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povol
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I thought it was because they  were selling the machine instead of leasing it, and the buyer could do with it whatever they wanted at the end of the season, including selling it. It seems like i remember Ducati sold some GP bikes to individual collectors with an understanding that they could not be ran or the cases cracked open.
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From Crash.net:


 


"In a nutshell, it seems that the Honda RCV1000R would have been eligible for the former CRT rules, where machinery could potentially be claimed, effectively limiting the level of technology due to confidentially concerns."


 


However, that was Crash.net's interpretation of Nakamoto's comments, so I probably jumped the gun in saying Nakamoto indicated that was the reason the RCV got a ...... engine. He said in the article that pneumatic valves were left out in order to keep the cost of the bike down (the RCV also has a lower spec transmission for the same reason).


 


Still, the confidentiality thing makes sense. Whether to protect against the claiming rule or RCV owners opening the engine and seeing what was inside, the end result is the same: they're trying to keep competitors from seeing their proprietary technology, which is perfectly reasonable. If the claiming rule was still in effect, or open-class bikes had to be sold instead of leased,  there's no way Yamaha would have taken Herve's old bikes and re-branded them as open-class machines.

 
 
rezonator636
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From Crash.net:


 


"In a nutshell, it seems that the Honda RCV1000R would have been eligible for the former CRT rules, where machinery could potentially be claimed, effectively limiting the level of technology due to confidentially concerns."


 


However, that was Crash.net's interpretation of Nakamoto's comments, so I probably jumped the gun in saying Nakamoto indicated that was the reason the RCV got a ...... engine. He said in the article that pneumatic valves were left out in order to keep the cost of the bike down (the RCV also has a lower spec transmission for the same reason).


 


Still, the confidentiality thing makes sense. Whether to protect against the claiming rule or RCV owners opening the engine and seeing what was inside, the end result is the same: they're trying to keep competitors from seeing their proprietary technology, which is perfectly reasonable. If the claiming rule was still in effect, or open-class bikes had to be sold instead of leased,  there's no way Yamaha would have taken Herve's old bikes and re-branded them as open-class machines.

 
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Nakamoto confirmed that if Honda was to offer last year's Factory class

bikes with the control ECU software, it could only be “for a lease

system because of confidentiality. We cannot sell the Factory machine.


 


Either way, like you said, its all about protecting trade secrets. Cant claim it, cant own it and sell it>
 
They seemed to have nailed themselves on the idea that the bike should be sold. Yamaha, on the other hand, weng down the lease path and as it seems, this was the better choice. Maybe Honda believed that after they announced that their proddy would be produced as 'for sale', the others (in this case Yamaha) would automatically follow this path. No they are lamenting a wrong decision that was made based upon wrong assumptions. This would fit quite nicely into the points made in the article Rezonator quoted further above.
 
sewarion
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They seemed to have nailed themselves on the idea that the bike should be sold. Yamaha, on the other hand, weng down the lease path and as it seems, this was the better choice. Maybe Honda believed that after they announced that their proddy would be produced as 'for sale', the others (in this case Yamaha) would automatically follow this path. No they are lamenting a wrong decision that was made based upon wrong assumptions. This would fit quite nicely into the points made in the article Rezonator quoted further above.
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I think you're on to something there, especially considering what Kevin Cameron wrote in his piece on Ducati in Cycle World. Honda sets the lead; the other Japanese manufacturers follow, or at least that's what Honda thought, right up to this first test.


 


I'd like to think this is a veiled "eff you" from Yamaha to Honda, a little payback for the 20L fuel limit, but what Povol said is a lot more likely. Yamaha dragged their feet on the whole Open class thing, and their procrastination has paid big dividends. It still won't affect much at the front of the grid, however.
 
rezonator636
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I think you're on to something there, especially considering what Kevin Cameron wrote in his piece on Ducati in Cycle World. Honda sets the lead; the other Japanese manufacturers follow, or at least that's what Honda thought, right up to this first test.


 


I'd like to think this is a veiled "eff you" from Yamaha to Honda, a little payback for the 20L fuel limit, but what Povol said is a lot more likely. Yamaha dragged their feet on the whole Open class thing, and their procrastination has paid big dividends. It still won't affect much at the front of the grid, however.
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I personally dont think its going to affect  top 7-8. I think in the end, the  Open Yamaha will find itself behind all four factory bikes, and all 4 satellite machines. Espargaro may finish higher than 9th due to misfortune on another rider, but i doubt he will out perform any of them if that makes any sense. They have yet to prove they can go race distance on the soft rubber, having only done 10 lap stints in rae simulations. I read what they are saying, but saying and doing are totally different animals.
 
Colin i love you brother, but this is a flat out admission that you are just to damn old to want to push that edge.


 


Edwards' team-mate Aleix Espargaro did little to banish that description

by finishing the test in a stunning fourth place, just 0.465s from the

unofficial record lap time by Factory Honda world champion Marc Marquez.


“Absolutely,”

replied Edwards, when asked if he was impressed by Espargaro. “How old

is he, 24? It'd be nice to be 24 again... Fresh balls. Young, dumb!


“He's doing great. Very impressive.”


 


No Colin, thats called riding like you need a job and dont have millions stashed away
 
povol
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Colin i love you brother, but this is a flat out admission that you are just to damn old to want to push that edge.


 


Edwards' team-mate Aleix Espargaro did little to banish that description

by finishing the test in a stunning fourth place, just 0.465s from the

unofficial record lap time by Factory Honda world champion Marc Marquez.


“Absolutely,”

replied Edwards, when asked if he was impressed by Espargaro. “How old

is he, 24? It'd be nice to be 24 again... Fresh balls. Young, dumb!


“He's doing great. Very impressive.”


 


No Colin, thats called riding like you need a job and dont have millions stashed away
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This more than anything proves it's time for Colin to hang it up; Aleix is mixing it up with the factory bikes while Colin finished behind-I repeat, behind-Nicky and his RCV. When you can't put a satellite machine in front of a glorified superbike, it's time to call it a career. He'd make a great commentator, though. 
 
sewarion
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would intresting to see what times Aleix could do on Nicky's bike..
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I'm curious about this as well. I'd guess he'd probably put up times similar to what he did on the ART, but slightly faster, as I'm gathering that's the max performance potential of the RCV.
 
rezonator636
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I'm curious about this as well. I'd guess he'd probably put up times similar to what he did on the ART, but slightly faster, as I'm gathering that's the max performance potential of the RCV.
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Considering the fact that it was built to to compete against the best CRT, thats exactly where he would be, and we would be celebrating the rebirth of Hayden instead of the coming out party of Espargaro if Nicky was on Open Yamaha.
 
povol
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Considering the fact that it was built to to compete against the best CRT, thats exactly where he would be, and we would be celebrating the rebirth of Hayden instead of the coming out party of Espargaro if Nicky was on Open Yamaha.
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Perhaps Nicky and Colin should switch places;) 
 
Didn't old man Edwards get the POS Kwacker up to speed for the last third of 2013 and out-perform Aleix on the killer ART a few times? Was he not faster than RDP on the ART all the time? And now a few months later... put him out to pasture! Gotta love the interwebs!!
 
Mick D
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Didn't old man Edwards get the POS Kwacker up to speed for the last third of 2013 and out-perform Aleix on the killer ART a few times? Was he not faster than RDP on the ART all the time? And now a few months later... put him out to pasture! Gotta love the interwebs!!
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If you look at last year's stats, you'll see that Aleix thoroughly kicked Colin's ..., just like he did at the Sepang test. Only at Sepang, they were on the same bike.


 


And that's the problem. Colin wasn't just slower than his teammate at Sepang, he was almost two seconds slower. He also finished behind the slowest bike on the grid (the RCV), while riding what was essentially a satellite machine. Yes, it was only the first test of the season, but that kind of performance is unnaceptable by any measure. NGM isn't paying millions to lease an M1 just so Colin can fight for scraps with the RCV riders.


 


And yes, Colin outperformed RDP last year, but that's a pretty low bar. Randy DNF'd six times last year (thought it was more, to be honest). He's hardly a paragon of riding skill at this point, ART or no.
 
Nakamoto is a real Honda man... unashamed to climb mirrors in his effort to justify his factory's arrogance. The Honda PR is their vision of what an 'open' MotoGP should be: a slow bike to be sold to 'also ran' teams, while the rules for full factory bikes are strangling Honda's competition Thanks a lot, Shuei, but we prefer Yamaha's (and Dorna's in this case) approach, because it offers some possibility to compete outside your "vision" of 5 engines and 20 liters, (and an army of software engineers working 24/7 to make that nonsense workable).


 


He says Yamaha is not in the 'open' spirit?! What? It's within the Open rules, no? so where's the problem? who decides which is the correct Open spirit? Honda again? Ahahahah. He even threatens to quit if Honda cannot enforce all the suffocating the rules they like? I'd say, that's the door, and good riddance. Let Honda go and BMW, Suzuki, Kawasaki, maybe KTM come and fill that "void". Really, who cares. :)
 
rezonator636
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From Crash.net:


 


"In a nutshell, it seems that the Honda RCV1000R would have been eligible for the former CRT rules, where machinery could potentially be claimed, effectively limiting the level of technology due to confidentially concerns."


 


However, that was Crash.net's interpretation of Nakamoto's comments, so I probably jumped the gun in saying Nakamoto indicated that was the reason the RCV got a ...... engine. He said in the article that pneumatic valves were left out in order to keep the cost of the bike down (the RCV also has a lower spec transmission for the same reason).


 


Still, the confidentiality thing makes sense. Whether to protect against the claiming rule or RCV owners opening the engine and seeing what was inside, the end result is the same: they're trying to keep competitors from seeing their proprietary technology, which is perfectly reasonable. If the claiming rule was still in effect, or open-class bikes had to be sold instead of leased,  there's no way Yamaha would have taken Herve's old bikes and re-branded them as open-class machines.

 
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STUPID.  How the fucc does that keep the cost down?  Technology in designing a 'wheel' cost more then a square block?  Stupid, just stupid.
 
I think Nakamoto mentioned somewhere that he misread (or didn't read carefully) the open-class rules. This reminded me of the Phillip Island incident where miscommunication resulted in DNF for MM. Honda, for sure, are master engineers, but not well versed in English/communicating. I just feel bad for Nicky & Scott at the moment.
 
livewoutlimit
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I think Nakamoto mentioned somewhere that he misread (or didn't read carefully) the open-class rules. This reminded me of the Phillip Island incident where miscommunication resulted in DNF for MM. Honda, for sure, are master engineers, but not well versed in English/communicating. I just feel bad for Nicky & Scott at the moment.
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According to crash.net, that was a "tongue-in-cheek" comment. But when you read his comments, it really does sound like they were confused. 
 
Yes Nakamoto cannot read... and I've got some prime Florida land I can sell you, or maybe your in the mood for a bridge?
 

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