Valentino's appeal denied!

Yes, before Sepang I had hoped for a front row fight to the death between the two protagonists. However, after Rossi CHEATED at Sepang he doesn't deserve the title. I'm sure if it comes to it JL and MM would battle hard just like they did in PI 2013, Mugello 2014, Silverstone 2013/2014 but I expect JL will be wise enough to not wind MM up before the meeting by making accusations and generally insulting him.[/QUOTE]

So you don't hope for it or you do?

or maybe just race him as hard as in PI??? i'm not sure what you mean.
(and by PI I mean throw it in hard for a bunch of laps then pull the pin on the last and beat him by over 1 second.)

fairandsquare said:

Well it is clear that on this thread, no one is being objective - so we have:

(1) VR gets a penalty point for slowing JL even though JL was on pole that time, and that is FAIR? Shows how Yamaha is biased towards JL

(2) VR gets penalty with MM going SCOTT FREE after deliberately running into VR multiple times, and that is FAIR?

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{1} To start with, how in the hell does RD giving Rossi a penalty point have anything whatsoever to do with Yamaha favoring Lorenzo. It doesnt. Just goes to show how the mind of a Rossi fan works, or should we say, doesnt work.

{2} Again, this is not a Rossi circle jerk forum like you are used to, mindless drivel will not be excused.

Poor Soul he'll be ok though SNS Will be back ? for him to win it

Very surprised here

But that validates Race Control which is very good for them

Oh for the tears of Yellow

Starting from the back of the grid isn't much of a penalty for a factory bike. If they made him start from the back on the Aprilia.. that would be another story.

moto vudu said:

Starting from the back of the grid isn't much of a penalty for a factory bike. If they made him start from the back on the Aprilia.. that would be another story.

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Does he make top 10? Top 8? Top 6?

WVMotoGP99 said:

Does he make top 10? Top 8? Top 6?

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I expect to see him make it to 4th or 5th (depending on how well Dovi rides). Look at the typical gap at the finish from the factory bikes to the satellite bikes this year. I'm seeing an average of 8-10 seconds which reflects a massive difference in speed. The only way Rossi doesn't make up it up to 4th is if he gets caught up in an incident while making his way through the grid. If that happens, so be it... that's just a risk he has to accept. Jorge will face risks as well.

steeeeeve said:

Do you not hope for this? Would be exciting do you not agree? And might shut some people up. But if he rolls over like a dog for the 3rd race in a row. Well. Folks might keep talking.

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Yeah why not? JLo played with MM and DP in Valencia in '13. That was good to watch, I enjoyed it at least. But have you noticed any races this year where MM has crashed trying to keep up with Lorenzo in the early laps? Kropo has a whole theory the RCV is .... based on it. Another theory could be Lorenzo is currently the quickest rider out there, at least in the early laps. So perhaps MM wont be able to play with Lorenzo and will have to settle with waiting for Rossi.

steeeeeve said:

Do you not hope for this? Would be exciting do you not agree? And might shut some people up. But if he rolls over like a dog for the 3rd race in a row. Well. Folks might keep talking.

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Yes, he very definitely rolled over like a dog at PI, a race he won with his well credentialed HRC team-mate Dani Pedrosa over 5 seconds away in 5th. I could well argue that you and Valentino should have acclaimed MM for his PI performance, given that pulling out that heroic last lap to win the race saved 5 points of Valentino's lead.

That lap was actually 0.3 odd seconds faster than his previous lap, as JL's last lap was slower than his penultimate lap by a similar margin, btw. He caught up more than 0.4 seconds on the last lap at Assen, also btw, despite VR looking to have the superior pace all race previously.

michaelm said:

Yes, he very definitely rolled over like a dog at PI, a race he won with his well credentialed HRC team-mate Dani Pedrosa over 5 seconds away in 5th. I could well argue that you and Valentino should have acclaimed MM for his PI performance, given that pulling out that heroic last lap to win the race saved 5 points of Valentino's lead.

That lap was actually 0.3 odd seconds faster than his previous lap, as JL's last lap was slower than his penultimate lap by a similar margin, btw. He caught up more than 0.4 seconds on the last lap at Assen, also btw, despite VR looking to have the superior pace all race previously.

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So that's a yes?

steeeeeve said:

So that's a yes?

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Yeah, no.

I think my meaning was clear.

The Sepang race is a separate issue; you guys are entitled to dislike MM all you like if you didn't like how he conducted the race, always assuming he had superior pace and was holding up Valentino as you suppose, in which case running him off the track would have served no purpose since he would have caught Valentino again.

It remains ridiculous to suggest that a guy who beat a team-mate like Dani Pedrosa by 5 seconds, and hence rode at a pace at which anyone else would likely have fallen off, to win a race was somehow obliged or should have been forced to ride any harder than he did.

sorry guys. I was away on vacation when stuff got more crazy around here.
All I'm saying is that I hope MM puts a minimum of 37 HARD (but clean) passes on Jlo during the last race of the season. Isn't that what we all want?

fairandsquare said:

Well it is clear that on this thread, no one is being objective - so we have:

(1) VR gets a penalty point for slowing JL even though JL was on pole that time, and that is FAIR? Shows how Yamaha is biased towards JL

(2) VR gets penalty with MM going SCOTT FREE after deliberately running into VR multiple times, and that is FAIR?

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Oh the irony ..........

moto vudu said:

Starting from the back of the grid isn't much of a penalty for a factory bike. If they made him start from the back on the Aprilia.. that would be another story.

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Exactly what I have been saying since day one as the gloom and doom merchants plied their trade in this and other forums ............. he is STILL LEADING the points tally and as such still hast he upper hand. It is HE that is in control of HIS destiny and whilst the control has lessened with the ruling, he is not on an IODA (poor Brookesy)

As such he will comfortably be in the top 10 by half way, from there it becomes a race between he and Lorenzo as afterall, that is who he is racing, nobody else.

We shall only see Lorenzo displayed on Rossi's pit board - no other

Iowegian said:

CAS just announced. Will make for an interesting race!

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Seriously the race just got killed. Nothing interesting anymore.

For Rossi ; What he say was indeed happening. Marc finally helped Lorenzo to be World Champion. Rossi will ride for his life and try his Best as a rider but he himself know World Champion was taken from him as he no longer stand a chance. Not in MotoGP for sure.

Lorenzo : He will give you sad face and laughing all the way before the race start. No need struggle but just need 4th or even 5th will do the job. He will be remember as a 2015 World Champion given by FIM with his best friend Marc assist. His party have to make sure invite Marc.

Marc : No more racing with Rossi anymore. Just go for a gold or silver medal is ok. Only Pedrosa will fight him off only. He is already a happy MAN. What he felt Rossi has done to him in all those races and crashes was dealt with as far as he concern. He will be the MAN to be remember as DOWNFALL of ROSSI No 10.

Valencia will never be the same and never be last race.

I wish other biker will give way to Rossi and move up fast to content for World Championship. This is the only way to make the race better. And I believe is a tribute to a MAN who once a 9 times world champion which I think he deserve it. Not like some ... who say he cheated for Decade and blame all FIM are blind and ....

YAMAHA ! If they just take the bullet mean, they really useless. NO ability to protect a rider. For me I will boycout the last race take out both rider and piss FIM off. Although not the right thing to do.

steeeeeve said:

sorry guys. I was away on vacation when stuff got more crazy around here.
All I'm saying is that I hope MM puts a minimum of 37 HARD (but clean) passes on Jlo during the last race of the season. Isn't that what we all want?

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37 passes? Nah .... He will ask Lorenzo before race, where will be the PARTY tonight. He want at least a dozen ..... to ... with. I bet Valencia will be Pedro 1st, Lorenzo 2nd and Marc 3rd. Rossi likely to hit 6th or 5th the best. so max he get 11 points.

Lorenzo with 2nd enough to win World Champion.

Gaz said:

Oh the irony ..........

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James Lai said:

Seriously the race just got killed. Nothing interesting anymore

YAMAHA ! If they just take the bullet mean, they really useless. NO ability to protect a rider. For me I will boycout the last race take out both rider and piss FIM off. Although not the right thing to do.

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I would bet my life you WILL be watching

I hope Marc listens to the Rossi fans and just moves out of Lorenzo’s way. Its the right thing to do. You know, because it's just wrong to race contenders, its an unwritten rule!

jmmk said:

I would bet my life you WILL be watching

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I wish I got to watch but too bad. Real life on call unless I want to wake up my GIANT called "WIFE" :cry:

James Lai said:

I wish I got to watch but too bad. Real life on call unless I want to wake up my GIANT called "WIFE" :cry:

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LOL