<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 21 2008, 04:00 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This: "a rider who runs the same TC gear" is about as meaning full as to say that two persons having the same PC hardware should produce the same results regardless of softweare installed. Lets install PhotoShop into one of them, and let the other use paint and lets look at the results.
Well at least you now talk like you get it ..... but who is running Paint and who is running Photoshop??
Ducati ot Yamaha ??
I stand by what I said, there have been a plethora of reasons given by Rossi fans as to why Stoner did not earn his WC, or at the least to downplay the achievement. It is probably due in part to the close finsish in 06 whereby many Rossi fans felt Hayden did not deserve his win, and I guess that momentum of ill feeling toward other competitors has merely carried on into the next year ( 07 ) even with the insurmountable proof supplied by Stoner that he indeed dominated this years competition. We have all manners of reasons why Rossi did not win, but there seems little real thought to any valid or even partially justifiable reasons why.
Nobody ..... not even Stoner or Rossi or Pedrosa or any of there mechanics can say who has the most "helpful" TC ....... programming of TC would be a very guarded secret ...... thats GP .... its about finding an innovation and then applying it. SO to say Stoner's TC helped him the most is a ridiculous statement ........ to go further one can easily see why such ridiculous statements have gotten such discussion ...... its another way of playing down the achievement of a rider who has beaten the rider that many fans believed is the rider who was to have won.
On a more rational note though, I saw that the idea of a ban is now dropped and indeed Rossi himself has said that they have better TC on the 08 yam.
But the main thing I hope we see this year is a bit more of the old Rossi, with the tenacity he used to have ...... something that he did not exhibit as much in 07 as he did in previous years. Unlike many I don't fell that this takes one little thing away from him, he is still a top 3 rider in the top formula ..... thats pretty good. Now had Rossi come out earlier and said, we just have to get better with setting up our bike, to match Stoner and Pedrosa, then it would have been an honourable reply and reason for the unforfilled expectations in 07, but to start saying:
........ other riders are on better bikes ............ ( nobody knows this nor given that each bike has been very painstakingly set developed and setup for each rider ) ....... adhoc comparisons may appease some but are merely an acceptable pointless distraction for others
.........or better tyres, ............ even though the winning rider alone stood out on the "better tyres", but meh I think riders should be able to pull tyres from whichever brand they wish ...... even say a Bridgestone front and a Michelin rear if they so thought it suited them better.
.........or have to use TC and even suggest that were it not for TC things would have been different disregarding the whole intention and adjustablity of programmed electronics on a bike ...... again nobody knows this ....... unless say both Rossi and Stoner swapped bikes after each race and assessed each others TC systems, and were able to be objective about it, then nobody knows who's "TC is more helpful" ......... and even then I think Stoner would claim his suits him better and Rossi claim his suits him .... as it should be. I sometimes wonder perhaps folk on here are just so used to model XYZ production bike that they have no real idea of the "mechano set" of parts and software that is a GP bike ....
I comment on these threads because I like to see a good ride and a good rider put together races and maybe a WC at the end ...... and Rossi was great to see at his best.
But I do find all of these suggestions that another rider ( Stoner in 07 and Hayden in 06 ) did not really deserve their win whether by implication or whatever, quite demeaning to all riders out there.
Even so I can't blame Rossi ...... even if I am correct and he is no longer at his peak ... it would be very difficult for him to see, perhaps in 10 years when he is somewhat removed from the "thick" of competition can he evaluate this. I am older and I have long ago been though situations whereby I no longer am willing to do some things, I now like to think we just get more "sensible" with age, or perhaps bones are brittler, or lounge chairs more enticing
and hence are not as "gung ho" as we were once. This to me is where Rossi is at, I may be wrong, but I assess watching him ride and watching the results.
Electronics is part ad parcel of modern day bikes ..... sure not many folk out there hook their PC up to their everyday bikes to adjust it to get a few extra hundredths of a second out of them ...... but when has your average production bike been that simillar to a GP machine?? ........ would you really want it to be? .....
GP bikes were allways handy as a development formula and the fact that they were so "mechano" and adjustable made them the most efficient formula for motorcycle companies to find new inovations that often would be incorporated on production machines. Electronics surround us in todays world and many inovations in electronics benefit us. If such a currently prominent area of inovation as electronics and TC is banned ....... where will these things be developed and tested to such accuracy and obvious effect by results ..... if not motogp.
To that effect I kinda like the current formula ..... it encompasses areas of concern for all automotive users, efficiency ( 800cc with 21 L ), and to achieve this manufacturers are being innovative with electronics. Safety ( nobody wants to lose another Kato ) every road user wants the same. And the goal of the manufacturers is to market their product ...... nothing sells bikes like winning a championship ...... if the manufacturer can show that they can produce a bike that fits the formula and is the winner of a seasons racing whilst doing that ...... then we get better bikes.
Do you really want to have your fututre bikes ignore the benefits to be gained by testing ways manufacturers have found to make them better? We could still have drum brakes, cable clutches, wire spoked wheels, contact breaker ignitions, lawnmower carburetors etc. etc. etc. Its innovation ... motogp has allways been a great way to inovate....... for the sake of the future of motogp I hope the FIM hold off Dorna. Banning TC and electronics may appease the fans for the next few years ..... but then for the next 10 years??
