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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 3 2006, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe so! but Rossi a brakes and corner rider anyway. The bike was probably better suited to him.

What are the riders that are not brakes and corner riders?

If you find the perfekt braking point and carry maximum speed through the corner including powering out of it, what more is there in Road Racing?
Anyone that is not a brakes and corner rider surly can't be in MGP? Maybe they should go for dragracing instead?

I'd also like to know what you ment about being better suited.
Was the Yamaha better than the Honda for Rossi or was the Yamaha better for Rossi than the dosen of other riders on it since it came out?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jul 30 2006, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes Mr smart ..., Yamaha's have better cornering than other bikes, everyone knows that. And are you trying to say that Doohans competiton wasn't as great as Rossi's? because that would be quite stupid! I guess you didn't get the point of my posts, let me make things clear, Rossi may be the greatest but to compare him to others is wrong when you dont take certain things into consideration. And IMO the bikes haven't changed dramatically, not the same way F1 cars have changed anf If anything the bikes of yesturday were alot more difficult to ride. All the electronics makes things easier today.
Probably! but why would they need to if all you have to do is qualify better?
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If the bikes were even a third as vicious as the 500cc bikes then we wouldnt even be talking about Dani, or stoner for that matter!
I would like to see dani ride a 500 MX bike never mind a NSR.
Rossi s hype is due to the fact he is the best, and he is the coolest!
I said it before and i ll say it again if it was not for Rossi, we would be all posting on SBK sites.
Theres only one person i ve seen put in the sheer determination as rossi on final laps, and thats colin edwards. His performance at Assen should keep him in GPs for years! I love the win it or bin it style! Come back Xaus all is forgiven.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jul 28 2006, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets take Federer for example, people call him the greatest ever but could you really argue that he isn't? Lets face it, the guy has single handedly forced every else to play almost perfect tennis. When the new kids like Hewitt and Roddick entered the stage, they seemed to bring over a new era of Tennis where you had to be much more powerful but also a specialist in all areas and Federer pisses all over them. True, until Nadal left the kindergarten and was shown a racket and a tennis ball. Which takes me back to Rossi and the topic of his lack of competitors. Mike Doohan said that Rossi is better than he was (he said that by the time he announced his wedding, so we might take that with a pinch of salt and put it down to a panic crisis and the strain the guy was inflicting to his life) and Schwantz said he hoped he had Rossi's brains.
 
This point on Rossi being over rated is kind of interesting. The biggest thing he did IMO was make the switch to Yamaha. Apart from Sete he's had no real consistent rival so to be honest he has won his titles with relative ease. Why is it different this year? I believe there is a reason for everything, nothing 'just happens', no such thing as luck. I reckon Yamaha and VR are under a bit of pressure this year hence the engine failures, unusual amount of tyre problems, all symptoms ( apart from the one time Michelin apologised for supplying sub standard product ) of a team pushing very very hard. Between now and the end of the year will be great entertainment for sure, we at last have a couple of candidates for the currently vacant position of consistent rival to Mr Rossi. We'll find out soon enough if VR is indeed over rated.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 7 2006, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are the riders that are not brakes and corner riders?

If you find the perfekt braking point and carry maximum speed through the corner including powering out of it, what more is there in Road Racing?
Anyone that is not a brakes and corner rider surly can't be in MGP? Maybe they should go for dragracing instead?

I'd also like to know what you ment about being better suited.
Was the Yamaha better than the Honda for Rossi or was the Yamaha better for Rossi than the dosen of other riders on it since it came out?

Everyone knows that Rossi makes most of his time through the corners and through braking, I dont know if you race or not but not everyone corners like you stated in your post. Some people brake earlier so that they can take maximum speed through the corner, some people brake almost half way through the corner and then hope to be able to lift the bike up and get better acceleration. We have all seen on many occasion were Rossi has closed down people so dramatically through being able not to run wide were other riders would normally run of the track. This is what makes Rossi so special on a bike, the ability to brake a hell of a lot later than any other rider, whilst being able to make an advantage of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Aug 7 2006, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the bikes were even a third as vicious as the 500cc bikes then we wouldnt even be talking about Dani, or stoner for that matter!
I would like to see dani ride a 500 MX bike never mind a NSR.
Rossi s hype is due to the fact he is the best, and he is the coolest!
I said it before and i ll say it again if it was not for Rossi, we would be all posting on SBK sites.
Theres only one person i ve seen put in the sheer determination as rossi on final laps, and thats colin edwards. His performance at Assen should keep him in GPs for years! I love the win it or bin it style! Come back Xaus all is forgiven.

What kind of logic is that? people already wrote Dani off because of his size but he's still here isn't he? Dani would handle a 500 just fine. I even think he would be better suited to it actually. His size disadvantage means that he's not able to muscle the bike so he has to let it glide through corner instead of the usual grab the bull by its horns and force it approach. And its not like Dani's the smallest ever! Loris handled it just fine and he's roughly the same size as dani. And I think you forget that Motocycle racing is better suited to smaller people anyway. And what do you mean If it wasn't for Rossi, we'd all be watching SBK? FYI Rossi winning everything has forced me to watch SBK in the first place. This is the first season that I'v been able to watch a full season of Motogp with the same enjoyment and thrill since the 2001 season, like it or not Rossi's dominance has made things predictable and boring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 7 2006, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True, until Nadal left the kindergarten and was shown a racket and a tennis ball. Which takes me back to Rossi and the topic of his lack of competitors. Mike Doohan said that Rossi is better than he was (he said that by the time he announced his wedding, so we might take that with a pinch of salt and put it down to a panic crisis and the strain the guy was inflicting to his life) and Schwantz said he hoped he had Rossi's brains.

To be honest every legend of every sport always say things like that, its called modesty. If I had a penny for everytime someone like Maradona or Pele said "Robinho is the next Pele" or "Messi will be greater than me" I'd be able to buy out Microsoft. IMO if there was ever a race between Rossi and Doohan, Rossi would lose. He would brake to late and run wide or something else, but thats only my opinion. And Nadal's still not an all round court player yet, he's just mastering grass but is still mediocre on hard.
 
Nadal beat the crap out of Federer at Dubai final this year ON HARD SURFACE, so if he is mediocre, what does that make Federer? less than mediocre??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Aug 7 2006, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi s hype is due to the fact he is the best, and he is the coolest!
I'll disagree with that statement. Does the name Ben Bostrom ring any bells? Coolest motorcycle racer of the modern era.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ([email protected] @ Jul 24 2006, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>have you ever taken into account these few facts...
1)put rossi and <u>anyother</u> rider on the same bike....rossi would blow them away

2) without rossi's obsene luk this year <u>(DUE TO HIS BIKE)</u> who would be leading the championship....????
and in referrence to rossi being an overstated rider....just take a little look back in the history books of all his accomplishments, then take a look at the other 'under-rated' riders books.....and there is yous answer....

to say tht rossi is an over rater rider...is a big old pile of ....


THANK YOU! I cant believe people r saying rossi is overrated! Valentino is clearly the best rider out there hes missed out on around 100 points due to problems and hes 50 points behind the leader?????? On a poorer quality bike! Who else out there cud do that!

Its about time hayden did soemthn hes been on tht bike since 2003 look at wot rossi has achieved in the time sicne he left honda to go to yamaha. People are so quick to say rossis reign is over no matter how many times he proves himself and his greatness such as by winnign at welcom first time out in 04 people still knock him down its ridiculous .
Where the hell is edwards????? Look at wot rossi did at donnington with a broken wrist and foot he puts the other riders to shame

Also, previous moto gp legends and bike racers have all bowed down to valentino and said make the most of him while hes here cos its magic ....but yeh .....i suppose they dont kno wot theyre tlkin about
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Aug 8 2006, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll disagree with that statement. Does the name Ben Bostrom ring any bells? Coolest motorcycle racer of the modern era.

agreed
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Aug 7 2006, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nadal beat the crap out of Federer at Dubai final this year ON HARD SURFACE, so if he is mediocre, what does that make Federer? less than mediocre??

Huh!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Aug 7 2006, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>THANK YOU! I cant believe people r saying rossi is overrated! Valentino is clearly the best rider out there hes missed out on around 100 points due to problems and hes 50 points behind the leader?????? On a poorer quality bike! Who else out there cud do that!

Its about time hayden did soemthn hes been on tht bike since 2003 look at wot rossi has achieved in the time sicne he left honda to go to yamaha. People are so quick to say rossis reign is over no matter how many times he proves himself and his greatness such as by winnign at welcom first time out in 04 people still knock him down its ridiculous .
Where the hell is edwards????? Look at wot rossi did at donnington with a broken wrist and foot he puts the other riders to shame

Also, previous moto gp legends and bike racers have all bowed down to valentino and said make the most of him while hes here cos its magic ....but yeh .....i suppose they dont kno wot theyre tlkin about
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Oh please! Its a hell of alot more complex than that. What your saying is Hayden, Melandri and Pedrosa are all crap and the only reason they won is because Rossi's oh so crappy bike, which is somehow quicker on the straights has let him down. Like its been said by many other forum members, .... happens to riders! it hasn't happened to Rossi before but his due bad luck has caught up to him. And what do you mean by Rossi had a broken foot and wrist? I never knew that, actually I think it was more like a nearly healed cracked wrist, and a saw foot so dont exxagerate. Now lets talk about Marco Melandri who actually did have a brocken collerbone and had Rossi beat at Donington if it wasn't for a small rider error, thats guts. And lets talk about how he came from 14th to win a damn race, but that doesn't matter to you does it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 8 2006, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Huh!
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Federer feels Nadal breath on his neck in every tournament on any surface now, which is great for the sport.

Federer-Nadal, Schumacker-Alonso, Rossi-Pedrosa, do you see a pattern here? I do: consecrated super-champions who dominated a whole generation of competitors are now being challenged by youngsters with even more impressive records, when compared at their age.

And I see that all of them share an extraordinary determination, self-control and obssession to be the best. And the fun has just began!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 8 2006, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Federer feels Nadal breath on his neck in every tournament on any surface now, which is great for the sport.

Federer-Nadal, Schumacker-Alonso, Rossi-Pedrosa, do you see a pattern here? I do: consecrated super-champions who dominated a whole generation of competitors are now being challenged by youngsters with even more impressive records, when compared at their age.

And I see that all of them share an extraordinary determination, self-control and obssession to be the best. And the fun has just began!

Indeed
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 6 2006, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nakano is easily the most underrated rider int he field, he is a legend.
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what has he done to rate "legend" status? why does everybody think nakano is so great? he's been in the big class since 2001 & has yet to win a race. he does'nt even have that many podium finishes. i like to see him on an rcv to see if he's so underated. i have my doubt's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Aug 8 2006, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Federer-Nadal, Schumacker-Alonso, Rossi-Pedrosa, do you see a pattern here? I do:
the rise of spain?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Aug 7 2006, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said it before and i ll say it again if it was not for Rossi, we would be all posting on SBK sites.
say it all u want..... but speak for urself. i would'nt be.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Aug 7 2006, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Theres only one person i ve seen put in the sheer determination as rossi on final laps, and thats colin edwards.
1 race.... bfd!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 8 2006, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Huh!
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Oh please! Its a hell of alot more complex than that. What your saying is Hayden, Melandri and Pedrosa are all crap and the only reason they won is because Rossi's oh so crappy bike, which is somehow quicker on the straights has let him down. Like its been said by many other forum members, .... happens to riders! it hasn't happened to Rossi before but his due bad luck has caught up to him. And what do you mean by Rossi had a broken foot and wrist? I never knew that, actually I think it was more like a nearly healed cracked wrist, and a saw foot so dont exxagerate. Now lets talk about Marco Melandri who actually did have a brocken collerbone and had Rossi beat at Donington if it wasn't for a small rider error, thats guts. And lets talk about how he came from 14th to win a damn race, but that doesn't matter to you does it.

So if Melandris such a good rider where was he wen he was on the yam b4 he went to honda... uh NOWHERE
u cant even measure pedrosas talent hes a young kid on a fast bike wholl ride it to the floor to get points he has got determination shame he forgot to get a personality.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Aug 8 2006, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>u cant even measure pedrosas talent hes a young kid on a fast bike wholl ride it to the floor to get points he has got determination shame he forgot to get a personality.

whats with the obsession with pedrosa's personality? do you know him? no.. so how can you comment on what his personality is like?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Aug 8 2006, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So if Melandris such a good rider where was he wen he was on the yam b4 he went to honda... uh NOWHERE
u cant even measure pedrosas talent hes a young kid on a fast bike wholl ride it to the floor to get points he has got determination shame he forgot to get a personality.
Where was anyone on the Yamaha? There were so many variables that no one could get the M1 set up properly until Burgess and Rossi decreased the felxibility of the set up. I'm not taking anything away from Rossi, but Burgess made that bike capable of winning. Melandri managed to podium the thing on a few ocassions, no small feat.

Pedrosa has got everything Rossi has, minus charisma. So what?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Aug 8 2006, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whats with the obsession with pedrosa's personality? do you know him? no.. so how can you comment on what his personality is like?
it does'nt affect his racing. pedrosa gave an interview to speed at the usgp. he had what seemed to be a very pleasant personality. he was appritiative & smiled thru the whole interview. i'm starting to take a shine to this kid.
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Why does Pedrosa need to be a clown or make me laugh. Trust me if he helps to make the season more exciting than some of the previous, tedious, years then I'm more than happy.

Rossi isn't over rated just over hyped.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 8 2006, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it does'nt affect his racing. pedrosa gave an interview to speed at the usgp. he had what seemed to be a very pleasant personality. he was appritiative & smiled thru the whole interview. i'm starting to take a shine to this kid.
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glad to hear it frost. and like you said.. it doesnt affect his racing one bit!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (payne by name @ Aug 8 2006, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why does Pedrosa need to be a clown or make me laugh. Trust me if he helps to make the season more exciting than some of the previous, tedious, years then I'm more than happy.

i agree with that 100%!
 

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