it would be foolish for spies to waste anymore time here in the states. i voted wsbk but where ever he go's he needs to go to the world level NOW!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or how about Shinya going over to HRC, leaving Gresini with Dovizioso and Spies....that will work.
you remind me of a member we had here called antfan, any relation ?
do you really believe hrc would over look dovi for shinya
i dont think puig holds that much sway in hrc
you remind me of a member we had here called antfan, any relation ?
do you really believe hrc would over look dovi for shinya
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 25 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you remind me of a member we had here called antfan, any relation ?
do you really believe hrc would over look dovi for shinya
i dont think puig holds that much sway in hrc
Sure why not? If HRC picks up Dovizioso that would only cause turmoil to their 'main' man, i mean boy, Dani Pedrosa. So why not give Dani another year of full suport as the number 1 rider, and let Doviziozo run the Gresini Honda to get more experience on a better Honda team than he is currently on. Dovizioso is a Honda rider, he's not going anywhere.
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
do you really believe hrc would over look dovi for shinya
Sure why not? If HRC picks up Dovizioso that would only cause turmoil to their 'main' man, i mean boy, Dani Pedrosa. So why not give Dani another year of full suport as the number 1 rider, and let Doviziozo run the Gresini Honda to get more experience on a better Honda team than he is currently on. Dovizioso is a Honda rider, he's not going anywhere.
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure why not? If HRC picks up Dovizioso that would only cause turmoil to their 'main' man, i mean boy, Dani Pedrosa. So why not give Dani another year of full suport as the number 1 rider, and let Doviziozo run the Gresini Honda to get more experience on a better Honda team than he is currently on. Dovizioso is a Honda rider, he's not going anywhere.
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
because shinya is not as good as dovi by a long way thats why not.
hrc might want a new #1 rider, dani has had the goods but not come up with the goods, he does not want the pneumatic he ..... off from tests early. dovi may just be what hrc need to stir up pedro. what do they need shinya for ?
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
because shinya is not as good as dovi by a long way thats why not.
hrc might want a new #1 rider, dani has had the goods but not come up with the goods, he does not want the pneumatic he ..... off from tests early. dovi may just be what hrc need to stir up pedro. what do they need shinya for ?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 25 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know Honda want an American rider but would they really pass over Dovizioso for Spies? I couldn't imagine it happening. Closest scenario I could see would be for Dovi to go to Repsol and Spies getting a factory bike with factory support at the Gresini squad.
That, or the JIR Honda...
That, or the JIR Honda...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure why not? If HRC picks up Dovizioso that would only cause turmoil to their 'main' man, i mean boy, Dani Pedrosa. So why not give Dani another year of full suport as the number 1 rider, and let Doviziozo run the Gresini Honda to get more experience on a better Honda team than he is currently on. Dovizioso is a Honda rider, he's not going anywhere.
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
how about the fact that dovi cant get out of a 2yr contract with JiR Scot unless he is taken up by a factory ride? and coupled with the fact that Takahashi is rumoured to be signed for JiR for 2009, its looking like dovi is on a repsol next year. with takahashi in motogp as well, its also looking like shinya will no longer be the token japanese rider and will have to rely on results to stay in so IMO its adios Shinya...
It might just happen.... look at how Gresini now has a 'factory' spec bike, maybe it's to prepare them for Andrea Dovizioso next year.
how about the fact that dovi cant get out of a 2yr contract with JiR Scot unless he is taken up by a factory ride? and coupled with the fact that Takahashi is rumoured to be signed for JiR for 2009, its looking like dovi is on a repsol next year. with takahashi in motogp as well, its also looking like shinya will no longer be the token japanese rider and will have to rely on results to stay in so IMO its adios Shinya...
I think Spies has a fairly decent chance of getting into motogp because all the factories are very keen on having an American onboard so the backing can be easily found. On the other hand Ben doesn't want to take a satellite ride or a pay cut, which i think is silly. Honestly i think he'll be 2009 WSBK rookie of the year.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 25 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That, or the JIR Honda...
And we all know how well that team has preformed since their inception...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Spies has a fairly decent chance of getting into motogp because all the factories are very keen on having an American onboard so the backing can be easily found. On the other hand Ben doesn't want to take a satellite ride or a pay cut, which i think is silly. Honestly i think he'll be 2009 WSBK rookie of the year.
It's quite the quandary and you've hit it on the head. It's great to have someone you can sell to one of the largest markets in the world, but at what cost? It's a gamble to pay someone in the upper tier of the pay scale when they have very little grand prix experience. It makes more sense to pay those figures to put him on a top ride in a comparable series to where he is now. Unless he can somehow land a factory backed Honda or full factory Ducati GP ride, his best bet is to go to Xerox Ducati and prove himself on a global stage.
And we all know how well that team has preformed since their inception...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Spies has a fairly decent chance of getting into motogp because all the factories are very keen on having an American onboard so the backing can be easily found. On the other hand Ben doesn't want to take a satellite ride or a pay cut, which i think is silly. Honestly i think he'll be 2009 WSBK rookie of the year.
It's quite the quandary and you've hit it on the head. It's great to have someone you can sell to one of the largest markets in the world, but at what cost? It's a gamble to pay someone in the upper tier of the pay scale when they have very little grand prix experience. It makes more sense to pay those figures to put him on a top ride in a comparable series to where he is now. Unless he can somehow land a factory backed Honda or full factory Ducati GP ride, his best bet is to go to Xerox Ducati and prove himself on a global stage.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 26 2008, 06:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how about the fact that dovi cant get out of a 2yr contract with JiR Scot unless he is taken up by a factory ride? and coupled with the fact that Takahashi is rumoured to be signed for JiR for 2009, its looking like dovi is on a repsol next year. with takahashi in motogp as well, its also looking like shinya will no longer be the token japanese rider and will have to rely on results to stay in so IMO its adios Shinya...
Dovi is going to be a factory rider and I think everyone knows and understands how and why. As far as Nakano is concerned if he is testing the new bike guess who is going to get offered a testing job soon. The dude sucks and is an embarrasment to Honda. Just like the Italians will do anything for an Italian to win the japanese will do the same. There is a limit though to how far they will go. I feel that he is at the end of the line and I would bet he will be done either this year or next if he is lucky.
Dovi is going to be a factory rider and I think everyone knows and understands how and why. As far as Nakano is concerned if he is testing the new bike guess who is going to get offered a testing job soon. The dude sucks and is an embarrasment to Honda. Just like the Italians will do anything for an Italian to win the japanese will do the same. There is a limit though to how far they will go. I feel that he is at the end of the line and I would bet he will be done either this year or next if he is lucky.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The dude sucks and is an embarrasment to Honda. Just like the Italians will do anything for an Italian to win the japanese will do the same. There is a limit though to how far they will go. I feel that he is at the end of the line and I would bet he will be done either this year or next if he is lucky.
With 1 less point than Nicky Hayden I think he's doing an okay job on an old bike and an underdeveloped bike/tyre package.
With 1 less point than Nicky Hayden I think he's doing an okay job on an old bike and an underdeveloped bike/tyre package.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With 1 less point than Nicky Hayden I think he's doing an okay job on an old bike and an underdeveloped bike/tyre package.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut in a deep forrest. LOL He may be 1 point behind but at least Hayden can ride a bike to a title. What does shinya have? Like 1 podium. The dude blows and should be replaced if their team ever wants to have a chance at all.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut in a deep forrest. LOL He may be 1 point behind but at least Hayden can ride a bike to a title. What does shinya have? Like 1 podium. The dude blows and should be replaced if their team ever wants to have a chance at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even a blind squirrel finds a nut in a deep forrest. LOL He may be 1 point behind but at least Hayden can ride a bike to a title. What does shinya have? Like 1 podium. The dude blows and should be replaced if their team ever wants to have a chance at all.
Nicky can only ride the bike to 4th place (same as you know who), he rode to a title 3 years ago and on a different bike.
Nicky can only ride the bike to 4th place (same as you know who), he rode to a title 3 years ago and on a different bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky can only ride the bike to 4th place (same as you know who), he rode to a title 3 years ago and on a different bike.
Understood and I am not saying Nicky is the greatest here. HE is better than Nakano and that is all I am saying. His record proves it however you want to slice it.
Understood and I am not saying Nicky is the greatest here. HE is better than Nakano and that is all I am saying. His record proves it however you want to slice it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Understood and I am not saying Nicky is the greatest here. HE is better than Nakano and that is all I am saying. His record proves it however you want to slice it.
I would say he is better than Nakano too, although only marginally so this season. My point is not to drag Nicky down, but to point out that a rider who you feel should be exiled fromt he championship is performing as well as a rider you believe should be on factory kit with #1 status.
I would say he is better than Nakano too, although only marginally so this season. My point is not to drag Nicky down, but to point out that a rider who you feel should be exiled fromt he championship is performing as well as a rider you believe should be on factory kit with #1 status.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Understood and I am not saying Nicky is the greatest here. HE is better than Nakano and that is all I am saying. His record proves it however you want to slice it.
Nakano is doing a better job than Nicky this season... thats just the cold hard truth.
Nakano is doing a better job than Nicky this season... thats just the cold hard truth.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would say he is better than Nakano too, although only marginally so this season. My point is not to drag Nicky down, but to point out that a rider who you feel should be exiled fromt he championship is performing as well as a rider you believe should be on factory kit with #1 status.
Right on and I get what your trying to say. I am saying over the course of both their careers Nicky has performend better and therefor deserves his place. Nakano is only doing better this year but that is the big thing in his career so far. In my book it's not enough and with all this talk of rider changes and west being on the chopping block with basicly at this point that equates to one year in moto gp I think it is warrented that Nakano should go he had his many chances.
Right on and I get what your trying to say. I am saying over the course of both their careers Nicky has performend better and therefor deserves his place. Nakano is only doing better this year but that is the big thing in his career so far. In my book it's not enough and with all this talk of rider changes and west being on the chopping block with basicly at this point that equates to one year in moto gp I think it is warrented that Nakano should go he had his many chances.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right on and I get what your trying to say. I am saying over the course of both their careers Nicky has performend better and therefor deserves his place. Nakano is only doing better this year but that is the big thing in his career so far. In my book it's not enough and with all this talk of rider changes and west being on the chopping block with basicly at this point that equates to one year in moto gp I think it is warrented that Nakano should go he had his many chances.
Come on...we all know Nicky's success was in due in large part to Honda's performance, not so much his. While Nakano on the other hand, never had full factory support and rode on ...... bikes, yet he was able to get better than expected results from it. Not only that, he always had the upper hand on all his teammates, now that says something doesn't it? Yeah....he only lost to champion Olivier Jacque in 250cc who had much more years and experience than Nakano, yet in only his second year Nakano was championship runner up racking up 5 wins in the process. Not too shabby i'd say.
Come on...we all know Nicky's success was in due in large part to Honda's performance, not so much his. While Nakano on the other hand, never had full factory support and rode on ...... bikes, yet he was able to get better than expected results from it. Not only that, he always had the upper hand on all his teammates, now that says something doesn't it? Yeah....he only lost to champion Olivier Jacque in 250cc who had much more years and experience than Nakano, yet in only his second year Nakano was championship runner up racking up 5 wins in the process. Not too shabby i'd say.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on...we all know Nicky's success was in due in large part to Honda's performance, not so much his. While Nakano on the other hand, never had full factory support and rode on ...... bikes, yet he was able to get better than expected results from it. Not only that, he always had the upper hand on all his teammates, now that says something doesn't it? Yeah....he only lost to champion Olivier Jacque in 250cc who had much more years and experience than Nakano, yet in only his second year Nakano was championship runner up racking up 5 wins in the process. Not too shabby i'd say.
Hey he is in MOTO GP so you can't be shabby. I just think with all the talk of up and commers it's time for him to go.
Hey he is in MOTO GP so you can't be shabby. I just think with all the talk of up and commers it's time for him to go.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 26 2008, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think with all the talk of up and commers it's time for him to go.
I look at all the other potential Japanese riders, and I have a hard time picking someone that can replace Nakano. Takahashi? All the talk about how he is on an inferior Honda, yet last year Dovi on the "inferior" Honda managed to pull off 2nd place in the 250 championship, while Takahashi was 11th. This year is not much better, he is currently 8th. Hardly deserving of a Moto GP ride based on performance. Ayoama has performed only slightly better. Haga certainly isn't going to come back to Moto GP. Kiyonari has potential as a Japanese rider in Moto GP, but doubtful he will leave WSBK. Basically, if you look at it, if there really is such a thing as "there has to be at least one Japanese rider in Moto GP", then Nakano has to stay.
I look at all the other potential Japanese riders, and I have a hard time picking someone that can replace Nakano. Takahashi? All the talk about how he is on an inferior Honda, yet last year Dovi on the "inferior" Honda managed to pull off 2nd place in the 250 championship, while Takahashi was 11th. This year is not much better, he is currently 8th. Hardly deserving of a Moto GP ride based on performance. Ayoama has performed only slightly better. Haga certainly isn't going to come back to Moto GP. Kiyonari has potential as a Japanese rider in Moto GP, but doubtful he will leave WSBK. Basically, if you look at it, if there really is such a thing as "there has to be at least one Japanese rider in Moto GP", then Nakano has to stay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nakano is doing a better job than Nicky this season... thats just the cold hard truth.
how do you figure that andrew ? nicky has 1 more point than nakano so nicky is doing slightly better than nakano and thats the cold hard truth !
how do you figure that andrew ? nicky has 1 more point than nakano so nicky is doing slightly better than nakano and thats the cold hard truth !
