Testing starts tomorrow

are there any speed trap numbers about? be interesting to see how the extra fuel goes with the open bikes.

really hope this is the first sign of yamaha walking honda through the betrayal garden.


think about what damage that ftr package could do with 12 instead of 5 engines.


honda shafting everyone again and hayden of all people falls for it, theres a surprise

Final, not much change.


1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 59.926s (Lap 38/65)

2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 2m 0.336s | +0.410s (12/61)

3. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 2m 0.339s | +0.413s (13/52)

4. Valentino Rossi ITA Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 2m 0.464s | +0.538s (18/60)

5. Aleix Espargaro ESP NGM Mobile Forward Racing (FTR-M1) 2m 0.547s | +0.621s (16/42)

6. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing (YZR-M1) 2m 0.573s | +0.647s (27/49)

7. Bradley Smith GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 2m 0.603s | +0.677s (27/66)

8. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 2m 0.855s | +0.929s (9 /48)

9. Alvaro Bautista ESP Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RC213V) 2m 0.897s | +0.971s (51/55)

10. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 2m 1.061s | +1.135s (4 /48)

11. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 2m 1.146s | +1.220s (8 /45)

12. Cal Crutchlow GBR Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 2m 1.396s | +1.470s (11/47)

13. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Test Rider (Desmosedici) 2m 2.177s | +2.251s (6 /56)

14. Nicky Hayden USA Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 2m 2.287s | +2.361s (25/58)

15. Colin Edwards USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing (FTR-M1) 2m 2.545s | +2.619s (8 /35)

16. Yonny Hernandez COL Pramac Racing (Desmosedici) 2m 2.675s | +2.749s (13/45)

17. Kosuke Akiyoshi JPN Honda Test Rider 2m 2.692s | +2.766s (8 /68)

18. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Drive M7 Aspar (RCV1000R) 2m 2.825s | +2.899s (65/66)

19. Katsuyuki Nakasuga JPN Yamaha Test Rider (YZR-M1) 2m 2.970s | +3.044s (49/56)

20. Randy de Puniet FRA Suzuki Test Rider (XRH-1) 2m 3.064s | +3.138s (73/96)

21. Scott Redding GBR Go&Fun Honda Gresini (RCV1000R) 2m 3.117s | +3.191s (39/52)

22. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 2m 3.528s | +3.602s (37/41)

23. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki) 2m 4.551s | +4.625s (2 /37)

24. Broc Parkes AUS Paul Bird Motorsport (PBM-ART) 2m 4.619s | +4.693s (42/43)

25. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing (RCV1000R) 2m 5.261s | +5.335s (21/32)

26. Mike di Meglio FRA Avintia Blusens (FTR-Kawasaki) 2m 5.355s | +5.429s (4 /34)

big suprise so far Aleix and the FTR-Yam, even more so today than yesterday.

Proddy Honda a bit better, but nowhere near. But Hayden called it a 'power issue' mainly, so I think Honda will be filling in much more of it as testing progresses. It seems they startet with the cheapest solution and decided to have a look at it, whereas Yamaha delivered a much further developed package. Plus Aleix seems to be perfectly suited to wringing out bikes that are not uber-complex as far as electronics are concerned.

Duc are in the .... as always, taking too long (2 days) to find their limit/ceiling, which is too far off (about 1 sec). Should go open class.

Must take a look at the lap charts. Almost every rider setting his fastest lap quite early could mean they were doing race sims - those lap times would be good to compare.

Suzuki should have stayed with the V4, although FTR are just thrashing my theory that an I4 requires more sophisticated electronics. Still, they are 3 seconds off. That's about 2 secs with a decent rider onboard, so they would place between the Ducs and proddy Hondas. Irritating, this whole 'project'.

<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;1. Marc Marquez - No surprises there...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;2. Dani Pedrosa  - Must be getting nervous already
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;3. Stefan Bradl - May start to take the fight to MM
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;4. Valentino Rossi - TOP Yamaha again - Fck the Rossi haters...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;5. Aleix Espargaro - Showing the open class has some real potential
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;6. Jorge Lorenzo - Hmmm....He must be doing fuel race simulations
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;7. Bradley Smith - Deserves his spot on grid afterall
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;8. Andrea Iannone - Switched off brain and twisted the right wrist a little harder...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;9. Alvaro Bautista - Joke...Redding should have his bike...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;10. Pol Espargaro - Rookie level as expected....
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;11. Andrea Dovizioso - Looking forward to be anywhere else in 2015 already
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;12. Cal Crutchlow - Laughing all the way to the bank, and quietly crying in his motorhome...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;13. Michele Pirro - More and more laps and still not much progress
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;14. Nicky Hayden - the great americant hero...more power wont solve his problems...
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;15. Colin Edwards - wondering why his teammate is running all over him...ah yes age!
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;16. Yonny Hernandez - proving an open Ducati wont make any difference 
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;17. Kosuke Akiyoshi - Testing testing 1, 2, 3....
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;18. Hiroshi Aoyama - Proud and Happy to work for Honda....
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;19. Katsuyuki Nakasuga - Yamaha test rider job....and very little to do really


<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;20. Randy de Puniet - Making Suzuki think twice about entering at all....
<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;21. Scott Redding - Young and lacking experience by end of testing he will be ahead of other on same bike...
and the rest.....zzzzzz

only MM (7 laps), DP (9) and BS (15) did longer runs. MM rode in the low 01s, DP in the mid 01s, and BS in the low 02s. not really conclusive, a shamr that none of the other riders was doing longer stints.

any infos on crashes, btw?

I'm pleasantly surprised by Bradl; he's really hauling ... so far this test. I'm thinking JLo hasn't really shown what he can do yet. But the performance of the Honda proddie is hilariously bad.


 


A side note, showing how terrible the Ducatis are: Krop tweeted that Hayden had to re-learn how to ride a motorcycle after spending so much time on the Ducatis. The extra second he gained in yesterday's session was solely from braking deeper.

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I'm pleasantly surprised by Bradl; he's really hauling ... so far this test. I'm thinking JLo hasn't really shown what he can do yet. But the performance of the Honda proddie is hilariously bad.

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I think it is too early to judge, Bradl has shown his speed already a few times last year, in particular over one lap with fresh tires. But he is a very methodical worker, so I think that some progress can be expected - and this is also what HRC are expecting of him. I doubt that he can take it to MM and JL (once he sorted the bike out he will be ahead of Rossi, no doubt). But I think Pedrosa and Rossi are certainly in reach, but we will know a bit more after tomorrow's race sims.

Dani tested the new soft Bridgestone rear tyre, which he set his fastest lap on, and will try the harder compound tomorrow. He also did general set up work and a chassis comparison, looking to confirm his feelings tomorrow and focus on the direction for the season..

Now that is interesting, as Lorenzo dubbed both new compounds as bad for the M1. After the infamous 2012 front, are Bridgestone 'helping' Honda this time?

As I comprehend this, the Yam times were set on the old compound, whereas at least Pedrosa did his on the new soft and MM was 'positive' about the new hard and soft.

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I think it is too early to judge, Bradl has shown his speed already a few times last year, in particular over one lap with fresh tires. But he is a very methodical worker, so I think that some progress can be expected - and this is also what HRC are expecting of him. I doubt that he can take it to MM and JL (once he sorted the bike out he will be ahead of Rossi, no doubt). But I think Pedrosa and Rossi are certainly in reach, but we will know a bit more after tomorrow's race sims.

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I don't think he'll take it to MM or JL either. I don't think anyone will once those two get going. But it would be excellent to see a three-man fight for the third spot on the podium all season.

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Cal and Dovi posting the same times I find interesting.  I don't rate Cal much better than Dovi.  Instead, I suspect that both of them are simply extracting the max out of the machine making it difficult to differentiate the two of them. 


 


No? 


 


Bradly made a bit of a move also. 

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Probably right, same with Dovi & Nicky last year both doing theyre own thing and ending up in the last corner at the same time.

So anyone with a production honda will be looking down the back of the sofa for spare change & begging honda for pneumatic valves

Always remember: John Hopkins dominated 2007 pre season & didn't win a race, it's only testing

Before the circle jerk ensues over Aleix: 


 


NGM M1> Tech3 M1


 


Basically the same bike where one is limited and the other is unlimited.  The standard ECU is Marelli kit, that is state of the art practically, so the 24L vs the 20 is the big white performance advantage elephant in the room provided it being used on an already factory produced prototype such as is the M1 being use by NGM.  Lorenzo said the biggest problem so far has been the limited fuel!  The reason: It has made the electronic delivery of power rough.  A problem obviously not experienced with 24L.  Which will be interesting as the season progresses, given I doubt Herve will be none to pleased that he is paying more for a limited bike given he literally handed his previous M1s to NGM.


 


And now that Bstone's product are looking favorable to HRC's bikes, it looks like stacking the rules is finally paying off.  Krop provided the link to an excellent analysis of the politics in GP (something this forum has provided in spades for years), though of course it goes ignored or downplayed as tin-foiling once we start proposing the 'actual effects of such a reality' (cake and eating it must taste delicious).

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Before the circle jerk ensues over Aleix: 


 


NGM M1> Tech3 M1


 


Basically the same bike where one is limited and the other is unlimited.  The standard ECU is Marelli kit, that is state of the art practically, so the 24L vs the 20 is the big white performance advantage elephant in the room provided it being used on an already factory produced prototype such as is the M1 being use by NGM.  Lorenzo said the biggest problem so far has been the limited fuel!  The reason: It has made the electronic delivery of power rough.  A problem obviously not experienced with 24L.  Which will be interesting as the season progresses, given I doubt Herve will be none to pleased that he is paying more for a limited bike given he literally handed his previous M1s to NGM.


 


And now that Bstone's product are looking favorable to HRC's bikes, it looks like stacking the rules is finally paying off.  Krop provided the link to an excellent analysis of the politics in GP (something this forum has provided in spades for years), though of course it goes ignored or downplayed as tin-foiling once we start proposing the 'actual effects of such a reality' (cake and eating it must taste delicious).

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I checked Julian Ryder's twitter after reading Yakamoto's post in the other forum. It's the same engine, frame, and swingarm as last year's satellite bike. In other words, a Tech 3 bike with more fuel, exactly as you said. This, of course, is the reason Honda claims Yamaha is violating the "spirt of the rules" with this bike.


 


I had thought Aleix was showing glimpses of being an alien, but this definitely puts everything in a different light. The question now is, what does Yamaha give Herve to make up for the fact that they charged him twice as much as NGM for the same bike? Technically, Herve has last year's factory machine, where NGM have last year's satellite, but that doesn't seem to matter on the time sheets.


 


At least we can be sure of one thing: the Ducatis are still .....

Well perhaps having the more basic electronics isn't much of a disadvantage when you have enough fuel to load a nice smooth torquey engine map & let the rider thrash it.


It'll probably be a bit less smooth into corners & suffer a tad more tyre wear. It'll be interesting to see how it goes In race conditions, wheel to wheel with other bikes

You can't take anything away from Aleix, go look at how long it took other riders to go fast on their first year with the M1. He's never riden anything like it and he's already got it up to speed. Big kudos to his crew as well, it may be an old M1, but they obviously don't have the years of experience that the factory and Tech 3 have with the bike, they're doing damn good with a new to them bike and software package.