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Stoner's Wrist

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Nagoya, Japan
Pretty worrying, I'd say.

I've heard that a couple other racers have had this exact same surgery and not been able to come back to full-time racing.

Anybody remember who?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73242

Casey Stoner says he will be extremely concerned about his 2009 MotoGP season if he continues to struggle with wrist pain in the Qatar test next month.

The former world champion was frustrated by the amount of discomfort in his wrist when he returned to action at Sepang last week, having expected surgery last November to solve the recurrent injury that had plagued the end of his 2008 campaign.

He hopes that his condition will improve before testing resumes at Losail on 1 March, but admitted that it would be an ominous sign if he continued to struggle in Qatar.

"Three months have gone by and my wrist has little mobility and hurts badly," Stoner told Motosprint. "I don't like the way this story is going at all.

"I'll try not to think about it until the test in Qatar, then we'll see. If the situation in Qatar hasn't improved radically, then it means there will be plenty to worry about.

"I just think that three months have gone by and in my opinion the situation isn't good at all. I say that I shouldn't be in this situation, because the bone has healed, yet it hurts me badly. That's what I can't explain.

"It's been really disappointing finding out that after three months the wrist is a lot worse than I expected. I already had a wrist operation before, and after two weeks I was already okay."

Despite the wrist problem, Stoner managed to be quickest on two of the three test days in Malaysia. He said he had surprised himself with his pace, although he had to limit himself to short runs.

"I try to adapt, to change the way I sit on the bike: I make some movements to make up for the fact that the wrist barely moves and most of all it hurts me a lot under braking," said Stoner.

"It feels almost unreal to me that I manage to be so quick. The situation is worse than I expected. I say it's not normal. I didn't expect to feel great, but not this bad either."
 
I must admit when I heard, last year, that there was already dead bone in there ...... I started to wonder if he's earned enough to retire to that farm yet.

I think I expressed/alluded to, it in a post last year ....... structural bone problems are probably the worst thing to guys at this level of competition. The heads probably still there but the body "don't wanna play".


Was it Shwantz who had simillar prob's?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 12 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was it Shwantz who had simillar prob's?

I think Schwantz had similar problems, but was able to come back and race for awhile. It never was the same afterwards though I guess.

There was one more guy who wasn't even able to come back and race a season. Can't remember the name, but suffice to say there was somebody else.
 
WTF noway this really sucks, i hope he will be ok by qatar.... i guess he needs plenty of physio....restricted movement is gonna be bad for him especially the way that bike rags everyone round the track....

when the championship had gone last season i think he shoulda thought about having it done atleast abit earlier and got himself ready for this season.

this season the numbers on the grid was already looking grim if stoner is out then this is gonna suck.

cheers for the heads up phorest
 
i had a wrist injusry about 2 years ago from weight training. its still not 100% i dont think it will ever be 100% ever again.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 13 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cheers for the heads up phorest
Curve posted this 12 hours earlier, HERE!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Feb 13 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i had a wrist injusry about 2 years ago from weight training. its still not 100% i dont think it will ever be 100% ever again.
So what's your point? I had the same scaphoid injury (as Casey's original) in 1995 and it has healed perfectly... Anecdotal evidence of other injuries has no bearing on the current discussion.
 
It sounds really serious to me if he's feeling that much pain after 3 months. I hope he can ride the season normally, but right now, I wouldn't be 100% sure of that.
 
Just hope he dont get a tank slapper or a fall to make it worse
and he needs to get this out of his mind now
or peeps will be talking wambulance time again..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 13 2009, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Curve posted this 12 hours earlier, HERE!


So what's your point? I had the same scaphoid injury (as Casey's original) in 1995 and it has healed perfectly... Anecdotal evidence of other injuries has no bearing on the current discussion.

But this is notoriously slow to grow and even without complications others often need surgery to transport mor blod around the injury. My point is that
A: It takes time
B: I'm surpriced that he didn't know more about the injury's influence on his riding before he started, unless the doctors orders where to keep in in absolute rest.
 
Babel, why are you taking Pinky's ..... on your shoulders? I was dissing his "wrist injury" (wacking off to Hong Kong trannies?).
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 13 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Babel, why are you taking Pinky's ..... on your shoulders? I was dissing his "wrist injury" (wacking off to Hong Kong trannies?).
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Sorry if I gave you that impression, it was more my personal view Stoners injury and by no means a support to Pinky. Besides we both know that it wasn't weight lifting that led to a right wrist injury.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Feb 13 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i had a wrist injusry about 2 years ago from weight training. its still not 100% i dont think it will ever be 100% ever again.

Fck, Pinky, I wouldn't talk about wrist injuries if I were you
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 13 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unless the doctors orders where to keep in in absolute rest.


how many of these guys actually listen to their doctor
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look at Elias and his femur after Assen 07 ?? bet no downtown doctor would reckon he should have been back on the bike!.

Even Rossi's curtain cuts would probably have many laid up and off work for weeks.
 
I know this is a double post but Curve's cry me a River has turned into another Rossi lovers vs Rossi haters bash. Meh...

To come to the point of the topic...Stoner has admitted that although he's putting in fast laps his wrist can only do 4 laps at a time max. Having said that...Stoner has never been one to put in a lot of consecutive laps. It would be terrible if this injury ruined his season but let's not forget he has access to the best medical care in the world and things have changed a lot since Schwantz's days.
There could be lots of reasons for this. Not least psychological. Without the adrenalin rush of an actual race he might not yet be confident pushing it. Besides, when you get used to living with an injury or chronic pain you get used to compensating for it in a lot of little ways. He might need to 'unlearn' a few things until he can get comfortable again. What irks me is that he could have had the surgery so much earlier ..as soon as the championship was lost he could've gone and gotten it fixed...but he didn't. That is the prerogative of a true champion and a true racer some might say...but maybe, just maybe, he failed to look at the whole picture. He's still sooo young. It kills to think that if delaying his surgery just to prove how tough he is could have ruined his career. I honestly hope not.

Or maybe this is all just nothing and he's just lulling the opposition into a false sense of security. Rossi's the king of mind games but we know that Stoner wants to beat Rossi in everything!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Feb 13 2009, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i had a wrist injusry about 2 years ago from weight training. its still not 100% i dont think it will ever be 100% ever again.

Never heard it called that before.....

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 13 2009, 04:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Never heard it called that before.....

Pete


Its a NAMBLA code for humping fat boys
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btw...it's not the wrist thats bothering Stoner..it's his ......
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 13 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But this is notoriously slow to grow and even without complications others often need surgery to transport mor blod around the injury. My point is that
A: It takes time
B: I'm surpriced that he didn't know more about the injury's influence on his riding before he started, unless the doctors orders where to keep in in absolute rest.
It doesn't sound as though casey is ever going to change from the stream of consciousness straight off the top of his head answer to whatever question a journalist puts to him. However, whether this approach is wise or not, I believe he generally tells the truth as he sees it, so I think it is likely (and not particularly surprising) that his wrist is hurting.

He says that his scaphoid has completely healed , which I also believe as the indications were that it was a distal fracture which is not the type prone to avascular necrosis due to lack of blood supply. The bone graft was apparently for a pseudoarthrosis rather than because the bone had died; a pseudoarthrosis means there is fibrous tissue forming a false joint between the two fragments of a fractured bone hence not allowing bony union to occur.

My hope and what I think is likely is that he has stiffness of the joint due to post-operative immobility and perhaps some scarring from the surgery, as well as muscle weakness as he has probably not had time to regain fulll strength as yet; these should eventually recover. There is also a post operative/post traumatic syndrome called regional pain syndrome or reflex sympathetic dystrophy which it is postulated is due to neural feedback mechanisms which can be more problematic but is also potentially curable/recoverable; I think this is unlikely.

His problem is if he has destroyed the joint cartilage in his wrist either as a consequence of his original or second injury which would seem unlikely, or because he kept riding with a dysfunctional scaphoid; the scaphoid acts as a strut and is the main stabiliser of the wrist joint, and joint cartilage does not really heal once significantly damaged. I tend to think the second scenario is also unlikely with a distal fracture particularly since his medical advisors allowed him to continue riding and Dr Costa if I recall cast some doubt on the necessity for surgery.

This is speculative on my part based on fragmentary information and not in my area of primary expertise.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 13 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is speculative on my part based on fragmentary information and not in my area of primary expertise.
Gosh I love learned men....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Feb 13 2009, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know this is a double post but Curve's cry me a River has turned into another Rossi lovers vs Rossi haters bash. Meh...

To come to the point of the topic...Stoner has admitted that although he's putting in fast laps his wrist can only do 4 laps at a time max. Having said that...Stoner has never been one to put in a lot of consecutive laps. It would be terrible if this injury ruined his season but let's not forget he has access to the best medical care in the world and things have changed a lot since Schwantz's days.
There could be lots of reasons for this. Not least psychological. Without the adrenalin rush of an actual race he might not yet be confident pushing it. Besides, when you get used to living with an injury or chronic pain you get used to compensating for it in a lot of little ways. He might need to 'unlearn' a few things until he can get comfortable again. What irks me is that he could have had the surgery so much earlier ..as soon as the championship was lost he could've gone and gotten it fixed...but he didn't. That is the prerogative of a true champion and a true racer some might say...but maybe, just maybe, he failed to look at the whole picture. He's still sooo young. It kills to think that if delaying his surgery just to prove how tough he is could have ruined his career. I honestly hope not.

Or maybe this is all just nothing and he's just lulling the opposition into a false sense of security. Rossi's the king of mind games but we know that Stoner wants to beat Rossi in everything!
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Same. It would have helped his cause to get the surgery done as soon as the title was gone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 13 2009, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Same. It would have helped his cause to get the surgery done as soon as the title was gone.

yep exactly what i said..
 

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