. Change of spec tyres during the beginning of the season? what? really?


 


I agree. The production for 2014 tyres was done a long time ago.


 


I suspect a quick order from Dorna was put in.


 


We now have Dorna pulling the strings for the sake of the show. Let's bring back a tyre that Jorge likes.


 


We might have 2014A and B tyres all season. Bring Rossi to the front (and the rest of the field). Now bring Jorge to the front(the field wanes). Let's keep the show going for ratings/viewership and $$$
 
Keep it simple... Bridgestone had to bring back a tire with a harder body to make sure that blistering will not occur again. They do not want to make a special tire just for P.I and a couple of other risky tracks, so they standardized the safe tire for the whole season. Now, this hard tire body that Lorenzo doesn't like never had many fans, just three: Stoner, Ducati and Rossi.  No other rider liked it, and no other manufacturer cared for it. That's why it was discontinued... When Bridgestone began supplying the entire field, they chose to please the majority. They didn't do the right thing then -- supply both types and make both the majority and minority happy! Pity. 


 


Now it seems Bridgestone is giving in partially to Lorenzo's requests inventing a pretext to bring the 2013 spec tires to Austin. I do not believe for a moment there is a real production problem behind that decision. However, they would now have a second chance to be more generous and do the right thing: acknowledge the needs of the field and bring both body types for everybody. Not only to Austin, but to every track.


 


But the contract Dorna signed with them allows them to be miser, so they are. They'll bring either one or the other. Too bad.
 
J4rn0
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Keep it simple... Bridgestone had to bring back a tire with a harder body to make sure that blistering will not occur again. They do not want to make a special tire just for P.I and a couple of other risky tracks, so they standardized the safe tire for the whole season. Now, this hard tire body that Lorenzo doesn't like never had many fans, just three: Stoner, Ducati and Rossi.  No other rider liked it, and no other manufacturer cared for it. That's why it was discontinued... When Bridgestone began supplying the entire field, they chose to please the majority. They didn't do the right thing then -- supply both types and make both the majority and minority happy! Pity. 


 


Now it seems Bridgestone is giving in partially to Lorenzo's requests inventing a pretext to bring the 2013 spec tires to Austin. I do not believe for a moment there is a real production problem behind that decision. However, they would now have a second chance to be more generous and do the right thing: acknowledge the needs of the field and bring both body types for everybody. Not only to Austin, but to every track.


 


But the contract Dorna signed with them allows them to be miser, so they are. They'll bring either one or the other. Too bad.
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Like i said earlier, with 3 of  the first 4 races being so called Honda tracks, and Lorenzo falling 25 points behind at the one track he was expected to gain points,Dorna doesnt want to see tho thing get out of hand early in the season. So, bring in the tires that Lorenzo preferes and hope for the best. Of course that blows the new tires were made for Rossi conspiracy out of the water
 
Tech3 says fuel and tires are shipped way in advance to the fly away rounds. HMMMM


 


The flight cases are then loaded onto specifically assigned planes,

which transport the equipment to the country of the where the racing

event will be held. Once grounded, the flight cases are then immediately

transferred to the circuit via trucks, where they are deposited for the

Tech3 team to unpack when the they arrive. After the racing has

finished, everything is reloaded into the cases and transferred to the

airport before flying back via the freight airplanes to the next flyaway

race.



Other racing products such as race fuel and the tyres, that will be

used by the Monster Yamaha Tech3 Team are distributed to the destination

by sea and are shipped 2 or 3 months in advance for flyaway races. This

kind of organization requires meticulous planning and organisational

skills, but thanks to the professionalism of SEL, the teams’ equipment

arrives at the track ready for the weekend’s world famous racing.


 


 


 


All conspiracy aside, I think Bstone has discovered a flaw in the current tire and need a month or so to fix it and replace the supply.
 
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All conspiracy aside, I think Bstone has discovered a flaw in the current tire and need a month or so to fix it and replace the supply.


 


 


 


 


Where as in the past tyres were able to be specifically produced overnight? There is more to it, I'm not entirely into the conspiracy speculation but your post preceding this makes sense.


 


Edit: stupid quoting mechanism doesn't work.
 
The problem is that the contract signed with Bridgestone leaves them full freedom to supply a miserable choice of tires, which (surprise!)  is what they are doing. More options are needed or some manufacturers and riders will always be left out. A single supplier should have an obligation to satisfy various demands in a reasonable way. The situation as it is stinks... :(
 
It is some time that Ducati is testing these devices attached to the the tail section, identified by some as "mass dampers" (used in F1 years ago before they were forbidden). It could be that they make the rear more stable...?
Note also the valve on the exhaust.
All these are supposed to be Dall'Igna's touches to the 2014 bike, waiting for the really new one.

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