Joined Aug 2013
342 Posts | 1+
Louisiana, USA
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
barbedwirebiker
I dont think it has anything to do with being outsmarted. Yamaha drug their feet on how they were going to approach the proddy, and Honda went straight to work building a bike to compete against the CRT's. By being non committal, the advantage fell into Yamaha's lap when Dorna decided to shitcan the CRT's, blowing Honda's program all to hell and tying their hands at the same time. Or Dorna, to punish Honda, gave Yamaha a little wink and nudge and told them to hold up on making a decision on your proddy, we have something brewing that will .... Honda, and give you a huge leg up in performance.
I dont think it has anything to do with being outsmarted. Yamaha drug their feet on how they were going to approach the proddy, and Honda went straight to work building a bike to compete against the CRT's. By being non committal, the advantage fell into Yamaha's lap when Dorna decided to shitcan the CRT's, blowing Honda's program all to hell and tying their hands at the same time. Or Dorna, to punish Honda, gave Yamaha a little wink and nudge and told them to hold up on making a decision on your proddy, we have something brewing that will .... Honda, and give you a huge leg up in performance.
Joined Oct 2011
351 Posts | 25+
Europe
Probably the tires, but the ART was supposed to get pnuematics and other upgrades. That Honda is just a POS that was hyped up to sell, they beat Aprillia with PR.
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
hawkdriver
It has been clearly intentional on the part of Honda to keep the PR bike slow... 1.2 millions is not peanuts, and a more powerful engine with pneumatic valves could have fitted in that budget. But hey, to them the fact that cost-effective GP bikes free from the limitations of fuel and number of engines could actually be competitive, is blasphemy.
It has been clearly intentional on the part of Honda to keep the PR bike slow... 1.2 millions is not peanuts, and a more powerful engine with pneumatic valves could have fitted in that budget. But hey, to them the fact that cost-effective GP bikes free from the limitations of fuel and number of engines could actually be competitive, is blasphemy.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
hawkdriver
Both used soft rubber and this years rubber is not 7-8 10/ths faster than last years soft rubber. The Honda is not a piece of ...., the motherfuckers who twisted words to make people beleive it was within 3/10ths of the factory bikes is the piece of ..... What im trying to figure is, what is Honda's end game. Obviously, this bikes performance or lack of, will keep anyone from buying it next year, so they are looking at this as a one year project. Are they preparing to leave GP and dont give a .....?
Both used soft rubber and this years rubber is not 7-8 10/ths faster than last years soft rubber. The Honda is not a piece of ...., the motherfuckers who twisted words to make people beleive it was within 3/10ths of the factory bikes is the piece of ..... What im trying to figure is, what is Honda's end game. Obviously, this bikes performance or lack of, will keep anyone from buying it next year, so they are looking at this as a one year project. Are they preparing to leave GP and dont give a .....?
Joined Jun 2007
3K Posts | 309+
UK
povol
I thought the agreement with teams is that the proddy is paid for over 2 seasons....so Aspar will have the same bikes for 2014 and 2015. The teams get a bit more improvements in year 2 with some form of extra payment.....but basically the bike is good for 2 years, and after year 2 they can sell it to other teams....
I thought the agreement with teams is that the proddy is paid for over 2 seasons....so Aspar will have the same bikes for 2014 and 2015. The teams get a bit more improvements in year 2 with some form of extra payment.....but basically the bike is good for 2 years, and after year 2 they can sell it to other teams....
Joined Aug 2013
342 Posts | 1+
Louisiana, USA
povol
I don't think Honda knows what their endgame is at this point when it comes to the open class. Their original goal was to have the fastest open class bike; they would have had no trouble selling RCVs next year had they pulled that off. Being humiliated by Yamaha at Sepang was not part of the plan.
Also, I don't think anyone (except for "the insider") really believed the whole 3/10s bs, including the teams who bought the RCV. I would bet they all thought the same things we did: that the RCV was a third-tier machine, but it was the best available option for teams who couldn't afford a satellite. No one knew that Yamaha was turning old satellites into open class machines. And frankly, if Colin was NGM's only rider, we still wouldn't know.
I don't think Honda knows what their endgame is at this point when it comes to the open class. Their original goal was to have the fastest open class bike; they would have had no trouble selling RCVs next year had they pulled that off. Being humiliated by Yamaha at Sepang was not part of the plan.
Also, I don't think anyone (except for "the insider") really believed the whole 3/10s bs, including the teams who bought the RCV. I would bet they all thought the same things we did: that the RCV was a third-tier machine, but it was the best available option for teams who couldn't afford a satellite. No one knew that Yamaha was turning old satellites into open class machines. And frankly, if Colin was NGM's only rider, we still wouldn't know.
Such a joke, MotoGP is. 2 different class racing 'artificially' together by giving advantages/disadvantages.
Within the last 10 years, motorsports have been steadily on the decline due to technology. Technology will be the death of motorsports!
Within the last 10 years, motorsports have been steadily on the decline due to technology. Technology will be the death of motorsports!
Joined Aug 2013
163 Posts | 33+
Northants UK
yep look at whats happened to F1, MotoGp not far behind.
is tough tho, really we need tech for development and to make the sport worthwhile for the factory's, but its killing it slowly.
I dont see either series recovering to past glorys any time soon
is tough tho, really we need tech for development and to make the sport worthwhile for the factory's, but its killing it slowly.
I dont see either series recovering to past glorys any time soon
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
Honda is strangling MotoGP with artificial technological barriers, justified under the pretext of developing new technology, but actually aimed at achieving easy domination. I say, let Honda do their new technology developments at their private testing facilities, and give back to MotoGP its status of "sport". A sport as such must have rules flexible enough to allow many various contenders to compete, otherwise it's not a sport.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
J4rn0
Yamaha agreed to the regs as well. If they didnt, these regs would not exist, period, end of. They are not bound to vote the way Honda does, If they dont want to follow Honda, dont, . Its not like someone has to commit hari kari if they vote against Honda's will.In other words, quit laying this all at the feet of Honda, it really geeting kind of old.
Yamaha agreed to the regs as well. If they didnt, these regs would not exist, period, end of. They are not bound to vote the way Honda does, If they dont want to follow Honda, dont, . Its not like someone has to commit hari kari if they vote against Honda's will.In other words, quit laying this all at the feet of Honda, it really geeting kind of old.
Joined Oct 2007
4K Posts | 744+
Tuscany, Italy
povol
All other players are comparatively small and often do not dare to challenge a giant like Honda openly, especially in the case of Japanese companies. However we are now seeing something encouraging from Yamaha and maybe Ducati and Aprilia, with the help of Dorna, to begin playing by an alternative set of "open" rules which could become the basis for a better MotoGP.
All other players are comparatively small and often do not dare to challenge a giant like Honda openly, especially in the case of Japanese companies. However we are now seeing something encouraging from Yamaha and maybe Ducati and Aprilia, with the help of Dorna, to begin playing by an alternative set of "open" rules which could become the basis for a better MotoGP.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
J4rn0
Yea, i have heard that excuse from Krop as well. Its just easier to blame big bad Honda. From what i have seen lately, that Japanese honor ........ has flown the coop . Altthough not as big as Honda, Yamaha is a huge company that can do whatever they please, whenever they please. Maybe, they understand that a series without Honda is hollow, and any championship won without Honda would be just as hollow. And Maybe, they just like the challenge, considering they have won twice as many World Championships as Honda in the last 10 years and 3 times as many championships as Honda won in a class [800] invented by Honda, or so they say. . I stil dont know what everyone is bitching about, last year was as good a season you could ask for, all the way from the actual racing, to the points final.
Yea, i have heard that excuse from Krop as well. Its just easier to blame big bad Honda. From what i have seen lately, that Japanese honor ........ has flown the coop . Altthough not as big as Honda, Yamaha is a huge company that can do whatever they please, whenever they please. Maybe, they understand that a series without Honda is hollow, and any championship won without Honda would be just as hollow. And Maybe, they just like the challenge, considering they have won twice as many World Championships as Honda in the last 10 years and 3 times as many championships as Honda won in a class [800] invented by Honda, or so they say. . I stil dont know what everyone is bitching about, last year was as good a season you could ask for, all the way from the actual racing, to the points final.
povol
There are only 2 teams that are able to get a championship, not EVEN that, just a win. Mind as well just have factory motorcycles racing around and let go of the 'little' folks with dreams.
Wait, that's HONDA right? You think they will ever let their satellite production bikes win over HRC? NO. So they purposely make customer bikes not up to spec.......... I can understand in a way but, that is not fair at all. In an interview I've read on Redding's manager on Crash, Redding had a choice of the Yamaha ride that Pol had? And that the manager kind of regretted going to Honda, and that the only reason why the deal was sign because Honda promised factory support in Redding's second year? Yamaha at least is willing to sacrafice and share to a point, to get whatever they can get, show's that Yamaha is behind the 8 ball if you will, when it comes to fighting with the mighty Honda..... whereas Honda will rather let their customers suffer then even get a fighting chance at their own factory outfit. Meaning Honda DOES have alot of clout.
There are only 2 teams that are able to get a championship, not EVEN that, just a win. Mind as well just have factory motorcycles racing around and let go of the 'little' folks with dreams.
Wait, that's HONDA right? You think they will ever let their satellite production bikes win over HRC? NO. So they purposely make customer bikes not up to spec.......... I can understand in a way but, that is not fair at all. In an interview I've read on Redding's manager on Crash, Redding had a choice of the Yamaha ride that Pol had? And that the manager kind of regretted going to Honda, and that the only reason why the deal was sign because Honda promised factory support in Redding's second year? Yamaha at least is willing to sacrafice and share to a point, to get whatever they can get, show's that Yamaha is behind the 8 ball if you will, when it comes to fighting with the mighty Honda..... whereas Honda will rather let their customers suffer then even get a fighting chance at their own factory outfit. Meaning Honda DOES have alot of clout.
