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levigarrett · Feb 6, 2014

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He did say something about MM's pace looking so good because he did it during the fastest time of the day(morning?) Not sure when Jlo and him put in their laps.

Cal said something similar. Cal mentioned that fast laps were not truly possible after the first few hours on track and that the afternoon session in particular was not good for running at 100%.

I've been impressed and so far surprised by Cal. His interviews have a bit of a different tone than they did last season. Hopefully that continues and he's able to make some headway.

heyhuub · Feb 7, 2014

I'd say Alex Rins currently looks more impressive than A. Marquez

MigsAngel · Feb 7, 2014

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Works for me. Wonder how long before deserters come back. Glad to see something worth discussing.

At least one of the deserters has returned to continue spanking their dead horse conspiracy theories.....

557953 · Feb 7, 2014

Marc's times are amazing thats one hell of a run, varied by over 1s tho fastest to slowest which is a pretty big gap, where as Jorge on a sorted yamaha would prob be maybe something in the middle for 20 laps 3 tenths off Marcs fastest and 2 tenths faster than Marc's slowest, weather his consistency would give him a better race time or not I dunno but it could be an interesting season ahead, that is until 93 learns how to bolt from the start like Lorenzo & Stoner and lay down 20 Lorenzo like laps in a row.... then the rest are screwed if they're not already, which looks like they might be.

povol · Feb 7, 2014

There is some chatter that since Yamaha has basically entered a factory prototype in the open division with good results, why not just go that route with Lorenzo , Rossi and Tech 3 to get the extra engines and fuel. A few questions.

If they did go open division, could they install the seamless tranny on just Lorenzo and Rossi's bikes, or would they have to supply all open Yamaha's.

Would they be able to choose the harder tire compounds that are used for the factory prototypes, and if so, is the spec box along with the seamless tranny good enough to make them work. If they have to choose the softer tires, is the spec box and seamless tranny good enough to make them last.

Honda built a mediocre bike that they could sell and make a few bucks, Yamaha has chosen to lease a factory prototype bike and lose big money, and in the mean time, really really piss of Herve who paid 3 times the amount to get less performance. Im assuming its to late for him to choose the open option since he has already signed and ran bikes under his current lease agreement.What a ....... soap opera

rezonator636 · Feb 7, 2014

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There is some chatter that since Yamaha has basically entered a factory prototype in the open division with good results, why not just go that route with Lorenzo , Rossi and Tech 3 to get the extra engines and fuel. A few questions.

If they did go open division, could they install the seamless tranny on just Lorenzo and Rossi's bikes, or would they have to supply all open Yamaha's.

Would they be able to choose the harder tire compounds that are used for the factory prototypes, and if so, is the spec box along with the seamless tranny good enough to make them work. If they have to choose the softer tires, is the spec box and seamless tranny good enough to make them last.

Honda built a mediocre bike that they could sell and make a few bucks, Yamaha has chosen to lease a factory prototype bike and lose big money, and in the mean time, really really piss of Herve who paid 3 times the amount to get less performance. Im assuming its to late for him to choose the open option since he has already signed and ran bikes under his current lease agreement.What a ....... soap opera

According to Krop's tweets, Yamaha's entry as a factory team was more or less set in stone before the start of the season, and there's not enough time left to convince the board of directors otherwise.

Herve has been royally screwed, no doubt. If I was him, I'd be pissed that not only is my bike is more than half a second back of the open-class Yamaha, it's also well under a second ahead of Honda's asthmatic RCV. Perhaps it's not too late to switch to open class. I obviously don't know the terms of his lease agreement with Yamaha, but he has the right to demand changes, after spending that kind of money on those bikes.

Speaking of the RCV: according to Hayden, the chassis is very good (miles better than what he had at Ducati, but that's kind of a low bar). If Honda were to upgrade the engine, the proddie might actually be worth something. I think the original reason they down-tuned it as much as they did is because they expected it to battle for 12th place with the ART. They definitely didn't expect Yamaha to upset the Open-class apple cart by giving NGM a satellite bike. I'm glad Yamaha did this, though, if only because it may force Honda to help the proddie teams.

J4rn0 · Feb 7, 2014

Marquez is the new King, no doubt about that, after Stoner's retirement; Pedrosa is depressed and Lorenzo's (relative) difficulty with the peakiness of the engine due to 1 less liter of fuel (as well as to Yam engineers trying to match Honda's power) reveals his dependency on super-smooth delivery. Old Rossi could handle that peaky character better than him, and that must have hurt. No worries, soon they'll adjust the power delivery to his taste via software, without having to resort to the extra liters of the open class as he half-seriously surmised in an interview.

Speaking of Open, Aleix Espargaro was brilliant on his fast lap, thanks probably also to the Open's softer tire (?), although I think whatever the tire he used that's a limited exploit and the factory electronics would make the difference in the full length of actual races. All the works Yamahas including Tech3 will surely stay factory, while the possibility of Ducati going open is still very concrete, at least with the Pramac bikes. The greater flexibility of that formula is just too desirable for a team that has to do a lot of development work. They were happy at Ducati, since Dovi could make the fastest Sepang lap of his career on any bike, and Suzuki seems to be still lagging much further back than them. Ah, and they could easily beat the Honda PR, something that for many must have been a surprise.

levigarrett · Feb 7, 2014

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According to Krop's tweets, Yamaha's entry as a factory team was more or less set in stone before the start of the season, and there's not enough time left to convince the board of directors otherwise.

Herve has been royally screwed, no doubt. If I was him, I'd be pissed that not only is my bike is more than half a second back of the open-class Yamaha, it's also well under a second ahead of Honda's asthmatic RCV. Perhaps it's not too late to switch to open class. I obviously don't know the terms of his lease agreement with Yamaha, but he has the right to demand changes, after spending that kind of money on those bikes.

Speaking of the RCV: according to Hayden, the chassis is very good (miles better than what he had at Ducati, but that's kind of a low bar). If Honda were to upgrade the engine, the proddie might actually be worth something. I think the original reason they down-tuned it as much as they did is because they expected it to battle for 12th place with the ART. They definitely didn't expect Yamaha to upset the Open-class apple cart by giving NGM a satellite bike. I'm glad Yamaha did this, though, if only because it may force Honda to help the proddie teams.

I certainly think this puts a great deal of pressure on Honda to improve the 1000R. I can't imagine them being able to market and sell these bikes without further improvement. It'll be interesting to see how Honda responds in the coming weeks.

hawkdriver · Feb 7, 2014

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According to Krop's tweets, Yamaha's entry as a factory team was more or less set in stone before the start of the season, and there's not enough time left to convince the board of directors otherwise.

Herve has been royally screwed, no doubt. If I was him, I'd be pissed that not only is my bike is more than half a second back of the open-class Yamaha, it's also well under a second ahead of Honda's asthmatic RCV. Perhaps it's not too late to switch to open class. I obviously don't know the terms of his lease agreement with Yamaha, but he has the right to demand changes, after spending that kind of money on those bikes.

Speaking of the RCV: according to Hayden, the chassis is very good (miles better than what he had at Ducati, but that's kind of a low bar). If Honda were to upgrade the engine, the proddie might actually be worth something. I think the original reason they down-tuned it as much as they did is because they expected it to battle for 12th place with the ART. They definitely didn't expect Yamaha to upset the Open-class apple cart by giving NGM a satellite bike. I'm glad Yamaha did this, though, if only because it may force Honda to help the proddie teams.

I was thinking the same thing, but there's an interview with him on crash and he explains what's going on and why Yamaha gave the open class such a good bike. After reading it, I think Herve is genuinely happy because of the increased competitiveness in the series and the factory investment towards the future of GP. Yamaha is doing the right thing, .... you Honda.

povol · Feb 7, 2014

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I was thinking the same thing, but there's an interview with him on crash and he explains what's going on and why Yamaha gave the open class such a good bike. After reading it, I think Herve is genuinely happy because of the increased competitiveness in the series and the factory investment towards the future of GP. Yamaha is doing the right thing, .... you Honda.

That interview with Herve sounds like a guy who blew a ....... gasket and was privately told to put on your happy face to the public, we will make this right, you will get the seamless transmission.

povol · Feb 7, 2014

....... Nicky, laugh my ... off. He aint buying Nakamoto's ........ excuses.

Nakamoto added that Hondas are “not easy to ride” and that it sometimes

takes up to a year to adjust, citing the example of LCR's Stefan Bradl.

I have a couple of habits from the Ducati that I need to adjust

to, but still I don't need a year to remember how to open the throttle

on the straightaway!” smiled Hayden. “That we need some help with.”

rezonator636 · Feb 7, 2014

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....... Nicky, laugh my ... off. He aint buying Nakamoto's ........ excuses.

Nakamoto added that Hondas are “not easy to ride” and that it sometimes

takes up to a year to adjust, citing the example of LCR's Stefan Bradl.

I have a couple of habits from the Ducati that I need to adjust

to, but still I don't need a year to remember how to open the throttle

on the straightaway!” smiled Hayden. “That we need some help with.”

I'm sure Nicky would love a chance to "adjust" to Bradl's bike.

eltoro · Feb 9, 2014

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I certainly think this puts a great deal of pressure on Honda to improve the 1000R. I can't imagine them being able to market and sell these bikes without further improvement. It'll be interesting to see how Honda responds in the coming weeks.

rezonator636

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According to Krop's tweets, Yamaha's entry as a factory team was more or less set in stone before the start of the season, and there's not enough time left to convince the board of directors otherwise.

Herve has been royally screwed, no doubt. If I was him, I'd be pissed that not only is my bike is more than half a second back of the open-class Yamaha, it's also well under a second ahead of Honda's asthmatic RCV. Perhaps it's not too late to switch to open class. I obviously don't know the terms of his lease agreement with Yamaha, but he has the right to demand changes, after spending that kind of money on those bikes.

You have to remember that the open bikes don't have some limitations that the factory bikes will have. Fuel limit and soft tyre options are two big ones. The soft tyre option may work very well at some tracks/particular conditions where it could give the factory bikes a run. But I'd have to say overall the balance is still tipped in the factory bikes favor. I don't think of Espargaro the Elder's performance to be this good during the season. This is testing after all.

I wouldn't expect to see drastic improvement from the HRC open bike. They'll need to improve the power output, but I think that is where the demand will end. They aren't going to want to invest too much in it. Why would they want to threaten the factory bike's position?

sewarion · Feb 10, 2014

man, this is so far off of threatening any factory bike, not even the Ducs. They need to improve the damn bike in order not to be totally embarassed by FTR-Yam, and potentially ART. They delivered a cheap joke, and Nakamoto already hinted that pneumatic valves might come, but will be expensive. Sort of a .... attitude, imo.

MigsAngel · Feb 10, 2014

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Nakamoto already hinted that pneumatic valves might come, but will be expensive. Sort of a .... attitude, imo.

i keep looking for any quote that hints of where Nakamoto says anything about the Proddy HRC getting the pneumatic valves in future....and I have seen nothing.....

Any link you might have or have seen would be helpful....

Personally, i think the proddy HRC wont get the Pneumatic valves since the bike can be sold to anyone at the end of its use....and releasing HRC secrets to the world and companies like Suzuki or even Ducati ....and i would think that HRC is not likely to ever want that to happen.....

sewarion · Feb 10, 2014

Nakamoto ruled out the ultra-secretive seamless shift gearbox finding its way onto the Production Racer, but left the door open for higher-revving pneumatic valve technology.

“Seamless transmission no, zero per cent [chance]. Pneumatic valve we may be able to do something. But the cost difference is big so we would need to ask the teams,” he said. “To put the pneumatic valve on the engine looks very similar but the chassis side is very different, because of the air [source]. The parts have to change a lot.”

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/200114/2/honda-responds-to-production-racer-criticism.html

povol · Feb 10, 2014

I just find it hard to believe that the Honda proddy engine is tuned to its maximum without having to go pneumatic valves to find more hp .Honda got hung out AGAIN by Dorna ....... around with rules at the last minute. They started building the and testing the proddy racer before Dorna decided to .... can the CRT's . That was who they thought they would be racing with and the times show it. By procrastinating on what they were going to do, Yamaha came out smelling like a rose. Honda has a bike that is doing what it was intended to do, run with the top CRT's on a price point that allowed Honda to break even or maybe even make a dollar, problem is, that aint the competition any longer.

MigsAngel · Feb 10, 2014

The funny thing is that if they give Aspar the pneumatic valves, and the proddy becomes as competitive as the yamaha or even the satellite hondas (god forbid as good as the factory hrc) then they will prove the HRC ECU makes little to no difference.....and so DORNA can say the standard ECU should be used by all....and HRC is left hanging, cause they hate the idea of the standard ECU.....

In my view they wont go ahead with pneumatic valves until 2015 ....

rezonator636 · Feb 10, 2014

Reading the article on crash.net again, Nakamoto indicates that the reason all of Honda's whiz-bang technology was left out of the RCV's engine was to protect Honda's proprietary tech against the claiming rule. Of course, now that the claiming rule is gone, all Honda is left with is an embarrasingly slow open-class bike.

The interesting thing is that most people (myself included) claim that Honda has undue influence over the rulebook (and they do; read this article at Cycle World for a great writeup on the subject: http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/29/ducati-set-to-shake-up-motogp-with-new-open-strategy/). This particular rule, however, has squarely gone against them. In the end, it doesn't mean much, as the factory Hondas still have a huge advantage from the 20L fuel limit, and we have yet to see a rule that can put a cap on Marquez's speed.

All this still doesn't absolve Honda from their deceptive advertising when it comes to the RCV. Honda claimed that the RCV was only 0.3 seconds slower than the factory bike in testing. Yes, it was only three-tenths slower, but that's because Stoner was riding the RCV and test rider Kousuke Akiyoshi was riding the factory machine. Honda should give the proddie teams pneumatic valves based on that alone.

povol · Feb 10, 2014

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Reading the article on crash.net again, Nakamoto indicates that the reason all of Honda's whiz-bang technology was left out of the RCV's engine was to protect Honda's proprietary tech against the claiming rule. Of course, now that the claiming rule is gone, all Honda is left with is an embarrasingly slow open-class bike.

The interesting thing is that most people (myself included) claim that Honda has undue influence over the rulebook (and they do; read this article at Cycle World for a great writeup on the subject: http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/29/ducati-set-to-shake-up-motogp-with-new-open-strategy/). This particular rule, however, has squarely gone against them. In the end, it doesn't mean much, as the factory Hondas still have a huge advantage from the 20L fuel limit, and we have yet to see a rule that can put a cap on Marquez's speed.

All this still doesn't absolve Honda from their deceptive advertising when it comes to the RCV. Honda claimed that the RCV was only 0.3 seconds slower than the factory bike in testing. Yes, it was only three-tenths slower, but that's because Stoner was riding the RCV and test rider Kousuke Akiyoshi was riding the factory machine. Honda should give the proddie teams pneumatic valves based on that alone.

I thought it was because they were selling the machine instead of leasing it, and the buyer could do with it whatever they wanted at the end of the season, including selling it. It seems like i remember Ducati sold some GP bikes to individual collectors with an understanding that they could not be ran or the cases cracked open.

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