The day Spies lost his GP ride

Not to be a ...., but Suzuki has not (as far as I know) made any statement ruling out a third bike. Spies, Capi and Vermulen will all be racing at Indi; the bikes are extant. And what about a satellite team? Not likely given Suzuki's smaller budget - but both possibilities are within the realm of possibility. No . . . I didn't say "likely".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said it then and it seems to be coming out that Bens decision not to ride at Assen could have played a major role in Suzuki turning their backs on him.I said at the time that this was not the way to impress the future boss.With Spies looking more and more locked out of GP for 09,and more and more like the Bayliss replacement,i wonder what he thinks of his decision now.This a little quote from an article on Superbike Planet

European paddock wags keep saying that allegedly what cost Spies the Suzuki GP ride was some hubris about Spies and his mother, Mary or his refusing to ride at Assen.The whole article can be seen here
http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080905h11.htm


I wouldn't be surprised if it is mostly due to the guy taking his freakin' MOM with him everywhere he goes. Everybody makes vague references to her personality, but then (just like this article) covers it up by saying "she's just lookin' out for her kid." B.S. She's a stage mom and needs to GTFO.

It would be like having Puig x 100000 in your garage. Even a good rider can bring along enough baggage to make him undesirable (Biaggi and now maybe Hopkins).

I'm sure the wrenches had an impromptu meeting after watching her hover around the garage and vetoed the guy on the spot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I said it then and it seems to be coming out that Bens decision not to ride at Assen could have played a major role in Suzuki turning their backs on him.I said at the time that this was not the way to impress the future boss.With Spies looking more and more locked out of GP for 09,and more and more like the Bayliss replacement,i wonder what he thinks of his decision now.This a little quote from an article on Superbike Planet

European paddock wags keep saying that allegedly what cost Spies the Suzuki GP ride was some hubris about Spies and his mother, Mary or his refusing to ride at Assen.The whole article can be seen here
http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080905h11.htm

that article misses one very valid point about spies v Capirex. EXPERIENCE!
spies is not a good choice if 'zuki want to develop the GSV into a race winner. Loris might not be either but he sure does have a lot more experience at it and has had a good record of doing so with ducati.
that and the $$$'s maybe?

Interesting article, but:
1.Spies was just too expensive, especially without much GP-experience.
2.Capirex is 35 so what? He could race as any youngster, if the Suz would be sharper then he could get on podium many times. He was not the WC in 2006 because of the Gibernau-incident -> injuries...unfortunately...it was his year.
3.Capirex is a good development rider with lots of info.
4.Still very popular and has a huge fanbase in MotoGP.
5.No decision of any third Suzuki yet as far as I know and a couple of Honda-seats are still empty so Spies still has the opportunity to ride there. Probably he needs to cut his demands...but anyway I think he will ride in MotoGP, he would not announced anything at Indy if he stayed in AMA or went to SBK.
Hope the guy will have the opportunity to ride in the MotoGP and then we'll see he is that good how the author of this article suggests.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 6 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that article misses one very valid point about spies v Capirex. EXPERIENCE!
spies is not a good choice if 'zuki want to develop the GSV into a race winner. Loris might not be either but he sure does have a lot more experience at it and has had a good record of doing so with ducati.
that and the $$$'s maybe?


Please

DO NOT call that an article.

It implies journalism.

That was nothing more than another Dean Adams rambling rant... just a whatever blog post in the vast ocean of internets.

An "article" it is not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (torro @ Sep 6 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting article, but:
1.Spies was just too expensive, especially without much GP-experience.
2.Capirex is 35 so what? He could race as any youngster, if the Suz would be sharper then he could get on podium many times. He was not the WC in 2006 because of the Gibernau-incident -> injuries...unfortunately...it was his year.
3.Capirex is a good development rider with lots of info.
4.Still very popular and has a huge fanbase in MotoGP.
5.No decision of any third Suzuki yet as far as I know and a couple of Honda-seats are still empty so Spies still has the opportunity to ride there. Probably he needs to cut his demands...but anyway I think he will ride in MotoGP, he would not announced anything at Indy if he stayed in AMA or went to SBK.
Hope the guy will have the opportunity to ride in the MotoGP and then we'll see he is that good how the author of this article suggests.
You said everything there that i would.Thanks for saving me the time.(I write slowly.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Definatley an opinion piece but if you saw Spies performance at Road Atlanta you would know what he is talking about.He was smoking fast and dispatched Mladin like he was a privateer.What he did against one of the top 10-15 riders in the world was impressive.

When it comes to international racing with american interests involved adams is the least notewothy source ever to listen too (Except Jumkie of course ). I've seen enough of his rambling to agree with the above: just another blog is the the way to regard his "journalism".

I'm not saying what he did is not impressive, but going back to his "article" it's just so many holes. Experience is mentioned, development skills, knowledge of the tracks and finally, with Loris they know what they get, Spies is in large part the unknown.

There are still strong rumours that he might end up at one of the sattalite Honda teams or Alice Ducati, all of which would be great rides for Spies.

Apparently he's announcing his future after the Indy race so i'm hoping and praying he's going to one of them teams.

Ben would sell more RIZLAS than Capi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 6 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben would sell more RIZLAS than Capi
You should be on that bike Curve cause you could sell more than anyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 7 2008, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You should be on that bike Curve cause you could sell more than anyone.

Suzuki ain't payin' 2 million for any rider. Ben is a good talent, maybe great but there have been many guys with talent and championships better than him that motogp ate up in the first 3 races. Toseland and Lorenzo for a couple of good examples. I think Suzuki did the right thing. Without total factory support hiring a charger that expects to win every race may be something they can't satisfy just yet. They have bigger problems to pay attention to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Sep 6 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even a good rider can bring along enough baggage to make him undesirable
If Rossi can bring along his feminine little friend, why can't Spies?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Sep 6 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are still strong rumours that he might end up at one of the sattalite Honda teams or Alice Ducati, all of which would be great rides for Spies.

Apparently he's announcing his future after the Indy race so i'm hoping and praying he's going to one of them teams.





He's not gonna get the WSB factory Ducati seat. Looks like HAGA is the man that might be getting it. Read it here >> http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wsbk/news/...xerox_deal.html










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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Sep 6 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DO NOT call that an article.
Parc (&babel), how id you read this and come away thinking it was some kind of news article? Its obviously more like a column. You know, like an opinion piece. And guess what, journalists write columns. Is this your big reason for saying its ....? Dude, we read it and cross check the facts, but the opinions are his own for us to accept or reject. Uhm, just like everything we read. So why is this so different?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 6 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Definatley an opinion piece
No ....! My blind ........ and deaf monkey I keep caged to alert me of intruders could figure that out. But babel thinks its a Papal decree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (torro @ Sep 6 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2.Capirex ...He was not the WC in 2006 because of the Gibernau-incident -> injuries...unfortunately...it was his year.
Torro, I agree with many of your points. And though I agree that Loris was on pace to challenge for the WC in 06, the incident that took him out happened rather early in the season, and we would not know how the rest had played out. I mean, look at the first few rounds of this year, we could have easily made a case that Peders or Stoner woud win this year's title, but look how the season has played out.

The part of the opinion article that was toughest for me to agree with was Adam's notion that hiring Loris was a mistake. Actually, I think it was a smart move on Suzuki's part. (My personal opinion is that they made a mistake rehiring Vermulen). Loris can beat his younger teammate on any given race, but add to that the knowledge, experience, and ability to develop a bike that needs advancement. I also think they should have hired Spies. Vermi is good, but not great. If this is what they want more of, then that is what they will get. I personally would have gambled, and gone with a guy that has something to prove and is a wildcard.