Superbikes VS MotoGP Which is the premier class ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nothing against wsb, but's its motogp for me everytime,racing prototypes should be the pinicle because its that technology thats past down to wsb and street bikes not the other way.
as well as the riders all wanting to go & prove they'er #1. & u have to be in gp's for that.

MotoGP, that's why we're all here, right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Feb 1 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGP, that's why we're all here, right?

I wonder what people on a superbike forum would say to this question.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder what people on a superbike forum would say to this question.

Probably something insightful like "Foggy was better than Doohan."

To me, superbikes is like touring cars, MotoGP (i still think that is a crap name!) is like F1. Nothing to do with the real world and all the better for it!

Pete


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably something insightful like "Foggy was better than Doohan."

To me, superbikes is like touring cars, MotoGP (i still think that is a crap name!) is like F1. Nothing to do with the real world and all the better for it!

Pete

Sorry if that last post sounds a bit smug and dismissive, but surely even the most hardcore diesel fan knows they aint the top step?

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably something insightful like "Foggy was better than Doohan."

To me, superbikes is like touring cars, MotoGP (i still think that is a crap name!) is like F1. Nothing to do with the real world and all the better for it!

Pete
Sorry if that last post sounds a bit smug and dismissive, but surely even the most hardcore diesel fan knows they aint the top step?

Pete

Yes i agree. No matter how much of a superbike fan someone is i'd be surprised if they actually thought it was above Gp racing. Not many people are foolish enough to claim touring car drivers are better than the mighty F1 pilots.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Feb 1 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Pete, but it a mistake to say it took someone from another level to ride a 500cc 2 stroke to the limit every week !

What about Garry McCoy ?
What about Abe ?
What about McWilliams ?
What about Alex Barros ?

All 500cc greats, well apart from McWilliams, but nowhere on superbike.



McCoy struggled to win once everybody had copied his 16.5 tire choice and ridden it faster than him, so i don't consider him a great.

Abe underperformed for his entire career. His first ride was incredible. But works Honda and huge home advantage.......Then he falls off from trying too hard.

Barros had a single year on an average bike in superbikes. I mentioned this earlier, but if he'd been riding works ducati in 2007 you would have to re-think the term "nowhere"

Do you want a list of Excellent superbike riders who are nowhere in gp's.

Bayliss, Edwards, Hodgeson, Xuas, Mkenzie, Kocinski, Corser, Chili, roche, Mladin, Russel, Haga.....the list could continue

Well i have listed most of the main ones i can think of already, but if a list 3 times the size of yours isn't convincing enough i'll have to have a bit of a think about it. To be continued............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Feb 1 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bigger list Please !
walker

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Feb 1 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Pete, but it a mistake to say it took someone from another level to ride a 500cc 2 stroke to the limit every week !

What about Garry McCoy ?
What about Abe ?
What about McWilliams ?
What about Alex Barros ?

All 500cc greats, well apart from McWilliams, but nowhere on superbike.




Well for starters McWilliams never won a 500 GP, and how many races did the other 3 win in total?

All the above riders are in the twilight of their careers, and can hardly be used as benchmarks for differences between the two classes.

How many times did 500 riders jump onto diesels and win Suzuka?

Its not a mistake to say it takes a special rider to push a 500 2 stroke to the limit every week, its fact. The power characteristics of 2 strokes made them peakier and harder to ride than the 750 fours and Ducatis of that era.

Scott Russell pointed out the differences when he made the quote about a mistake on a GP bike meant "Waking up in the medical tent with Dr Costa shooting Novacaine up your ..." Oh yeah What about Scott Russell? a world superbike champ that did jack on a 2 stroke.

Pete





<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well i have listed most of the main ones i can think of already, but if a list 3 times the size of yours isn't convincing enough i'll have to have a bit of a think about it. To be continued............


Well, considering "King" carl couldnt even get a GP ride, just like Slighty and god knows how many others I think the point has been made quite convincingly.

Pete

as far as the hardest, most excerting form of mtorcycle racing iam def going to have to say motocross/supercross.

and any one who has ever raced on dirt and tarmac will confirm this hands down. iam not saying that gp/spbk boys are not fit far from it. but the likes of everts, carmicheal are so fit you would not believe it. any one who can take a 40 min. moto + 2 laps is an iron man.

i dont see much dif in the top 5 of each class, although it has to be said that some do prefer the more combersome spbk to the gp counter part. reasons for this could be the riders background i.e. what he started out on and how quicky he can react to the machine he is put on. but there are riders who can jump on a 125, get of that jump on a 1000, go quick on that, then a 600 or a 250. what iam trying to say is that some adapt quicker than others and when they dont perhaps the team around them start to wonder what they are doing with a rider who doesnt produce the goods, which is what i think might have happened to baylis in the end of his time at ducati.

oh and racejumkie i disagree on who has the best motocross, yes ama supercross is the best in the world and yes carmicheal was an enigma but who kicked bubba's ... at the des nations by quite a margin
although i would have loved to see ricky and stefan go head to head but now we might never know, unless ricky has a go at supermoto and comes over to the biggest supermoto race in the world at mettet in belguim

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Feb 1 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Pete, but it a mistake to say it took someone from another level to ride a 500cc 2 stroke to the limit every week !

What about Garry McCoy ?
What about Abe ?
What about McWilliams ?
What about Alex Barros ?

All 500cc greats, well apart from McWilliams, but nowhere on superbike.



Actually, wasnt that the first verse from Michael Jacksons Earth Song?

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, considering "King" carl couldnt even get a GP ride, just like Slighty and god knows how many others I think the point has been made quite convincingly.

Pete

Who is stupid enough to give a 500 to a guy who can't even adapt his style for a different type of world superbike. I mean what a poor effort that was. There obviously wasn't much wrong with it considering slight beat him in that championship and Little John took the title on it th very next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sb248 @ Feb 1 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as far as the hardest, most excerting form of mtorcycle racing iam def going to have to say motocross/supercross.

and any one who has ever raced on dirt and tarmac will confirm this hands down. iam not saying that gp/spbk boys are not fit far from it. but the likes of everts, carmicheal are so fit you would not believe it. any one who can take a 40 min. moto + 2 laps is an iron man.

i dont see much dif in the top 5 of each class, although it has to be said that some do prefer the more combersome spbk to the gp counter part. reasons for this could be the riders background i.e. what he started out on and how quicky he can react to the machine he is put on. but there are riders who can jump on a 125, get of that jump on a 1000, go quick on that, then a 600 or a 250. what iam trying to say is that some adapt quicker than others and when they dont perhaps the team around them start to wonder what they are doing with a rider who doesnt produce the goods, which is what i think might have happened to baylis in the end of his time at ducati.

oh and racejumkie i disagree on who has the best motocross, yes ama supercross is the best in the world and yes carmicheal was an enigma but who kicked bubba's ... at the des nations by quite a margin
although i would have loved to see ricky and stefan go head to head but now we might never know, unless ricky has a go at supermoto and comes over to the biggest supermoto race in the world at mettet in belguim


Have to disagree here, Rallye Raids gotta be the hardest most exerting form of motorsport.

2 weeks wrestling a 640 KTM across Africa, or if you were an 80s guy a 750 Honda or 920 Yamaha!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who is stupid enough to give a 500 to a guy who can't even adapt his style for a different type of world superbike. I mean what a poor effort that was. There obviously wasn't much wrong with it considering slight beat him in that championship and Little John took the title on it th very next year.



Tom, I see we have a similar opinion of Foggy!

Pete

[quote name='basspete' date='Feb 1 2007, 11:08 PM' post='47459']
Have to disagree here, Rallye Raids gotta be the hardest most exerting form of motorsport.

2 weeks wrestling a 640 KTM across Africa, or if you were an 80s guy a 750 Honda or 920 Yamaha!

well yes you would be right but i was thinking more along the line of a race which is held on a ciruit. but talking about hard bikes to ride, kwak 750 screamer or kx, cr 500 absolute animals

Hey SB, I remember in the 80s, seeing a Honda ATC with an H2 Kwacker engine in it in Dirtwheels magazine.....nasty or what!!!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To me, superbikes is like touring cars, MotoGP (i still think that is a crap name!) is like F1. Nothing to do with the real world and all the better for it!

Pete
Sorry if that last post sounds a bit smug and dismissive, but surely even the most hardcore diesel fan knows they aint the top step?

Pete
Stop responding and debating yourself, it's creeping me out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 1 2007, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stop responding and debating yourself, it's creeping me out.


Who are you talking to?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>walker
yeah i agree rog,walker didnt do much but he was on that ..... shell advance team so you cant blame him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 1 2007, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah i agree rog,walker didnt do much but he was on that ..... shell advance team so you cant blame him.
yeah i agree 100%.












if it creeps junkie out i want in on it