TT 2007

EXACT-A-MUNDO

freedom of choice for the riders to take part
freedom of choice for the spectators

i won't be surprised if they ruin the TT as a spectator sport soon - statistically, there is probably more risk of being killed sitting on the grass banks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Dec 19 2006, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rumors start up every year around the time of the TT of it not continuing after the 100 year mark.
The rumors say it may move to somewhere off of Canada.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Dec 20 2006, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I strongly agree. I've never watched it and I don't intend to. For a start it's boring compared to track racing and it isn't too funny when people fall off and lose an arm or a leg and even sometimes their life. Okay so it's up to the riders if they would like to enter it or not but it's all too late once they're dead and their families are all in dispare!

The rumors of it may move to Canada is bollocks.
The truth is that Nova Scotia or what ever it is called are starting up a road race meeting called nova Scotia TT. Theres is a website i think. Anyway its designed to increase tourism in that area.


Alex, you say you have never watched it and you dont intend to, so stop posting on this topic.
It very, very, dangerous Alex, but a choice of all riders.
They are crazy i agree. Nobody here likes the deaths but it happens. I dont see people stop taking transport of any kind because people die.
Horses for courses.
I don't hear Ago the greatest rider of all time moaning.

See you all at TT 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 21 2006, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rumors of it may move to Canada is bollocks.

I can't believe people actually believe this ..... - how could the IOM TT be in Canada ?

It would be the f'kin Canada TT wouldn't it

Long live the TT

Shut up Alex

I still don't consider the race in its current state acceptable. I know motorsport is inheritly dangerous, but so is jumping on a trampoline. There's different levels of danger corresponding with different levels of safety, and the IOM just isn't up to scratch. To have a couple of riders die a year and have it commonly accepted. I understand how important the TT is to the economy at the IOM, so why don't the powers that be on the island invest a little bit in their asset and replace a few stone walls witrh sand traps? Or does the race's popularity come from the fact that it is so dangerous? Sheene said he wouldn't ride there, then some knob comes up with the logic that "If you win the TT, you're better than Sheene, hence the best rider on earth"
Like you say, Locks, it all comes down to freedom. The riders in the TT are all very brave people. Im sure theyre fully aware of the risks involved witrh the race, and if they wish to compete, I guess it should be their perogative. But as long as they take a disgusting attitude towards safety, I sure as hell won't be supporting the IOM Coffin run.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 22 2006, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still don't consider the race in its current state acceptable. I know motorsport is inheritly dangerous, but so is jumping on a trampoline. There's different levels of danger corresponding with different levels of safety, and the IOM just isn't up to scratch. To have a couple of riders die a year and have it commonly accepted. I understand how important the TT is to the economy at the IOM, so why don't the powers that be on the island invest a little bit in their asset and replace a few stone walls witrh sand traps? Or does the race's popularity come from the fact that it is so dangerous? Sheene said he wouldn't ride there, then some knob comes up with the logic that "If you win the TT, you're better than Sheene, hence the best rider on earth"
Like you say, Locks, it all comes down to freedom. The riders in the TT are all very brave people. Im sure theyre fully aware of the risks involved witrh the race, and if they wish to compete, I guess it should be their perogative. But as long as they take a disgusting attitude towards safety, I sure as hell won't be supporting the IOM Coffin run.
This is also what i'm trying to get through to them richo but they won't have it. Fine you like to watch it and they want to ride in it, I can understand that but more saftey needs to be put in place because people are being KILLED and far too often at the TT whether it's fun to watch or compete in or whatever, i'd like to see it carry on though but with more safety.

PS: Fk off badlyspice

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 22 2006, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why don't the powers that be on the island invest a little bit in their asset and replace a few stone walls witrh sand traps?

because it's usually someones garden wall - would you let someone turn your garden into a sand trap for it to be used one weekend a year ?

thought not

the improved safety can only come from better marshalling, better medical facilities, air bags, rider equipment etc etc etc

those improvements are already in place - if they were to change he circuit then they might aswell knock the whole thing on the head IMO

Yeah, I know its someones garden wall, but theres a good chance that thiat person earns a living, either directly or indirectly from the TT. So i bet theyre keen to have the race out there but not so keen on moving a wall in the intrests of safety. I wonder if some guy pncakes himself and his bike on your wall during the TT, would you consider moving it then? I never said making the TT safe would be easy, or cheap, but if they want to keep that race going with modern bikes, which get faster every year, somthing should be done. But I guess I'm just a do-gooder getting in ther way of some people's ridiculously dangerous fun. At least I've never contributed to a race where deaths are EXPECTED anually. I'll never set foot on the IOM until that race is safer.

<u>I read this in Carl Fogarty's autobiography 'FOGGY'</u>

"Phil's death probably rammed it home that it's inevitable that riders are going to die at the Isle of Man TT. Over the years, the event has given motorbike racing a bad name. It's an understatement to say the meeting is dangerous. If you fall off at the TT once, it could be the last time you do anything. Having said that, nobody has to do the TT,as it's no longer part of any world championship. It's like the Grand National in horse racing, it's something different - a challenge with obvious dangers and risks. But riding a 37-mile circuit over mountains and through tiny villages actually touching the kerbs, is a fantastic feeling - especially if you win.
But nothing can be done to make it safer, except to knock down everyone's back gardens and all the stone walls on the Isle of Man. And there are similar dangers at just about every road racing circuit in the world. Even the man who had mastered the island circuit up until the age of 48, TT legend Joey Dunlop, eventually became a victim of road racing. Joey was killed in July 2000, just two months after my accident in Australia, when he came off the road at ann obscure race in Estonia and smashed into a tree at the side of the circuit. His record speaks for itself, he was the greatest road racer of all time. He won a record 26 TT titles at the Isle of Man and the amazing thing is that he did it with hardly any training.
In 1989 a total of five riders died at the Isle of Man TT, including big names such as Phil Mellor and Steve Henshaw. I have known other riders, probably better than I knew Phil Hogg, who were to lose their lives there in later years. Mick Lofthouse, who lived near Blackburn, was killed during practice in 1996 at Milntown, where he was blinded by the sun and clipped one of the kerbs."

- Carl Fogarty's Autography FOGGY

I think this from the great Carl Fogarty sums it all up really. I was reading his autobiography just a few minutes ago and stumbled upon it so I decided to add it here.

i think that if you replaced the stone walls with gravel traps ect all that would happen is riders pushing harder for faster lap times i dont think the death toll would drop.
rightly or wrongly ,it's the danger that makes it so exciting.
when you concider how many riders compete and how many miles are covered over the whole event the death toll is not as high as you might expect .a lot of riders are not profesional but ameture club racers from all over the world. joe dunlop R.I.P. won 26 iom titals yet lost his life circuit racing..go figure...all motor sport is dangerious and i love it.


let the race continue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Dec 23 2006, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nobody has to do the TT,as it's no longer part of any world championship...... nothing can be done to make it safer, except to knock down everyone's back gardens and all the stone walls on the Isle of Man. And there are similar dangers at just about every road racing circuit in the world............

i agree - that just about sums it up.

they can't make the circuit safer - and although i don't like to think that people are dying for my entertainment, while they continue to do it - i'll continue to support them. new safety measures are introduced just about every year so hopefully the 100th anniversary of the worlds greatest road race won't cost anyones life.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 24 2006, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hopefully the 100th anniversary of the worlds greatest road race won't cost anyones life.

I think that will be wishful thinking, locks

1 year around 5 died at the Isle of Man TT, at least 1 did last year...so I think it'll be pushing the boat out a little to say no-one will die but I hope they don't!

I think the tt is a fantastic event and a huge thrill to even watch. The idea of banning the event is not a good one as far as i am concerned, the only grounds fro doing so is safetey, and i doubt many riders take to the start line without will or without knowing the risks. Some larger safety precautions would be nice i think, but its hard when the circuit itself is public roads.

If something really needed to be done then the riders would start bitching, afterall its them on the line. And untill the entry lists get thin and riders start voicing concerns, the IOM will struggle to justify any large cash input to fix it. But all the riders seem to have accepted the risks long before they get to the race itself.

I wonder if the guys in Bodybags are thinking "Well, I knew the risks, can't really complain"

Tricky one, this. I have a huge amount of respect for the TT riders, in the same way I have respect for the older GP riders and F1 drivers. These guys take those speed through those rediculously unsafe corners, knowing they could seriously lose their life at any moment. That takes a level of psychological insanity/bravery/determination that most of us have never, and most likely will never reach. For that, they will always have my respect. As dangerous as track racing is nowadays, I hate it when people like Fernando Alonso talk about risking their life at every corner. It's keeping up this dangerous image, when in reality playing football is more dangerous than most track racing events (in terms of frequence of injuries). I don't like it when drivers/riders do that, because it's glorifying death. Death can happen in track racing, but it would take a serious freak accident. Maybe with the exception of Cadwell

I seriously doubt the TT will ever be banned. It's similar to events like the Dakar, there isn't much you can do to make it safer, and the heritage and prestige it holds will always prevent any banning movements. There would be uproar.

It's not an event I watch anymore. I used to watch it, but then David Jefferies died, one of my all time heroes, and I couldn't look at it in the same way. I don't think it should be banned, I think people should choose whether to watch or not.

I like to think motorsport is moving forwards in terms of safety, most already have. The TT is different I'm afraid, because I don't think its possible to move it forward.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Dec 30 2006, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Death can happen in track racing, but it would take a serious freak accident.

i know the TT is just one event/week/track - but there are more people killed per year at british tracks than at the TT.

3 deaths at British Tracks last year (that I know of) 3 at the TT.

i think the tt will be around as long as people choose to race and as long as people choose to watch, i intend to be there in 07.

And Richo, i know the riders who have lost their lives cannot actually think anything, but i dont think many of them would regret choosing to race. I think i heard that David Jeffries tomb stone says "he who risks nothing, achieves nothing, becomes nothing".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Dec 23 2006, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I know its someones garden wall, but theres a good chance that thiat person earns a living, either directly or indirectly from the TT. So i bet theyre keen to have the race out there but not so keen on moving a wall in the intrests of safety. I wonder if some guy pncakes himself and his bike on your wall during the TT, would you consider moving it then? I never said making the TT safe would be easy, or cheap, but if they want to keep that race going with modern bikes, which get faster every year, somthing should be done. But I guess I'm just a do-gooder getting in ther way of some people's ridiculously dangerous fun. At least I've never contributed to a race where deaths are EXPECTED anually. I'll never set foot on the IOM until that race is safer.

Everyone on the tt gets some sort of living out of it ?
What a load of .....
I guess i will never see you here then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jan 6 2007, 08:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everyone on the tt gets some sort of living out of it ?
What a load of .....
I guess i will never see you here then.

Yeah your right, thinking everyone earns a living off it is a "load of ....", but where did I say that everyone earns a living from the TT? Besides, if the TT was stopped, what effect would it have on the local economy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Dec 31 2006, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i know the TT is just one event/week/track - but there are more people killed per year at british tracks than at the TT.

3 deaths at British Tracks last year (that I know of) 3 at the TT.
Well that's equal isn't it? That's not 'more'.