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Stoner's main skill?

BTW, wht happened to Babel fish?

Not heard from him. Too bad to, since I'd really like to read some of his opinions lately. I gave the guy a heard time, but deep down I think he knew I liked him. Come back Babel, please (I'm being serious).





BM, have you ever heard of the phrase: hook, line, & sinker?
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EDIT: Just PMed Babel. I let him know we miss him. I hope he replies.
 
There was an interview about 2 weeks ago with Stoner, don't know where it was.



In it he compared Pedrosa and Hayden to himself. Dani had perfect smooth throttle control to get the bike out of a corner without any fuss. Nicky was very good at spinning up the rear and sliding but had little throttle control when doing that.

Stoner himself said he has pretty much the perfect in between, spinning up the rear all the while keeping perfect throttle control. With this he can blast a bike out of the corner like Pedrosa, but unlike Pedrosa he can do it with a spinning tyre for better control in most situations.



I remember something like this.



He said he can ride equally well with either style, and vary it for each corner, as necessary. He did not say that he implements both styles simultaneously.
 
As our UK friends say... Bullocks. The only throttle control Casey has is turning up the dial on his TC. I saw it clearly from the TV.



(In case you're wondering, yes, I paid for the High Rez HD package).

I'm not sure everyone understand that you were joking ...

It pisses me off when even the Swedish comentators talk about how well Stoner uses the TC ,and that's his secret.I guess the UK comentators (and Swedish) can't see telemetry of rearwheelspin and and every other factor.That telemetry shown on the TV screen isn't all that accurate is it?
 
BM, have you ever heard of the phrase: hook, line, & sinker?
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As an angler of some experience, I may have heard that expression
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However as an angler of some experience I am also aware that fishing is a two way game. And as such I am aware that the "better" angler knows that the fish also can be the benefactor of his game ........... have you ever heard the expressions ........... "I am just feeding the fish today" ......... "theres plenty of bites today but no fish" ......... " they are just taking the bait" ........



I would suggest to you though if you are coming on here to "win" at a game of angling ........ you are perhaps in the wrong place.



But hey, as indicated ...... if Arab wants to waste time ........ I'm up for it ATM
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Still waiting on Arab's answer
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In the new issue of MotoSprint, in an article titled "Everybody is spying Stoner's riding style" we read:



"Contrary to what most people thought so far, Stoner uses the throttle in a very fine way, he's not aggressive at all; he does not open it up or close it sharply, but he's able to modulate it in an unparalleled way. He constantly keeps the engine revving high and makes the bike turn using the rear brake. He does not lean as long as others; instead he picks up the bike before most of the others and, having kept the engine revving high, he can immediately exploit its full power during the exit, well in advance of other riders.



Capirossi commented: "The engine of the Ducati has a narrow usable range, it is not easy to always keep it within that, and if you don't it's impossible to go fast. Stoner brakes later than me, but he does not carry as much corner speed: when entering the corner he presses the rear brake and continues to brake through the corner, with a very fine control. He never manhandles the bike [this is the opposite of what most of us thought btw!] and so he does not stress the chassis too much. Unless you can do that, the Ducati is under-steering [as Rossi also confirms]. It's almost impossible to copy his style. He uses the brakes as an additional control, he can point and shoot and make the bike turn really fast, so that he can open up the throttle earlier. He's the only one who is capable to do that with a MotoGP bike."



The journalist than adds that Stoner's style could be even more effective with the current control tires. Due also to the economic crisis, Bridgestone have lowered the quality of the compounds since they become the single suppliers, and the current ones have less grip especially on the shoulders, allowing for more spin. So maintaining a high corner speed is no more tas important as in recent years and this situation is obliging many riders to try and change their style -- Dovizioso and Lorenzo in particular, who ride the MotoGP almost in the same way as they rode the 250s.





This in essence is the content of the Motosprint article. I'd say that thanks to telemetry and to the switch to Honda, that allows unprecedented insight by riders of two different teams into Stoner's style, Casey's skill is now, finally, being recognized in its fullness.
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I think many riders have confirmed that Stoner is a freak when it comes to riding a bike. Probably the best study of riding technique is Ben Spies, I recall him saying last year he knew what every rider on the grid was doing to be fast, but he never could figure out how Stoner was so fast. I think Capi's quote above says a lot, special forces have a saying or is it the Marine Corps?......."adapt and overcome" that is exactly what Stoner did while racing the Ducati.
 
Its all a bit weird this "lets study Stoners Telemetry" .......... I mean would anyone ever try and dissect Rossi's style and telemetry? Lorenzo? Pedro? ........ actually really its a pretty big compliment when you think of it
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I think it's a compliment that Stoner deserves, after so many doubted his skill since 2006. Personally, I always felt he was doing something different, but it wasn't easy to pinpoint what that was. Now it's coming to the surface.
 
Its nowt to do with his skill, its the size of his balls!



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Only kidding, he's clearly got some amazing ability that noone can really match. If you had a rider with his throttle control and Rossi's ability on the brakes, you would have the ultimate rider!
 
I think many riders have confirmed that Stoner is a freak when it comes to riding a bike. Probably the best study of riding technique is Ben Spies, I recall him saying last year he knew what every rider on the grid was doing to be fast, but he never could figure out how Stoner was so fast. I think Capi's quote above says a lot, special forces have a saying or is it the Marine Corps?......."adapt and overcome" that is exactly what Stoner did while racing the Ducati.

USMC
 
If you had a rider with his throttle control and Rossi's ability on the brakes, you would have the ultimate rider!





+1 but the championship would be rather boring i mean how could any mortal match ,let alone surpass that skill
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thx for sharing with us j4rno, i think it confirms what i've been thinking because stoner is known to use the rear brake but he doesn't get it as sideways under braking as nicky, seems like he really only uses it for turnin and throught the corner.impressive.
 
+1 but the championship would be rather boring i mean how could any mortal match ,let alone surpass that skill
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thx for sharing with us j4rno, i think it confirms what i've been thinking because stoner is known to use the rear brake but he doesn't get it as sideways under braking as nicky, seems like he really only uses it for turnin and throught the corner.impressive.





very true!



Its awesome to just think of the mental capacity needed to do all that whilst travelling at those speeds...
 
If only I was introduced to motorcycle racing at a young age I would be spanking Ross and Stoner's ... today.



Interesting read on what Caparossi said about Stoner though. As a racer I'd much prefer a deep braking point coupled with quick wide open throttle input as opposed to early braking carrying speed through corner and rolling the throttle.
 
rossi said he can change his style to ride the bike agressivly like stoner... BUT isnt possible right now cos of the shoulder.



the duke has got to be more harsh on the body than any otherbike, look how crazy it used to look when stoner was riding it near the limit.



even tho im sick of the shoulder talk im still gonna give him his chance to prove it when he is 100%, anything less and i dont think he will be able to get near its limit.
 
rossi said he can change his style to ride the bike agressivly like stoner... BUT isnt possible right now cos of the shoulder.



the duke has got to be more harsh on the body than any otherbike, look how crazy it used to look when stoner was riding it near the limit.



even tho im sick of the shoulder talk im still gonna give him his chance to prove it when he is 100%, anything less and i dont think he will be able to get near its limit.

Sure, stoner having skill doesn't preclude rossi having skill, rather the opposite since he has mostly beaten him.
 
blah blah fking blah.



same old .... here. Started out good but ending up in a .... fight.

I reckon you could start a thread on any topic but it would always end up the same ...
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Bring on the next race so we can have something significant to talk about
 

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