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Keshav said:
People don't leave the North because of bad politics. They move south because their arteries have hardened, and can't stand the cold anymore.

Politics... people take them with them wherever they go.;)
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Exactly. People move for climate reasons, be they the weather or financial. No one declines a move to an area because it's bible bashing or not, or because of their political affiliations. I know a couple who are good friends of ours who moved from Seattle to the midwest because they got offered good jobs. They didn't turn them down just because the state they live in is of a different political preference to them.
 
Hahahahahaha

Six months of living with tree huggers and thinks there's no sociological, racial or geographic schisms in America.

Hey Povol.
What do you think about moving to NY, Connecticut, or Massachusetts?

 
povol said:
As Lewis Grizzard said “ 75 runs north and Delta is ready when you are” a quote he used when transplanted Yanks insisted we do things their way. Why is it a group of people will abandon a region because of bad politics only to try and institute those same bad politics where they relocate. We have the halfbacks here. These are the ones who couldn’t assimilate in Florida, got halfway home and discovered paradise. We welcome them with the warning that they leave their politics behind and for the most part they do.
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exactly i left NYC for FL and my reason and most of the time other people reason is because of city and state taxes, quality of life or gun laws. then they vote for the same type of people that they voted for in NY. if you want the same stay in ny. i call them locusts. vote for garbage in MD and then destroy VA. destroy nyc go to FL. destroy Cali then TX. you get the point.

PS i pay for MOTOGP and SBK have auto on and get a nice discount because im locked in.
 
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Keshav said:
People don't leave the North because of bad politics. They move south because their arteries have hardened, and can't stand the cold anymore.

Politics... people take them with them wherever they go.;)
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I deal with them all the time, most leave because their pension won’t allow to live. They can come here and pay a 1/4 the taxes, buy 4 times the house and live comfortably and that’s because of bad politics
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Hahahahahaha

Six months of living with tree huggers and thinks there's no sociological, racial or geographic schisms in America.

Hey Povol.
What do you think about moving to NY, Connecticut, or Massachusetts?

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Ain’t happening.
 
povol said:
I deal with them all the time, most leave because their pension won’t allow to live. They can come here and pay a 1/4 the taxes, buy 4 times the house and live comfortably and that’s because of bad politics
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I guess we can agree to disagree. If a person's pension is bad - it's because A. He didn't earn enough or B - someone in the organization he worked for stole from the pension fund. I'm well familiar with this stuff. I was in unions (including the Teamsters) from the time I was 19 till when I started my own business at 42.

Re: taxes - generally speaking the tax rate is commensurate with degree of public services offered by local government. NY State offers social services, programs for seniors, for children, after-school programs, business training programs, arts programs etc etc etc that are not parallelled in places like Florida or Arkansas.

If a person is 85 years old, living on a tiny pension and SS and doesn't much go out of the house, they don't care about the quality of schools or arts programs and so on. I get that.

I've got lots of friends who've moved down to Mexico because they just didn't earn enough to retire in NY. I moved up to Rockland County a few years ago because I'd been in NYC for more than 50 years and it's lost it's appeal, and I'm happy up where I am which is very rural with lots of farmland - but I still end up driving into NYC to hear bands, and world music, go to the theater and get authentic food from Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, China, Venezuela, Paris, Germany, Poland etc that you will never find in Florida or much of anywhere outside a cosmopolitan city - and cities cost more money to run than suburbs.

There's folks around here who in all there life have never been more than 75 miles away from home. And they're happy. That's all good. They mostly never read a book and couldn't find China on a map. They don't know what they've missed out on by their lack of curiosity, but they're happy enough all the same, and I get along with my neighbors just great. But when I tell them I've just come back from 6 weeks of touring Vietnam and Cambodia on a motorcycle they just kind of give me a blank look like I must be some kind of eccentric. I reckon that sort of dull lack of interest in the wider world is a direct result of a lesser education system and local government that doesn't support arts and cultural exchange. And when provincial types are on occasion exposed to people with a wider range of cultural engagement they sometimes think of those people as "elitist". But being elite in itself is not a negative thing. MotoGp racers are an elite and so are top people in any sport or field of education.
 
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Keshav said:
I guess we can agree to disagree. If a person's pension is bad - it's because A. He didn't earn enough or B - someone in the organization he worked for stole from the pension fund. I'm well familiar with this stuff. I was in unions (including the Teamsters) from the time I was 19 till when I started my own business at 42.

Re: taxes - generally speaking the tax rate is commensurate with degree of public services offered by local government. NY State offers social services, programs for seniors, for children, after-school programs, business training programs, arts programs etc etc etc that are not parallelled in places like Florida or Arkansas.

If a person is 85 years old, living on a tiny pension and SS and doesn't much go out of the house, they don't care about the quality of schools or arts programs and so on. I get that.

I've got lots of friends who've moved down to Mexico because they just didn't earn enough to retire in NY. I moved up to Rockland County a few years ago because I'd been in NYC for more than 50 years and it's lost it's appeal, and I'm happy up where I am which is very rural with lots of farmland - but I still end up driving into NYC to hear bands, and world music, go to the theater and get authentic food from Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, China, Venezuela, Paris, Germany, Poland etc that you will never find in Florida or much of anywhere outside a cosmopolitan city - and cities cost more money to run than suburbs.

There's folks around here who in all there life have never been more than 75 miles away from home. And they're happy. That's all good. They mostly never read a book and couldn't find China on a map. They don't know what they've missed out on by their lack of curiosity, but they're happy enough all the same, and I get along with my neighbors just great. But when I tell them I've just come back from 6 weeks of touring Vietnam and Cambodia on a motorcycle they just kind of give me a blank look like I must be some kind of eccentric. I reckon that sort of dull lack of interest in the wider world is a direct result of a lesser education system and local government that doesn't support arts and cultural exchange. And when provincial types are on occasion exposed to people with a wider range of cultural engagement they sometimes think of those people as "elitist". But being elite in itself is not a negative thing. MotoGp racers are an elite and so are top people in any sport or field of education.
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I guess the mass exodus from California is because of the weather huh.
 
I am from Texas, but have lived in a few places, including California... But I think people migrate for different reasons. Right now a lot of people are coming to Texas because of the cost of living, taxes, and jobs. But we are near the bottom in education, we lead the nation in un-insured, and the humidity can be brutal during the summer.
 
povol said:
I guess the mass exodus from California is because of the weather huh.
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This is hyperbolic click-bait pushed by right-wing rags like Forbes. People always come and go from state to state. Lot's of people are hurting financially after the giant economic downturn in 2008 and and have had to move to places with lower taxes and inadequate public services. My business makes less than half of what I made in 2008 - but that's not the fault of NY State. Some businesses unable to thrive in the internet age - are moving to states with less taxes like Kansas which may be good for their bottom line but the economy in KS is .... and public services are horrendous.

It's the truest paradigm of the real estate business. When a place becomes popular - the rents get raised, and the wealthy move in and the blue collar population move away. And it's not as if California is hurting from a lowered population. Even with "mass exodus" a lot of people ..... and moan that California is too crowded.

Real estate in Florida is cheap because there's no real competition to live there because there's not much employment and it's a cultural black hole where old people go to die.
 
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There's nothing wrong with Florida.

Better than being stuck in the taxed to death shitholes of NJ/NY/CT.

All you ever hear about is how bad the government finances of those states are, which is 100% true. NJ has priced out the middle class with all of the people who fled NY and created a real estate price increase by paying $400-$500K for houses built in the 1950s or 1960s and then ripping them down to build McMansions. Property taxes in NJ are outrageous. A friend is having to sell their home because they can't afford $13,000 in property taxes.

Moving to a state that offers low cost of living if you live in a high cost of living state isn't a bad idea. It's called being smart.
 
Keshav said:
Real estate in Florida is cheap because there's no real competition to live there because there's not much employment and it's a cultural black hole where old people go to die.
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It's cheap because there is a ton of property to buy unlike the highly developed areas of the tri-state area.

Plenty of employment if you're educated.
 
JPSLotus said:
It's cheap because there is a ton of property to buy unlike the highly developed areas of the tri-state area.

Plenty of employment if you're educated.
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Again - you have to look at the reasons why there is such a low population and readily available real estate. It has a lovely mild climate, right?

But it has a stagnant economy. Plenty of work if you want to bus tables, manage a Wendy's or be a bouncer in a ..... bar or hand out towels on the beach.

The big financial centers, and the fashion industry and pharmaceutical companies and tech companies... places where real money can be made, are not in Florida or places like it.

There are good reasons why some places are developed and some are underdeveloped.
 
JPSLotus said:
It's cheap because there is a ton of property to buy unlike the highly developed areas of the tri-state area.

Plenty of employment if you're educated.
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Depends in what field you are educated though to be fair. If you are an electrical or software engineer, the world is your oyster on the west coast. Not so much in say the mid west for example.

Idaho has a mass exodus of people from California at present because of the low comparative cost of living and the fact with Micron being based there means any silicon valley employee can get work. As a result house prices are climbing rapidly in the Boise area.
 
Keshav said:
Again - you have to look at the reasons why there is such a low population and readily available real estate. It has a lovely mild climate, right?

But it has a stagnant economy. Plenty of work if you want to bus tables, manage a Wendy's or be a bouncer in a ..... bar or hand out towels on the beach.

The big financial centers, and the fashion industry and pharmaceutical companies and tech companies... places where real money can be made, are not in Florida or places like it.

There are good reasons why some places are developed and some are underdeveloped.
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Florida has a population of 20.98 million, hardly a low population. The population continues growing because people have had enough of being taxed to death in places like NY/NJ.

Not everyone works in the industries you mention and do just fine relocating to Florida.

NJ is overdeveloped, it has the highest density population. Nothing to brag about. Endless congestion everywhere you go. If you think that is quality of life more power to you. No state income tax, low property taxes in Florida, no ...... up state finances. NY state exists just to fund NYC. Plus no ...... up snow storms to deal with down in Florida. Pretty good deal. Oh and the roads are in tremendously good shape because they fix things and maintain things down here. No money for that in the northeast because it's all been sucked down by the school systems.
 
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Depends in what field you are educated though to be fair. If you are an electrical or software engineer, the world is your oyster on the west coast. Not so much in say the mid west for example.

Idaho has a mass exodus of people from California at present because of the low comparative cost of living and the fact with Micron being based there means any silicon valley employee can get work. As a result house prices are climbing rapidly in the Boise area.
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Sure but that's true of anywhere. If you're in finance, NYC is the place to be.

I have a job that allows me to go anywhere in the country without issue.

California is an overpriced ........ just as a tangent.
 
JPSLotus said:
Florida has a population of 20.98 million, hardly a low population. The population continues growing because people have had enough of being taxed to death in places like NY/NJ.

Not everyone works in the industries you mention and do just fine relocating to Florida.

NJ is overdeveloped, it has the highest density population. Nothing to brag about. Endless congestion everywhere you go. If you think that is quality of life more power to you. No state income tax, low property taxes in Florida, no ...... up state finances. NY state exists just to fund NYC. Plus no ...... up snow storms to deal with down in Florida. Pretty good deal. Oh and the roads are in tremendously good shape because they fix things and maintain things down here. No money for that in the northeast because it's all been sucked down by the school systems.
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All you had to do was mention we have Waffle House. Slam dunk, mic drop, debate over
 
JPSLotus said:
Sure but that's true of anywhere. If you're in finance, NYC is the place to be.

I have a job that allows me to go anywhere in the country without issue.

California is an overpriced ........ just as a tangent.
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Yeah you wouldn't get me living in NJ that's for sure. If I did I might as well stayed in the UK :lol:

California is overpriced certainly. Can't beat the climate though.
 
JPSLotus said:
Florida has a population of 20.98 million, hardly a low population. The population continues growing because people have had enough of being taxed to death in places like NY/NJ.

Not everyone works in the industries you mention and do just fine relocating to Florida.

NJ is overdeveloped, it has the highest density population. Nothing to brag about. Endless congestion everywhere you go. If you think that is quality of life more power to you. No state income tax, low property taxes in Florida, no ...... up state finances. NY state exists just to fund NYC. Plus no ...... up snow storms to deal with down in Florida. Pretty good deal. Oh and the roads are in tremendously good shape because they fix things and maintain things down here. No money for that in the northeast because it's all been sucked down by the school systems.
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Actually NYC comprises 39% of NY State's overall population and supports way more than its share in order to prop up the rest of the state. This is very much an established fact.

The school systems were something I mentioned in an earlier post. I don't have kids - but everyone benefits from a more educated populace.

Re: endless congestion, I don't really find that to be true for me. Of course I don't commute into Manhattan for work, but if I had to, I could take a bus in and ride in comfort without having to drive. Yes - the NY subway system is crowded during the rush hour - but that's true in any major city. And nobody is forced to live in Manhattan. People flock there because of job opportunities and the amazing cultural diversity and the way it's all expressed in the arts and dining etc..

Re: snow and roads. True there's no snow in Fl but then there's no proper changing of the seasons either. So roads don't experience the same kind of wear and tear hence not needing the high degree of maintenence.

Florida's largely stagnant economy is 97% tourism, great if you own hotels - less than optimal if you're a bellboy or a maid. Next biggest chunk is agriculture - great if you have money to own an orange farm - not so great if you pick oranges. Third is International Trade; great if you own a shipping firm or if you're a high end broker, less than great if you're a trucker or a dock worker. A tiny remaining wedge is aerospace and investment.

For myself and many others the diversity of the landscape is a huge attraction. I've gone to school in Fl and been back many times and always found the flatness incredibly boring and the general uniformity of concrete box architecture enervating.

I could if I had to, live in Miami - but that's not a cheap place to live either. For me the winters are okay. Personally - I don't like extreme heat for months on end and Fl in the summer is an oven. And if you're put off by a bit of snow, you'll really hate the hurricanes that destroy Floridian lives and property like clockwork.

The only cultural exports out of there worth mentioning would be two-hit wonder Gloria Estefan and Tom Petty who sadly, is dead.
 
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JPSLotus said:
Florida has a population of 20.98 million, hardly a low population. The population continues growing because people have had enough of being taxed to death in places like NY/NJ.
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That is insane to think of.

20.98 Million in only 170,000km2.

Australia's entire population is only 24.6M, with just under 7.7Million square kilometres to stretch out.

Granted, much is Desert.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
That is insane to think of.

20.98 Million in only 170,000km2.

Australia's entire population is only 24.6M, with just under 7.7Million square kilometres to stretch out.

Granted, much is Desert.
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And Australia is actually a larger landmass than the USA. I've had a lot of Aussie pals over the years and generally find them to be really fun and easy to get along with. I think I'd really like it there - were it not for the heat.

A funny story. A bunch of years ago an actress friend of mine was in Sydney doing a show. This was back when everybody was using AOL and dial-up and it was a big novelty to email back and forth across the globe. She was staying with this gal who was said to be the most famous stripper in Sydney and this woman started emailing me and sending photos of herself and she was hot. She invited me to come stay with her as long as I wanted. I thought what the hell. Why not go and have an adventure? After a week of going over my finances I was going to buy a ticket the next day, when a friend of mine heard of my plans he informed me that yes this chick was really hot and desirable, except... she'd been caught in the middle of a bar fight a year before and got hit in the face with chair and now sported a complete set of false teeth. :p
 

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