Stoner's Wrist

Its all mind games! He was fastest in practise pretty much all last season and he's still fastest now-pull the the other 1 Stoner!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Feb 15 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its all mind games! He was fastest in practise pretty much all last season and he's still fastest now-pull the the other 1 Stoner!


Hey Einstein.
He can't at the moment do any more than 4 or 5 laps before he has to come in to rest the wrist.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but there are no races that last 4 or 5 laps on the calender.
So being fast becomes irrelevant. Get it? Mind games? GTFOH

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Feb 15 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Einstein.
He can't at the moment do any more than 4 or 5 laps before he has to come in to rest the wrist.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but there are no races that last 4 or 5 laps on the calender.
So being fast becomes irrelevant. Get it? Mind games? GTFOH

I doubt this is mind games but Stoner has a track record for short stints and few laps in total. But he usually had one longer stint of at least 8-9 counting laps.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 13 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Err, not subtle enough?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 15 2009, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....... !

Ooh, I'm so telling on you.

Finally, I have the power to ban you permanently from this site.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Feb 15 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its all mind games! He was fastest in practise pretty much all last season and he's still fastest now-pull the the other 1 Stoner!


I think both Soner and Ducati are being more objective than that.


There's a simple question, "why aren't we winning?" one needs to ask when one makes the observations:

Stoner cleaned up on Poles in 08.

Stoner smashed them on fastest lap times in 08.

SO if that all looks better than 07 why not the race wins.?



They must have had a "conflab" at which Stoner informed them of his wrist problems. And the weakness it is causing at race distance and pace.

Now being fairly well informed on such injuries, Ducati immediately saw the problem.

It was Ducati who first suggested he sit out the rest of the season ( hoping to come back in 09 after the problem was identified).

I often wonder if Hayden had such injuries in 07 ....... however I think the difference between Ducati and Honda is

Ducati about Stoner: " .... this is the guy who brought us our first championship! .... and he is in pain/injured!! ....... call the roman legion!! ..... carry him/feed him/nurture him back to health!! .... we owe him a debt of gratitude!!"

Honda about Hayden: ....... "Hmmph! ....... do we have new part!? .... get new one if Hayden broken!"


In short ..... I think the guys at Ducati actually seem to care about Stoner!




Saying a guy is whinging about such an injury is just pure Rossifan crap as a attempt at "oneupmanship" ......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2009, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think both Soner and Ducati are being more objective than that.


There's a simple question, "why aren't we winning?" one needs to ask when one makes the observations:

Stoner cleaned up on Poles in 08.

Stoner smashed them on fastest lap times in 08.

SO if that all looks better than 07 why not the race wins.?



They must have had a "conflab" at which Stoner informed them of his wrist problems. And the weakness it is causing at race distance and pace.

Now being fairly well informed on such injuries, Ducati immediately saw the problem.

It was Ducati who first suggested he sit out the rest of the season ( hoping to come back in 09 after the problem was identified).

I often wonder if Hayden had such injuries in 07 ....... however I think the difference between Ducati and Honda is

Ducati about Stoner: " .... this is the guy who brought us our first championship! .... and he is in pain/injured!! ....... call the roman legion!! ..... carry him/feed him/nurture him back to health!! .... we owe him a debt of gratitude!!"

Honda about Hayden: ....... "Hmmph! ....... do we have new part!? .... get new one if Hayden broken!"


In short ..... I think the guys at Ducati actually seem to care about Stoner!




Saying a guy is whinging about such an injury is just pure Rossifan crap as a attempt at "oneupmanship" ......

its actually sad about stoners wrist problem and i hope he gets it sorted.....the grid is already looking grim, with one of the main competitors out then the fight for the championship wont be as good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 16 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its actually sad about stoners wrist problem and i hope he gets it sorted.....the grid is already looking grim, with one of the main competitors out then the fight for the championship wont be as good.

I also wonder if Ducati are one of the only teams/manufacturers out there that actually appreciate MGP and what it represents.

I even think "emotions" came into it when Hayden was hired by Ducati. By "emotion", I mean I think Ducati actually appreciate Hayden as well. They must factor in that he is a past W. Champ. Even if they don't expect him to win, I still think they appreciate his achievement for what it was.
As well as seeing the "fans" reception to Stoner I'm sure they felt for Hayden after being on the receiving end of the Rossiarmy's "admiration" for those who beat Rossi.

Honda used to be a "caring" company ...... back in Doohan's day ...... but after Rossi left them they seem to have not wanted to commit themselves "emotionally" with any rider ....... yes even Pedrosa I would think has a precarious employ ( as much as some want to deny it ).

Yamaha have Rossi like a hood ornament.

Suzuki ...... well they are hanging in there ...... "emotion"? ....... perhaps? ...... I think they did appreciate MGP in the long ago past and are surviving on the left over memories of "things gone by".

Kawa ....... well we know where that went ...

In a way they need to open the series up to more manufacturers who have an "emotional" want to be there. Eg. BMW, Aprillia, MV. ............ bring back some old time feeling.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2009, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I also wonder if Ducati are one of the only teams/manufacturers out there that actually appreciate MGP and what it represents.

I even think "emotions" came into it when Hayden was hired by Ducati. By "emotion", I mean I think Ducati actually appreciate Hayden as well. They must factor in that he is a past W. Champ. Even if they don't expect him to win, I still think they appreciate his achievement for what it was.
As well as seeing the "fans" reception to Stoner I'm sure they felt for Hayden after being on the receiving end of the Rossiarmy's "admiration" for those who beat Rossi.

Honda used to be a "caring" company ...... back in Doohan's day ...... but after Rossi left them they seem to have not wanted to commit themselves "emotionally" with any rider ....... yes even Pedrosa I would think has a precarious employ ( as much as some want to deny it ).

Yamaha have Rossi like a hood ornament.

Suzuki ...... well they are hanging in there ...... "emotion"? ....... perhaps? ...... I think they did appreciate MGP in the long ago past and are surviving on the left over memories of "things gone by".

Kawa ....... well we know where that went ...

In a way they need to open the series up to more manufacturers who have an "emotional" want to be there. Eg. BMW, Aprillia, MV. ............ bring back some old time feeling.

Yesss and team KR, like i said in another thread its sad that dorna didnt try and help teamKR like they have with kawasaki... that was the first stage of decline, KR out... the problem is with motogp is its just to expensive for small teams and manufacturers not getting result's.
they need a plan to radiclly reduce cost so other teams/manufacturers can get back in on the grid and i think if they can bring cost's down we will see new manufacturers/teams signing to join the grid.

20+ bikes in 2010 would be hugely welcomed, especially by fans but at the moments its just not gonna happen.

I think yamaha, suzuki, ducati all appreciate motogp, they always plod along without whinging APART from honda who always want want want.... if its not blowing in honda's direction they want to change the rules....

i think ducati do appreciate hayden and the dam hard graft he puts in even if hes not gettin top results they guy just plough's on and keeps smiling.

one thing you can say about hayden he is not a quitter unlike weedobot....

suzuki could go along way, capirossi has plenty of knowledge and can push development in the rite direction but i think they need to hire a young talented rider to bring the suzuki more near the top. vermulen should have gone for this season and replaced him with someone who will put the bike through its paces. From a development point of view i would give vermi the boot anyday before capirossi the bike vermi rides is going to waste, so for suzuki i hope they can bring in a new talented rider for 2010.

but that said if this years suzuki is good and vermi gets good result's i may change my mind lol

Vermeulen is pure talent!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Feb 16 2009, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vermeulen is pure talent!


yep he is ....when its pissing down with rain...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 15 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yesss and team KR, like i said in another thread its sad that dorna didnt try and help teamKR like they have with kawasaki... that was the first stage of decline, KR out... the problem is with motogp is its just to expensive for small teams and manufacturers not getting result's.
they need a plan to radiclly reduce cost so other teams/manufacturers can get back in on the grid and i think if they can bring cost's down we will see new manufacturers/teams signing to join the grid.

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+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 15 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep he is ....when its pissing down with rain...
True

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 16 2009, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think yamaha, suzuki, ducati all appreciate motogp, they always plod along without whinging APART from honda who always want want want.... if its not blowing in honda's direction they want to change the rules....

There seems to be a never ending amount of ellaborate and un-founded hate for Honda around here, its hilarious. This little dig is particularly funny as it was Yamaha who spent the majority of the 90's getting embarassed on track and then suggested 4 strokes. Yet you lot blame Honda, classic.

As for Honda being a caring company in Doohans day, i don't think much has changed to be honest. Lawson walked into a Honda team and got treated better than their current number 1 and recent world champion, Honda don't hold themselfes back for the sake of sentiment and it seems they suffer by getting less rider loyalty in return. It's just how they are. The way that team works the best, and the way its been most successful is by having a rider who has the strength of character, leadership and status to demand what he wants actually be a figurehead. Non of Honda's riders since Rossi have had that yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 15 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I even think "emotions" came into it when Hayden was hired by Ducati. By "emotion", I mean I think Ducati actually appreciate Hayden as well. They must factor in that he is a past W. Champ. Even if they don't expect him to win, I still think they appreciate his achievement for what it was.
As well as seeing the "fans" reception to Stoner I'm sure they felt for Hayden after being on the receiving end of the Rossiarmy's "admiration" for those who beat Rossi.
If not for those reasons then at least because it's nice to have at least one press darling in the garage. At least in Hayden, Ducati have employed a past champion that even the Rossi cult can't dislike. As much as people, especially Hayden fans, don't want to admit, Hayden's marketability surely played a major role in getting him the Ducati ride. Putting the most popular rider from their biggest market on their bike only makes marketing sense. It's a worthwhile gamble, even if he can't rediscover his 990 form.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 16 2009, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There seems to be a never ending amount of ellaborate and un-founded hate for Honda around here, its hilarious. This little dig is particularly funny as it was Yamaha who spent the majority of the 90's getting embarassed on track and then suggested 4 strokes. Yet you lot blame Honda, classic.
I would guess that much of it stems from the sense that Yamaha and Ducati started to catch Honda in 990s development as the M1 and GPxx could take a win off the once untouchable RC211V and then Honda went running to Dorna asking for an 800cc limit. I'd assume that Honda felt that a change in formula would once again give them the upper hand as their R&D budget dwarfs that of the others in the series and would once again, come out with a gem straight out of the box. Unfortunately for them, the RC212V was a dud and now people seem to forget that it was Honda who lobbied for the switch in an attempt to get the series in a stranglehold once again.

Caseys wrist is basically giving him a fair bit of grief, they assume the pain is coming from the tendons as opposed to the bone.

Last week he rode without and pain killers.

If its still no good he will have to go down the road of getting dosed up prior to each race in order to last the distance.

From what iv been told he will definatley be racing the season out.

Its just a shame if his running is limited for setups (although he seems to set the thing up real quick) and also the possible 'fade' during a race distance with such an injury.

Qutar should give us a clearer picture and if i find anything else out in the meantime ill let you know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 16 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yep he is ....when its pissing down with rain...
Considering his equipment, he has performed very well. I personally rate Chris, but no-one will really know until he gets a competitive bike.

He certainly looked the goods as a youngster in WSBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 16 2009, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There seems to be a never ending amount of ellaborate and un-founded hate for Honda around here, its hilarious.
Tom you seem like a bright enough guy to realise the 900 lb. gorilla in the room ALWAYS gets the most attention - hence the names "Honda" and "Rossi" getting so much airplay on this forum and in the media in general. Secondly, its unfortunate, but a lot of people are haters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Feb 17 2009, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Considering his equipment, he has performed very well. I personally rate Chris, but no-one will really know until he gets a competitive bike.

He certainly looked the goods as a youngster in WSBK.
.......... He has been about equal to his team mates on the Suzuki for his time in MotoGP and hasn't shown marked improvement in three years. Don't need different machinery to say he is about equal in talent to Hoppers and an aging Capirex.

Career midpacker - especially if he finishes 2009 behind Loris...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 17 2009, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.......... He has been about equal to his team mates on the Suzuki for his time in MotoGP and hasn't shown marked improvement in three years. Don't need different machinery to say he is about equal in talent to Hoppers and an aging Capirex.

Career midpacker - especially if he finishes 2009 behind Loris...

Spies kicked their ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 17 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies kicked their ...
Potential is definitely there - whereas CV is potential unrealised...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 17 2009, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Potential is definitely there - whereas CV is potential unrealised...

I like CV a lot..he's a cool dude....Spies and him would have made a nice team.... Ah well...SBK World Champ this year... Moto GP the next