Support Electronics Ban

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mochrifqi @ Jan 17 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've signed it...
800 cc, no Electronics at all
That's worth to wait...

Wow ..... you do realise who that will suit don't you?

all the riders who are freshest off smaller bikes with little electronics ..... Stoner, Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, De Angels ........

Seems odd you'd want that if you are a true Rossi fan he has been used to 990 with all the latest electronics for a few years now ....

but meh .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 17 2008, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow ..... you do realise who that will suit don't you?

all the riders who are freshest off smaller bikes with little electronics ..... Stoner, Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, De Angels ........

Seems odd you'd want that if you are a true Rossi fan he has been used to 990 with all the latest electronics for a few years now ....

but meh .....

yea it would suit the Honda best like it has been a hard bike to beat in the past.
Rossi tho will always be top dog without TC... experience and skill and track knowledge come more into play.

the ducati would need stabilizers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 15 2008, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this is 2004, might be 2003 correct me if i'm wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbuqt1Zq-ds
Wow, what an awsome vid.

Where do I sign up to ban 800s and bring back 990s?

(BTW: 250 riders a simply a feeder class to MotoGP. Anybody who thinks otherwise is simply wrong or .........)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 17 2008, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi tho will always be top dog without TC...

How do you figure that? he hasn't ridden without "electronics aids" for as long as 4 strokes have been here ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 17 2008, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow ..... you do realise who that will suit don't you?

all the riders who are freshest off smaller bikes with little electronics ..... Stoner, Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, De Angels ........

Seems odd you'd want that if you are a true Rossi fan he has been used to 990 with all the latest electronics for a few years now ....

but meh .....

Where the hell are you from? The fresh ones will gain from no TC! Can't just go all the way out and claim the earth is flat

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 17 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where the hell are you from? The fresh ones will gain from no TC! Can't just go all the way out and claim the earth is flat

I swear you read my stuff back to front ...... my point was that no TC will suit the recently no TC guys ..... you do see you are agreeing with me don't you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 17 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I swear you read my stuff back to front ...... my point was that no TC will suit the recently no TC guys ..... you do see you are agreeing with me don't you?

In this regard there are two kinds of riders in MotoGp, those that have experience from little or no TC on a top class bike, and those without that experience. Guess who have the advantage.
And try again if you think that those with recent "no tc" 250's experience have an advantage in anything.
The power is what really separated the big bikes from the smaller. That's what the new riders have respect for, and also why they state the bike with TC was so "easy" to ride. The expect a monster but get a big version of their 250. Taking TC away will bring back some of the beast in MotoGP and it will most definatly make it harder for the rookies. I think that is a good thing. The MotoGP shouldn't be the 250's big brother, it shoud be it's daddy

But this is not really about who gains and who doesn't. Or shouldn't we belive Stoner when he says it's all about throttle control, even now with the current TC. But there are others with a lot more experience in that game and they will certainly not be at any disadvantage.
But don't worrie about him, he will mange as he allready have so much ecperience on the 800 and being at the limit riding it, so will the riders comming this year, but if a ban arrives next year, don't expect that years rookies to do as well as the rookies in the recent years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 18 2008, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In this regard there are two kinds of riders in MotoGp, those that have experience from little or no TC on a top class bike, and those without that experience. Guess who have the advantage.
And try again if you think that those with recent "no tc" 250's experience have an advantage in anything.
The power is what really separated the big bikes from the smaller. That's what the new riders have respect for, and also why they state the bike with TC was so "easy" to ride. The expect a monster but get a big version of their 250. Taking TC away will bring back some of the beast in MotoGP and it will most definatly make it harder for the rookies. I think that is a good thing. The MotoGP shouldn't be the 250's big brother, it shoud be it's daddy

But this is not really about who gains and who doesn't. Or shouldn't we belive Stoner when he says it's all about throttle control, even now with the current TC. But there are others with a lot more experience in that game and they will certainly not be at any disadvantage.
But don't worrie about him, he will mange as he allready have so much ecperience on the 800 and being at the limit riding it, so will the riders comming this year, but if a ban arrives next year, don't expect that years rookies to do as well as the rookies in the recent years.


one minute you guys are all saying how TC is such a "big bad influence" then you are saying but its only so for a few!! ???

If by the reasoning TC is so influential .... then by that same reasoning its removal will also be influential ...... or am I missing the fairytale part that comes into the equation ??

You are just convincing me more and more that all the TC "naysaying" is a ploy by disgruntled fans to recover some sense of self justification for their unforfilled dreams.

and yet I think you have touched on the reality of what was the big change in motogp ........ 990>800 ...... I think that has had far more effect than any dropping of TC or ABS or Engine Mapping or going back to "manual control" or whatever ( and TC and ABS can be done in engine mapping, just clock for any rapid "abnormal" engine rev. fluctuations and adjust the power out accordingly ) .

my last comment on this subject

when they went from 990 to 800 the rider aids should be less active not more active, i thought the power down from 990 to 800 was enough but instead they added a double helping of it so nursery school riders can just jump on the bike and go.

if you cant use or control the bike properly without being swamped by rider aids then you shouldnt be riding the bike, just like if you cant handle or control the power that goes to the real wheel then tough .... again you shouldnt be riding the dam thing.

what the hell happend to rider control?? why dont we just go all out and ask for auto pilot just incase the riders get tired...???

dont know about you guys but i want to rubber lines on the track and a smoking rear tyre please, atleast then we can see the real riders who use knowledge and skill to keep the bike on the track and prove they can handle the power, these days any .... knocker can ride one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 16 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where do I sign up to ban 800s and bring back 990s?

(BTW: 250 riders a simply a feeder class to MotoGP. Anybody who thinks otherwise is simply wrong or .........)

Amen.

The 990s were worth their weight in gold. Ezy is such a little whore.

Yes. The 250 class is nothing but a feeder. They have severely restricted talent and the smaller classes are irrelevant when judged as a world championship.

Banning TC would not help the children race better. A harsh extended learning curve is what separated the men from the boys in the premier class. Only the highly talented and mentally tough persevered. Today's kids have very little "learning" to do other than to learn new marks. They can be as mentally tough as my spoiled sister and still hang around the premier class.

A TC ban would send half of the children packing. RDP would probably be dead already. Stoner would be recovering and hoping to pull a Doohan. Pedrosa would still be riding his weedwacker. Dovi, DeAngelis, Lorenzo would all be shaking in their cute, unscuffed little riding boots like the rookies of old used to.

Wow, the mystique is gone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 17 2008, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, what an awsome vid.

Where do I sign up to ban 800s and bring back 990s?

(BTW: 250 riders a simply a feeder class to MotoGP. Anybody who thinks otherwise is simply wrong or .........)

+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 17 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are just convincing me more and more that all the TC "naysaying" is a ploy by disgruntled fans to recover some sense of self justification for their unforfilled dreams.

You could have had a point unless about all ex champions around alive says the same thing. Lot's of the racers say the same thing. Lot's commentators say the same thing...
But then again they are all part of the disgrunted fans making ploys "to recover some sense of self justification for their unforfilled dreams"? now THAT's worth a pair of rolly eyes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jan 15 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINKY

Everyone who supports and races Moto GP knows the growing Probelm in Electronics making the sport very boring to watch.

Moto GP has'nt always been like this but the new addition of Traction Control has made the sport that was thrilling, unpredictable and close racing in to far spread and boring races.

But there is some hope for Moto GP and that is to help the banning of Electronics by joining this support site on banning it. The link to the site is http://bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5241378902 , you need to create an account and sign the blog.

The creaters of the site are going to E-Mail the FIM and if he have enough people supporting the ban we may be able to get electronics out of the sport.

The head of the FIM knows that Moto GP riders Rossi, Cappirossi and Barros all support the ban on electronics.

Thank you for your support if you join.
i support the ban. you can tell it's ruining the sport when a nobody like hayboy and moaner win championships.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 17 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i support the ban. you can tell it's ruining the sport when a nobody like hayboy and moaner win championships.
Don't worry, now that its a fact that Kawasaki has offered Rossi the first born of every Japanese citizen and the fact that he has Dorna in his back pocket, then maybe "The MotoGP Champion Whiner" can be gifted another title to make it 8.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 17 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Don't worry, now that its a fact that Kawasaki has offered Rossi the first born of every Japanese citizen and the fact that he has Dorna in his back pocket, then maybe "The MotoGP Champion Whiner" can be gifted another title to make it 8.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 18 2008, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i support the ban. you can tell it's ruining the sport when a nobody like hayboy and moaner win championships.

Here we can see the real reasoning behind why some think Motogp is "busted" ... ie. to Roger if Rossi was winning .... all would be fine

I even wonder if it didn't matter if they were all on "mobility aids" running around at 10km/h ...... so long as Rossi is in front ..... all is well

If a "Hayboy" and a "Moaner" won ....... then how good are all the others

Indeed the "moaner" won by quite a margin !! ...... over his next "mobility aid" rival

Come to think of it if TC and "electronics are banned ....... mobility aids will be the new "high-tech formula" So Rossi will be prime to fit right in




oh dear ..... inadvertently I have already given the Rossi fan base an excuse for 2036 ..... yes yes I know Stoner has 4 wheels instead of 3 ..... but look I figure Rossi can ride around that .... as you keep saying

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 17 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow ..... you do realise who that will suit don't you?

all the riders who are freshest off smaller bikes with little electronics ..... Stoner, Pedrosa, Dovi, Lorenzo, De Angels ........

Seems odd you'd want that if you are a true Rossi fan he has been used to 990 with all the latest electronics for a few years now ....

but meh .....


Former GP Champion Kevin Schwantz has been tested all of the bikes. And he said that Rossi's bike is the "MOST LESS ELECTRONICS" than the others. That's my point.
I think Babelfish up there is getting my point. MotoGP without (or less) electronics will become more "wild" to ride and certainly need riders with more guts. (Rossi is my fave )
I hope this season will be better (and more excitement) than last season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 18 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Here we can see the real reasoning behind why some think Motogp is "busted" ... ie. to Roger if Rossi was winning .... all would be fine

I even wonder if it didn't matter if they were all on "mobility aids" running around at 10km/h ...... so long as Rossi is in front ..... all is well

If a "Hayboy" and a "Moaner" won ....... then how good are all the others

Indeed the "moaner" won by quite a margin !! ...... over his next "mobility aid" rival

Come to think of it if TC and "electronics are banned ....... mobility aids will be the new "high-tech formula" So Rossi will be prime to fit right in




oh dear ..... inadvertently I have already given the Rossi fan base an excuse for 2036 ..... yes yes I know Stoner has 4 wheels instead of 3 ..... but look I figure Rossi can ride around that .... as you keep saying
you see, you subconsciously gave casey moaner 4 wheels and only 3 for rossi because you know deep down superior electronics is the reason why moaner could keep it on the black stuff and his drastic change in form from 06 to 07.
but i dare say the others tc systems will have caught up by the time 08 season starts, then we will all be in for a real processional treat. but if casey wins im sure you will be happpy regardless of how boring and uneventful the race was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mochrifqi @ Jan 18 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Former GP Champion Kevin Schwantz has been tested all of the bikes. And he said that Rossi's bike is the "MOST LESS ELECTRONICS" than the others. That's my point.


Where'd he say that!!??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 18 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you see, you subconsciously gave casey moaner 4 wheels and only 3 for rossi because you know deep down superior electronics is the reason why moaner could keep it on the black stuff and his drastic change in form from 06 to 07.
but i dare say the others tc systems will have caught up by the time 08 season starts, then we will all be in for a real processional treat. but if casey wins im sure you will be happpy regardless of how boring and uneventful the race was.

you think??

hmmmm ..... fancy me not seeing that


So now Stoner had "the most electronics" did he?





Anyway ....... don't you remember Rog.? ....... I'm possibly going to be Pedrosa's No.1 fan this year..