Under-Rated and Over-Rated Riders

Underated:

Carlos Checa- He really is making Ellison look like he is the worse rider on the grid. Checa deserves a ride for a competitive team and in my view he should be replacing Edwards at Yamaha next season.

Dani Pedrosa- Will be better than Rossi, there is no doubt about it. He has already won two races this year and I am expecting him to be challenging for the title in nearly every season for the next 10 years.

Overated:

Valentino Rossi- Well where do I start, firstly he isn't the best ever and probably never will be withthe rise of riders like Pedrosa, Stoner etc. The titles that he has won over the past few years have been gifted to him by unbelievably good luck for him and terribly bad luck for his rivals. He is on the most stable bike on the grid but he seems to not be able to get the job done this year.

Colin Edwards- What is he good for, absolutly nothing. He can't win, even when he is leading with about 100m to go (Assen), he is very consistent but he is also getting on a bit and he needs to make way fro younger riders who can actually win.

Nicky Hayden- Yes I know, he is leading the championship by about 40 points but the fact of the matter is he can't win outside Laguna. At Assen he was gifted the win after Edwards fell off and also in that race he proved that he can't lead. If he wins the title this year it will be bad for the sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 15 2006, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Underated:
Carlos Checa- He really is making Ellison look like he is the worse rider on the grid. Checa deserves a ride for a competitive team and in my view he should be replacing Edwards at Yamaha next season.
I've heard that Checa runs for free. Yamaha France must be rolling a red carpet every time he steps into the box. He seems to be enjoying the ride, Dunlop and all. I'm sure he laughs his guts out everytime he is ahead of Tamada, Edwards, dePuniet, etc. in qualifying or racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 15 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The titles that he has won over the past few years have been gifted to him by unbelievably good luck for him and terribly bad luck for his rivals. He is on the most stable bike on the grid but he seems to not be able to get the job done this year.
WTF!
That's the funniest thing I have read yet! You are very funny. This .... just gets even more ridiculous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 15 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Overated:
Valentino Rossi- Well where do I start, firstly he isn't the best ever and probably never will be withthe rise of riders like Pedrosa, Stoner etc. The titles that he has won over the past few years have been gifted to him by unbelievably good luck for him and terribly bad luck for his rivals. He is on the most stable bike on the grid but he seems to not be able to get the job done this year.
^ as above .... wtf?

i would only call rossi overrated with regard to the insane amount of hype surrounding him.

hes a great rider, the titles he has won he has deserved and worked for. you dont get lucky 7 times in a row, luck doesnt work that way.

and stable? ... the MGP YAMAHA stable? ... since when has a yamaha been stable? ... scrap that, since when has a bike been stable? half the fun surrounding motorcycle racing is the unpredictability of rider, machine and the conditions. and if a bike were to be called stable, it would probably be a honda in my opinion.

wow... take a mental note here guys. Katt's defending rossi, i dont beleive that happens all too often.

no offence intended here Haga .... just different views mate

Rossi's bike is the most stable bike on the grid. He can brake later into the corners because of this and even brake when he is leaning the bike. Rossi is an overrated rider and he will never win a world championship again, especially now Dani Pedrosa has arrived.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 19 2006, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's bike is the most stable bike on the grid. He can brake later into the corners because of this and even brake when he is leaning the bike. Rossi is an overrated rider and he will never win a world championship again, especially now Dani Pedrosa has arrived.
Where did you find this info? I would be interested to read it. Wasn't Rossi having some really bad chattering problems earlier in the year? Does that make for a stable bike? And yes Pedrosa is a fantastic rider and will definately be a MotoGP WC, but you making some pretty wild suggestions there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vivaildottore @ Aug 19 2006, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where did you find this info? I would be interested to read it. Wasn't Rossi having some really bad chattering problems earlier in the year? Does that make for a stable bike? And yes Pedrosa is a fantastic rider and will definately be a MotoGP WC, but you making some pretty wild suggestions there.

I mean with the bike he is now on, yes at the start of the season Rossi was on a wild and out of control bike. But his bike now is one of the best, of the the best bike on the grid. It is more stable than the Repsol Honda's and this is giving Rossi a big advantage at the twistier tracks (e.g Sachenring).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ Aug 19 2006, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow... take a mental note here guys. Katt's defending rossi, i dont beleive that happens all too often.

OMG......Katt's defending Rossi?! I don't believe that either.
But would love to see Katt defending Pedrosa once in a blue moon though.

haga u must be mad,, best bike my arse..

It may not be the best but its not the worst. It seems to be Godly around the corners and on the brakes and has good horse power. I heard that Yamaha had magic fairy dust and David coperfield helping them this year aswell.

i still wouldnt call yamaha the most stable bike on the grid ...

actually ... haga .... whats your definition of a 'stable' bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ros @ Aug 20 2006, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OMG......Katt's defending Rossi?! I don't believe that either.
But would love to see Katt defending Pedrosa once in a blue moon though.
sorry aint gonna happen

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 20 2006, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>haga u must be mad,, best bike my arse..
WINNER!? .... are you back mate?

I don`t think you can blame Rossi for his performance this year. Nothing`s really working for him, tyres, bike, injury, theres just been a lot of problems that even he can`t ride around. I`m not going to deny Rossi has benefited from more than his fair share of luck in the past, and while bad luck alone can bring a rider down, you can`t get to the top, and stay there for half a decade on pure luck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 20 2006, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>haga u must be mad,, best bike my arse..

Welcome back winner, hope you decide to stick around mate

naaaaa i aint bak soz i just wanted to pm ben but got daz instead which is cool so just empying email box.. chow emigos.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 19 2006, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's bike is the most stable bike on the grid. He can brake later into the corners because of this and even brake when he is leaning the bike. Rossi is an overrated rider and he will never win a world championship again, especially now Dani Pedrosa has arrived.

Assuming you talk about chassi and setup here and not reliability:
FYI, Rossi's Yamaha is extreemly agile with very quick turn in into the corners and very good front wheel feel. He is riding with extreme rear ride hight and a narrower front tire than any one else. That make it one of, if not the, most "unstable" bikes. He's still much of a 250 rider, loading his front wheel very hard and he need that agile setup to ride fast. Again assuming you define that word as oposite to stable and hard to steer.

For a guy that is a fan of Haga it's strange you don't like Rossi's style as it is really more of the same thing. I mean, is there any thing haga can do it is narrow enties and surpricing moves.
Overrated? 7 times champions can simply not be overrated. You are simply the best. Best ever? Impossible to say, different skills and different times, as we go back in history, a completly different sport. He is the fastest today (except on the race today ;-) ) and is the fastest ever on todays machines. That is simply a fact. Overhyped, yes, but not overated.
One can allways discuss how hard the competition is, but a 250 multi-champion, an x-GP-champion, the guy that blew everyone away today and many others usually look slow in comparison. The question is; are they slow or is it Rossi making them look slow? Luck or bad luck is something you can have a few times. When you have like 50 of them it is statisticly not abbout luck, but skill. In addition, Rossi never had any big competitor that really got knocked out by injury for a long time or any of that stuff. I'll admitt that Gibernau has had more than his share of bad luck but "every" time he was neck to neck with rossi he lost anyway. Without his bad luck he would be a closer #2, big deal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Aug 11 2006, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm a bit curious as to why Yamaha didn't try to bring him on board for Edwards when he came over in 2005. The only reason they split up was because Gresini Honda had enough crew and wouldn't take him on board. Maybe Yamaha decided they had enough HRC legends in their garage.

BTW Spoone, are you a member at the CEII forum?
If you haven't checked lately, Taz (member over there) posted a link to his site that is being used as an alternate until CEII is back up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ros @ Aug 19 2006, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OMG......Katt's defending Rossi?! I don't believe that either.
But would love to see Katt defending Pedrosa once in a blue moon though.

yeah go on katt.. come join the dark side

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Aug 22 2006, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah go on katt.. come join the dark side

... yer ill join ur side the day.... richo stops payin out stoner ... how do those odds look?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 15 2006, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky Hayden- Yes I know, he is leading the championship by about 40 points but the fact of the matter is he can't win outside Laguna. At Assen he was gifted the win after Edwards fell off and also in that race he proved that he can't lead. If he wins the title this year it will be bad for the sport.
That is the dumbest thing I have seen on this thread. How can it be bad for the sport? It would be nice to see a new champ instead of Rossi winning it all the time. What you say about Nicky maybe true I am not disputing that but say if Nicky did win the championship it may help him become a better Rider for next season

^ I agree with what you said. Nicky's learning curve is steeply going up with every race. He's gotta be a new Nicky come next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Aug 22 2006, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^ I agree with what you said. Nicky's learning curve is steeply going up with every race. He's gotta be a new Nicky come next season.

how long have we been saying that for? i fear if the rest of the season goes anywhere near as bad as brno we'll know it's not gonna happen.