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The day Spies lost his GP ride

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 7 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When you say "either" you are referring to ParcFerme.


So I didn't find the word in either post? Um, what will your retraction sound like?I realize you have trouble reading, but are you blind to?

Obviously you and Parc missed the point. Parc, I got you are saying that it should not be called an article. However, both of you come out and say this article (or call it whatever you want) was .... (or as you say Parc, not "journalism"). The thing is it has facts and opinion like many articles; and as many do, they have a bias. When you read an "article" and the "journalist" quotes a rider then says for example this riders quotes "flames" or is "outraged" or "downplayed" such and such, guess what, this is the writer's OPINION. We see that commonly on Crash.net and other news media. The rider they are quoting may disagree with that characterization of his quote, yet we don't go around saying the article is .... or dismiss it. But you two jumped all over this one because it cast a favorable light on somebody you clearly may not like. You two come down on it because Adams makes an opinion (which he usually does) and say this isn't journalism. Hello, there are many forms of journalism. There is that basic news report, then we have columns & editorials, opinion pieces, historical archives, etc. the word article does NOT have some magical designation making it true. Its simply a written piece, its simply a non fiction piece. Now you can say maybe Adams is lying. But it doesn't automatically call for you to say its not an article.

I think you missed our point. Adams has never come up with a single favorable word regarding anythin european or generally anything comming from outside USA. Thats not the kind of bias you expect from a jounalist. On a blog yes but not in an "article" or "column" by an acociated writer. His .... never carry any balance. So, it's not this "article" that is ...., it's most of what he writes that involves international racing. It's fine with editorials and opinions but it should be funded better with better arguments. That make his scramblings not even worth the bandwidth it consumes.

I clearly see how you root for the guy as you both carry the same blindness from time time to time. But from a journalist even you should expect some kind of balance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 7 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you missed our point. Adams has never come up with a single favorable word regarding anythin european or generally anything comming from outside USA. Thats not the kind of bias you expect from a jounalist. On a blog yes but not in an "article" or "column" by an acociated writer. His .... never carry any balance. So, it's not this "article" that is ...., it's most of what he writes that involves international racing. It's fine with editorials and opinions but it should be funded better with better arguments. That make his scramblings not even worth the bandwidth it consumes.

I clearly see how you root for the guy as you both carry the same blindness from time time to time. But from a journalist even you should expect some kind of balance.

Yea,like the European press just raves about anything American,especially when it comes to US bike racing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 8 2008, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea,like the European press just raves about anything American,especially when it comes to US bike racing.

Probably as much as US press raves about national series in Europe or Asia, but neiter are what I ment about internatiional racing even if they all are open for other nationalities. I've got nothing against US motorcycle press in general but this guy "shine" clear and bright on his own.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 7 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But from a journalist even you should expect some kind of balance.
Babel, I agree he is a total homer fanboy for American racing, but this is about as true if you read the Spanish press (which I do) or the Italian press (which I barely can with trouble) about their national riders. Its not that different really. Many journalist develop reputations, and yes, Adam has the reputation of being a homer. Have you ever got around to reading some of the spanish press about their riders? Geez man, you'd think some of their riders found the cure for cancer.

However, I'm not sure who you are saying I root for, do you mean Spies or Adams? Either way, you are wrong. Spies is an American, so I am very interested in his progress in the world of MotoGP being that I am a fan of the sport. But I am far from an actual fan of his. I defend several riders that I think you and a few anti-Americans like to crap on. Just like when you crap on Stoner, even though I'm not a fan of his, I just correct you were you are wrong--and that happens alot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 7 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably as much as US press raves about national series in Europe or Asia, but neiter are what I ment about internatiional racing even if they all are open for other nationalities. I've got nothing against US motorcycle press in general but this guy "shine" clear and bright on his own.
Wrong again, obviously you don't read Roadracing World, an American magazine.

Again babel, yes, Adams is more of a homer for the American series than most. You have pinned him correctly, but lets not brush all American journalist with the same broad stroke.
 
[quote name='evo9' date='Sep 7 2008, 02:15 AM' post='150895']
He's not gonna get the WSB factory Ducati seat. Looks like HAGA is the man that might be getting it. Read it here >> http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wsbk/news/...xerox_deal.html


Your right Evo 9 Haga has been confirmed to replace Bayliss for 2009. They bailed on Biaggi and picked Haga instead. Look like Biaggi should finally retire...he sure has pissed off enough teams...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080905h11.htm

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 8 2008, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Babel, I agree he is a total homer fanboy for American racing, but this is about as true if you read the Spanish press (which I do) or the Italian press (which I barely can with trouble) about their national riders. Its not that different really. Many journalist develop reputations, and yes, Adam has the reputation of being a homer. Have you ever got around to reading some of the spanish press about their riders? Geez man, you'd think some of their riders found the cure for cancer.

However, I'm not sure who you are saying I root for, do you mean Spies or Adams? Either way, you are wrong. Spies is an American, so I am very interested in his progress in the world of MotoGP being that I am a fan of the sport. But I am far from an actual fan of his. I defend several riders that I think you and a few anti-Americans like to crap on. Just like when you crap on Stoner, even though I'm not a fan of his, I just correct you were you are wrong--and that happens alot.

Glad you agree in what was my point. You may go on being ... hairsplitting what ever I write and claim I was wrong but I think you said it very well and I admit, better than I said it with those few words:
"Babel, I agree he is a total homer fanboy for American racing,"

Of course you are dead wrong calling me an anti-american and you got it wrong when you think I crap on Stoner. If you first and formost refer to me pointing out he rode the whole '07 with very little pressure it just proves I know a thing or two about racing that you will never learn.
It's also a lack of understanding of how others can have a different standard for rating achivments than your own. It's not a dig at Stoner, it's an observation based on very basic sports pshycollogy.
Was his riding less impressive last year if it was without pressure? IMO no.
Was he "less worthy" if he rode without pressure? IMO no.
Was is an argument against those who said he was under hard pressure last year so pressure couldn't be a factor this year? yes absolutly.
But it was not a dig at Stoner or his achivements, rather a possible part of an reason for why he failed so badly when he actually got under real pressure.
 
I could give a rats ... about Dean Adams,he just reported what was being bantered around the paddock.This was not a thread to determine someones journalism skills or lack there of. You guys act like this is something he made up.Dont forget,Denning said in an interview to an Italian or Spanish
reporter that he was less than happy with Spies decision not to race and it was said his tone when talking about it drove home the point that he was PISSED.The question is,did this have anything to do with Spies going from being a lock, to basically being shown the door.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Suzuki will not pay a rider 2 million a year,they paid him 2 million a year to ride Superbike,it can and has been done.

^^^YOu have a good point, but a portion of Spies' salary is picked up by Yoshimura, Rockstar, and Makita.

Read this from superbikeplanet . com

The hot rumour today was that Toni Elias will go back to the Gresini team and that contrary to some rumours there will not be a seventh Honda next year. That means that one of the now separate JiR and Scott teams (currently running Dovizioso under a joint banner) is going to be disappointed. The Scott side want to run their current 250 ace Yuki Takahashi in MotoGP, the JiR side have a preliminary agreement with Ben Spies. The sensible money says Spies will lose out, which would leave him very few options in the MotoGP paddock.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 13 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^YOu have a good point, but a portion of Spies' salary is picked up by Yoshimura, Rockstar, and Makita.
Why wouldn't they put money for motogp?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 13 2008, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why wouldn't they put money for motogp?

If things in the US start looking more bleak than they are now, I could see that whole operation running a sat team for Suzuki in MotoGP. A new team and new rider sounds like FAIL, but if done right and with support from Suzuki, it could work.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 13 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why wouldn't they put money for motogp?

If the Suzuki has a Yoshi exhaust system, which I would assume it does it would be Yoshi Japan not Yoshi USA. I would also take a punt at that's where Spies gets a lot of his money from.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 13 2008, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why wouldn't they put money for motogp?

^^^Yoshimura makes the bulk of their income here in the U.S. I do not see them making the same investment in Spies for him to race Here in the states twice a year. I also see his salary requirements as a political/economic issue. They cannot justify paying a rookie more than proven veterans. Next, if they were to pay him everyone will want a raise.
 

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