Joined May 2009
6K Posts | 4K+
Shovel's Club
Joined Feb 2009
3K Posts | 2+
siebenbürgen süße heimat!
hm,even if they stay ,a lot of people including their only rider have left.
maybe its better for them to save some face and instead put together a full on 3 bike factory effort in wsbk ...why not let hopper and de puniet join camier?
maybe its better for them to save some face and instead put together a full on 3 bike factory effort in wsbk ...why not let hopper and de puniet join camier?
Joined Jun 2006
2K Posts | 20+
south wales UK
dont be an .......
just the honda mate... it was dominant before stoner even rode the thing, if dani wasnt so unlucky then he would get a chance at the title.
im just going by the times posted today nowt to do with stoner...and i wasnt happy when rossi was winning everything, you can go back and check my posts i dont like anyone riding off into the distance. be it stoner or rossi, pedro, lorenzo its fkin boring.
i want to see a few bikes in the mix isnt that what everyone wants and surely its why they keep changing the rules so races anctually have some RACING.
if rossi won every race next season i can imagine some would love it but for me i wouldnt be happy in the slightest
Joined Apr 2011
1K Posts | 87+
Pangea
The new twin spar alloy frame doesnt seemed to have solved any of the major issues they were having with the GP11.46.xxx - it may be a few tenths a lap better but not the magic bullet they were hoping for and the major problems with rear pumping, mid corner speed and corner entry remain. Front end "might" be a slight improvement.
They have a few months to get their act together but considering they have done nothing in a full year with the development gods at the helm I remain skeptical that they can improve enough to be regularly competitive next season. Ducati PR spin is out in force yet again and the comments from Rossi seem to have that familiar ring about them - he is in for another long season I would think. He should buy his way out of the Ducati contract (its not like he is short of a quid) and take his sponsorship dollars to Suzuki and help get them competitive as I believe they have a bike with better winning potential. Ducati are reaping what they sowed with their shabby treatment of Stoner.
The other teams need to counter Hondas corner exit acceleration advantage if they wish to be competitive next year....initial lap times seem to suggest we will be in for more of the same next season.....the change of formula will change sweet .... all except some riders may be slightly better off and others disadvantaged.
Aliens will still rule and Alpha Alien will probably continue to make life miserable for those fans who rely on "personality" or "character" to enjoy the sport.
They have a few months to get their act together but considering they have done nothing in a full year with the development gods at the helm I remain skeptical that they can improve enough to be regularly competitive next season. Ducati PR spin is out in force yet again and the comments from Rossi seem to have that familiar ring about them - he is in for another long season I would think. He should buy his way out of the Ducati contract (its not like he is short of a quid) and take his sponsorship dollars to Suzuki and help get them competitive as I believe they have a bike with better winning potential. Ducati are reaping what they sowed with their shabby treatment of Stoner.
The other teams need to counter Hondas corner exit acceleration advantage if they wish to be competitive next year....initial lap times seem to suggest we will be in for more of the same next season.....the change of formula will change sweet .... all except some riders may be slightly better off and others disadvantaged.
Aliens will still rule and Alpha Alien will probably continue to make life miserable for those fans who rely on "personality" or "character" to enjoy the sport.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Now I'm angry at Bautista. Damn Alvaro. Overrated rider with more DNFs than the Greek debt.
Which reminds me, Randy DePuniet said he was surprised at the potential of the SuzukiGP and added, the front end is incredible. Makes me wonder just how good Alvaro is considering all his .... ups.
EDIT: to tone down my anger. But still.. ....... Alvaro.
I'm sure anything feels incredible after the Duc, but seriously I hope Suzuki can stay around and have some good results.
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
It wasn't designed to solve any problems, the chassis was designed so that the bike would retain it's same characteristics. This has to be the final nail in the Ducs coffin. Time for a redesign and to get some weight on that front wheel. The only thing the chassis proved is that the basic design, geometry, and balance are no good. This chassis only verified everything. I'm not sure they'll be able to fix anything in time for the season but they have a ton of work to do and little time.
Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
If it wasnt designed to solve any problems then why bother?
I understand what you are implying though....that it is a benchmark project to test wether the materials as well as the actual chassis design are making a fundamental difference and guage performance relative to the current CF chassis.
I agree entirely with the rest of your post - the bike has fundamental geometry design issues...meaning they are far further behind than just requiring an alloy twin spar chassis update. They need to start from scratch and lay everything on the table....engine redesign, chassis redesign etc etc. This will take either a thousand "lucky guesses" or a lot of time. Which scenario is the more likely?
I found the contradiction in Rossi and Hector Barbara's comments to be curious. Barbara loved the feel of the front end yet Rossi said it wasn't much of an improvement. I guess Barbara probably didn't have the same bike at the end of the season as Rossi so he had a lot more improvement to make. Still his times were still slow so it's not good enough at this time.
It's a shame for Hayden that he can't ride as they need all the testing results they can get and Hayden has done better than most on that bike.
Surely Honda won't notice if one of their bikes goes missing, gets painted red and appears next year with a Ducati sticker on it...
It's a shame for Hayden that he can't ride as they need all the testing results they can get and Hayden has done better than most on that bike.
Surely Honda won't notice if one of their bikes goes missing, gets painted red and appears next year with a Ducati sticker on it...
I believe the strategy they're going to use is to make small changes until they get Rossi comfortable on the bike. The balance and his riding position will probably be the first things to get worked on. I like what they're doing and I think the only thing that is gonna limit them is how quickly they can make adjustments, that big engine layout would worry me, but I really don't think it's gonna take long to find the next 5-8 tenths now that they'll be able to move things around within the frame. From what I've been reading around twitter JB seems to be happy so they must have a definite strategy in place with no more interference from the marketing dept. It seems like they"re 100% committed to building what is needed now instead of trying to force Ducati "DNA" to work.
This doesn't have much to do with GP but I really like the direction Ducati is going with it's sport bikes, you aren't just getting the name and pretty styling anymore. The new 1199 is a work of art with some real GP innovation in it. I have to say I'm really impressed and that is one bike that I would love to own.
Hawk, I am sure you mean "getting Rossi, Hayden, Abraham and Barbara comfortable on the bike" don't you? Or are you admitting that it is all just for Rossi and the others are just testers to make Rossi comfortable?
I hope for the Rossi fans sack that they are aiming at getting more then just 5-8 tenths as currently they are double that behind and Honda are saying that they have a long way to go. I would suggest that Ducati need 2 - 2.5 seconds improvement on a standard lap if they are going to be competitive.
How dare that marketing department get in the way. After all Ducati is not a commercial enterprise that is not trying to sell motorcycles are they. Really the only purpose for Ducati's existence is to make sure that Rossi is happy, doesn't have to change anything at all in regards to how he rides a bike or risk getting hurt.
I hope for the Rossi fans sack that they are aiming at getting more then just 5-8 tenths as currently they are double that behind and Honda are saying that they have a long way to go. I would suggest that Ducati need 2 - 2.5 seconds improvement on a standard lap if they are going to be competitive.
How dare that marketing department get in the way. After all Ducati is not a commercial enterprise that is not trying to sell motorcycles are they. Really the only purpose for Ducati's existence is to make sure that Rossi is happy, doesn't have to change anything at all in regards to how he rides a bike or risk getting hurt.
On the lighter side of things... Has anybody seen the post Rizla test interview on motgp.com with RDP as Ms Vickers is in the background cleaning his helmet? Man that guy scored bigtime.
can somebody post a link to the live timing for the test that is on now (if there is one)... i can only seem to find that small window on the home page of motogp.com... any other up to date timing?
i dont blame alvaro his stock dropped after RDP's performace on the suzuki yesterday.... he had to take the deal otherwise who knows RDP may of been signed instead.
