What if the Ducati GP9 dominates in 09?

Hi Guys/Girlies..

Ducati to me are well ahead in Engineering Terms compared to the Japanese Factories, i dont know why but the Japs have dropped the ball big time in Innovation, Engineering, Technolgy as well.
I think the Ducati team have the Smartest people working for them in Motorcycle Racing period that includes World Superbike too. Look at F1 the European Teams dominate now, with all of Hondas power they still cant win, and lets not forget Toyota as well the most powerfull Manufacturer
on the Planet and that doewsnt get them anywhere..

Anyway without getting of track here ppl my question for us here is a simple one.

Q) What will happen if Ducati dominate next year like they did in 07 with the new Carbon Fibre GP9?

Will they ban it? You need to give Ducati credit where credit is due, they have less then half the Budget of Honda/Yamaha, and i wouldnt mind betting that Suzuki has more money to play with, and yet they keep coming up with a winning bike. I only hope that next year if the Ducati does dominate
then its left to everyone else to catch up and they dont get banned from competing with the gp9.
Lets remember that this is a Prototype series, which means its usually the smartest who win. Well lets hope so. Its my opinion that certain tactics were used to put a Temperary holt to Ducati winning
this year, and dont get me wrong im pleased that Valentino won this year, i would use alot of respect for this sport if Tactics are used next year.

Does anyone here know that both Honda and Yamaha played with the idea on a Carbon Fibre Frame
as far back as the Mid 80s, but they couldnt make it work, it must piss them off that Ducati beleive they have Unlocked it and figuired it out..
ROLL ON 2009

^ that's easy. then they will win the championship next year

I have a Lex type theory - I raised the idea and got a “hmmmm interesting” from lex about this – If Ducati were with Michelin and the Japanese manufacturers were with Bridgestone we would have a Europe v Japan motorcycle series.

Europe would have an American rider who is the prince of popularity in the world’s biggest market and the Japanese who spring most of the dollars and influence in motogp would be out in the cold. This is why I believe they went to the control tyre even after Ducati were forced by circumstance (IMO) to opt for Michelin. Just in case Michelin got it together and dominated again (they are capable of it). So the threw the baby out with the bathwater as a bit of an insurance policy against a potentially resurgent Michelin.

If Ducati had success I think what Dorna and Ezy sees is a drying up of Japanese dollars, the Japanese themselves would find it easy to offend European and American sensibilities (you all vote with your wallets) if they kicked up a stink and I think motogp would suffer for it.

Motogp works as a blend of Europe and Japan NOT Europe v Japan. This is IMO part of the reason why the single tyre was considered even AFTER Ducati’s magnanimous offer to go to Michelin.

Instead of a principled and somewhat Jeffersonian approach (governed least = governed best) Ezy is micromanaging the series at present and it would only be a truly miraculous sequence of events that would see another Ducati win. If Ducati did dominate there would be meetings and rule changes and so on.

I’m cheering for the boy's but this series will be like a burnt steak for Casey and Nicki. Hard, tough and the chips are stacked against them.

I'd love to see it though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Guys/Girlies..

Ducati to me are well ahead in Engineering Terms compared to the Japanese Factories, i dont know why but the Japs have dropped the ball big time in Innovation, Engineering, Technolgy as well.
I think the Ducati team have the Smartest people working for them in Motorcycle Racing period that includes World Superbike too. Look at F1 the European Teams dominate now, with all of Hondas power they still cant win, and lets not forget Toyota as well the most powerfull Manufacturer
on the Planet and that doewsnt get them anywhere..

Anyway without getting of track here ppl my question for us here is a simple one.

Q) What will happen if Ducati dominate next year like they did in 07 with the new Carbon Fibre GP9?

Will they ban it? You need to give Ducati credit where credit is due, they have less then half the Budget of Honda/Yamaha, and i wouldnt mind betting that Suzuki has more money to play with, and yet they keep coming up with a winning bike. I only hope that next year if the Ducati does dominate
then its left to everyone else to catch up and they dont get banned from competing with the gp9.
Lets remember that this is a Prototype series, which means its usually the smartest who win. Well lets hope so. Its my opinion that certain tactics were used to put a Temperary holt to Ducati winning
this year, and dont get me wrong im pleased that Valentino won this year, i would use alot of respect for this sport if Tactics are used next year.

Does anyone here know that both Honda and Yamaha played with the idea on a Carbon Fibre Frame
as far back as the Mid 80s, but they couldnt make it work, it must piss them off that Ducati beleive they have Unlocked it and figuired it out..
ROLL ON 2009

Why do you assume Ducati will dominate next year? Wer'nt they supposed to this year?
In the past few seasons they have proved to everyone they have had the fastest bike out there, in a straight line, but the Yamaha for instance is far quicker through the turns.
Its all well and good having a bike that is capable of winning week in week out, but you need arider who can harness this. A point well made by Stoner/Melandri this year.
To be honest, I can see next year being one of the best seasons for a long time, with a lot of close racing between up to half a dozen riders.
As you say...bring on 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Sep 30 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do you assume Ducati will dominate next year? Wer'nt they supposed to this year?
In the past few seasons they have proved to everyone they have had the fastest bike out there, in a straight line, but the Yamaha for instance is far quicker through the turns.
Its all well and good having a bike that is capable of winning week in week out, but you need arider who can harness this. A point well made by Stoner/Melandri this year.
To be honest, I can see next year being one of the best seasons for a long time, with a lot of close racing between up to half a dozen riders.
As you say...bring on 2009

+1 on that mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Guys/Girlies..

Ducati to me are well ahead in Engineering Terms compared to the Japanese Factories, i dont know why but the Japs have dropped the ball big time in Innovation, Engineering, Technolgy as well.
I think the Ducati team have the Smartest people working for them in Motorcycle Racing period that includes World Superbike too. Look at F1 the European Teams dominate now, with all of Hondas power they still cant win, and lets not forget Toyota as well the most powerfull Manufacturer
on the Planet and that doewsnt get them anywhere..

Anyway without getting of track here ppl my question for us here is a simple one.

Q) What will happen if Ducati dominate next year like they did in 07 with the new Carbon Fibre GP9?

Will they ban it? You need to give Ducati credit where credit is due, they have less then half the Budget of Honda/Yamaha, and i wouldnt mind betting that Suzuki has more money to play with, and yet they keep coming up with a winning bike. I only hope that next year if the Ducati does dominate
then its left to everyone else to catch up and they dont get banned from competing with the gp9.
Lets remember that this is a Prototype series, which means its usually the smartest who win. Well lets hope so. Its my opinion that certain tactics were used to put a Temperary holt to Ducati winning
this year, and dont get me wrong im pleased that Valentino won this year, i would use alot of respect for this sport if Tactics are used next year.

Does anyone here know that both Honda and Yamaha played with the idea on a Carbon Fibre Frame
as far back as the Mid 80s, but they couldnt make it work, it must piss them off that Ducati beleive they have Unlocked it and figuired it out..
ROLL ON 2009
It's very hard to tell right now. We're still in 2008 running season, and we have to wait until the winter and pre 09 season test before trying to predict whether GP9 will dominate next season.
I agree with you that Ducati's department (now) is a step ahead of the Japs. But who knows maybe the Japs can bring something next year. Honda for example. If you watched the last race, RC212V(Pedrosa) is capable enough to handle GP8(Stoner) for a couple of laps before Pedrosa showed his "true colors".
Back to the topic, I agree with Jane "they will win next year" and let's hope for a fair play (no more tactics to slow the winner(whoever he is) down).

sorry, but with less than 100 posts....you're not allowed to ask questions, start threads, and or speak less spoken to

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>sorry, but with less than 100 posts....you're not allowed to ask questions, start threads, and or speak less spoken to
...Only you Curve..only you...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 30 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Guys/Girlies..

Ducati to me are well ahead in Engineering Terms compared to the Japanese Factories, i dont know why but the Japs have dropped the ball big time in Innovation, Engineering, Technolgy as well.
I think the Ducati team have the Smartest people working for them in Motorcycle Racing period that includes World Superbike too. Look at F1 the European Teams dominate now, with all of Hondas power they still cant win, and lets not forget Toyota as well the most powerfull Manufacturer
on the Planet and that doewsnt get them anywhere..

Anyway without getting of track here ppl my question for us here is a simple one.

Q) What will happen if Ducati dominate next year like they did in 07 with the new Carbon Fibre GP9?

Will they ban it? You need to give Ducati credit where credit is due, they have less then half the Budget of Honda/Yamaha, and i wouldnt mind betting that Suzuki has more money to play with, and yet they keep coming up with a winning bike. I only hope that next year if the Ducati does dominate
then its left to everyone else to catch up and they dont get banned from competing with the gp9.
Lets remember that this is a Prototype series, which means its usually the smartest who win. Well lets hope so. Its my opinion that certain tactics were used to put a Temperary holt to Ducati winning
this year, and dont get me wrong im pleased that Valentino won this year, i would use alot of respect for this sport if Tactics are used next year.

Does anyone here know that both Honda and Yamaha played with the idea on a Carbon Fibre Frame
as far back as the Mid 80s, but they couldnt make it work, it must piss them off that Ducati beleive they have Unlocked it and figuired it out..
ROLL ON 2009
sure they are, thats why yam won the wc and will win the constructors too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 30 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> sure they are, thats why yam won the wc and will win the constructors too.

they already did rog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Sep 30 2008, 04:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do you assume Ducati will dominate next year? Wer'nt they supposed to this year?
In the past few seasons they have proved to everyone they have had the fastest bike out there, in a straight line, but the Yamaha for instance is far quicker through the turns.
Its all well and good having a bike that is capable of winning week in week out, but you need arider who can harness this. A point well made by Stoner/Melandri this year.
To be honest, I can see next year being one of the best seasons for a long time, with a lot of close racing between up to half a dozen riders.
As you say...bring on 2009

Actually Ducati/Stoner have been fastest pretty much all year, not only in a straight line but all around the track. When you dominate in free practice and qualifying by at least half a second or more it shows how far behind the others really are. What happens come raceday though ? Is it choking by Stoner/Ducati? Does Valentino find that half a second overnight or is he sandbagging? Or a big conspiracy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 30 2008, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> sure they are, thats why yam won the wc and will win the constructors too.
My thoughts exactly Rog. Obviously I have a vested interest in Ducati dominating next year, but I don’t think they have dominated ANY year (yes, even 07)! This notion that Ducati is “dominate” is predicated in the idea that Stoner crushed wins in 07. Without Stoner the rider, Ducati would be worse than Kawasaki. Apart from Loris having one wet race win in 07, and Elias contract time surge and now evaporation, other than that the Ducati has been no where.

So I 'HOPE' Ducati is dominate next year. But I think Yamaha will dominate as they did this year. (Yamaha swept the podium, on different tire brands, and always had a bike on the podium this entire year, that is the definition of domination.

I think we can file this thread under ‘wishful thinking’.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 30 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they already did rog
point and case then, unless stoner27 is saying its all rossi and nothing to do with the bike or tyres

what if stoner doesnt choke in 2009.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> ...Only you Curve..only you...

Gotta keep the noobs in line brother

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta keep the noobs in line brother
You'll scare them away!

About Ducati, well if they improve a lot, and reach the dominance they had last season, then Casey obviously stands a very good chance. Don't think Hayden will be one of the main title contenders, but I would love it if he'd prove me wrong! It'll probably between Rossi, Casey, Jorge and Dani..with Rossi prevailing in the end

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 30 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You'll scare them away!

About Ducati, well if they improve a lot, and reach the dominance they had last season, then Casey obviously stands a very good chance. Don't think Hayden will be one of the main title contenders, but I would love it if he'd prove me wrong! It'll probably between Rossi, Casey, Jorge and Dani..with Rossi prevailing in the end

improve? improve what? choke prevention?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>improve? improve what? choke prevention?
That too! No, but seriously, it's not even that they have to improve a lot, Casey needs to make sure he won't fall off his bikes 3 races in a row. Then he'll be fine, whether that's enough to win the title is another thing though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My thoughts exactly Rog. Obviously I have a vested interest in Ducati dominating next year, but I don’t think they have dominated ANY year (yes, even 07)! This notion that Ducati is “dominate” is predicated in the idea that Stoner crushed wins in 07. Without Stoner the rider, Ducati would be worse than Kawasaki. Apart from Loris having one wet race win in 07, and Elias contract time surge and now evaporation, other than that the Ducati has been no where.

So I 'HOPE' Ducati is dominate next year. But I think Yamaha will dominate as they did this year. (Yamaha swept the podium, on different tire brands, and always had a bike on the podium this entire year, that is the definition of domination.

I think we can file this thread under ‘wishful thinking’.
I agree100%.Ducati hasn't dominated it was/is the riders.2006 they had a very good bike but not the best tires on every track.Yes the 800 has high topspeed and acceleration but it suited one rider.This year,pretty much the same.The pneumo Honda has just about caught up with the Duc.on top speed.I think for 2009 the constructors and team championship is going to be between Yamaha(FIAT) and Honda (Repsol).
On the other hand i think Stoner could be very motivated in a more balanced way and could win the championship.I really hope so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Sep 30 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You'll scare them away!

About Ducati, well if they improve a lot, and reach the dominance they had last season, then Casey obviously stands a very good chance. Don't think Hayden will be one of the main title contenders, but I would love it if he'd prove me wrong! It'll probably between Rossi, Casey, Jorge and Dani..with Rossi prevailing in the end
Yeah Rossi will especially if they give him the tires and everyone else whatever ezy says they get. You might as well watch boxing.