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Stoner's health issues

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On top of the energy sapping illness, he is also experiencing issues with his left wrist. Remember, back in pre-season testing, the surgery he had was not healing properly. Now it looks like its acting up again. Perhaps aggravated by that pretty bad crash at Laguna in the last stages of qualifying.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>“I found it really difficult to keep my concentration over the last few laps and I was in a bit of a daze by the end. My left arm was feeling really tired by the end because of the fact there are so many left-handers here and my left wrist still doesn't have the full range of movement after my operation in the winter."




Check out this LINK. Click on the picture and you will see Stoner and Bostrom. This was a happenstance picture. But the caption says Stoner may have had compartment syndrome surgery. Don't know what that means for Stoner and his future, but I hope its not a problem.

(BTW, to anybody who follows superbikeplanet site, do they have the worst editors or what? every time I read an article from this site it always has spelling and grammar errors, bunch of clowns writing this ....).


Anyway, I wonder what the implications are for the championship, but its looks worrying. On a side note, I've started to see alot of Lorenzo t-shirts at races. I especially noticed many crop up at Laguna (hell even CK was wearing one, this from a die hard Hayden fan at that). I suspect its because Lorenzo has had some massive crashes and people admire his determination to get back on track and have success. Which is interesting to me since Stoner has been doing the same thing but gets no love for it (says something about those talking .... about Stoner, eh). But I know for sure, that if the story line was reversed and perhaps a certain Italian complained of feeling sick, we might see a monument erected for his heroism for finishing a race on the podium. So when I read that Stoner is "faking" it or "whining" I just laugh laugh laugh at the fun and games we play. Its part of the forum I really enjoy, that is, all the banter between us.

On the post race thread, Roger my buddy suggested a possible severance of Stoner Ducati relationship. His hook was to point to Nicky's 5th and implanting a seed that perhaps Ducati having apprehension at this "mystery" illness. I've sat back and laughed my ... off at how many people have responded to this baiting (good job Roger, they so easily bite your hook). I c can't really blame them too much though bro, geeez I remember my first days on the forum you had me going bonkers. Anyhow, anybody entertaining the idea that Ducati would let Stoner go, or Stoner leave Ducati is straight crazy. No need to even go down that road of discussion. That relationship is a marriage made in GP heaven, and it will continue until something dramatically happens.

But all kidding and banter aside, I'm wondering what is really going on with Casey. When healthy and dialed in, he obviously can beat anybody on the track. A few say its in his head, but I doubt that seriously. He with stood massive pressure in 07 to win the title so I don't think the man has a weak mind, like some would like to suggest (again probably just banter). In the picture he has both arms pinched, so it looks like Dr. Ting is running a grip of tests. On top of that he's had a few crashes and there is that previous wrist injury. On top of that it looks like he's had issues with arm pump. If the health issues continue, obviously the title does not look good.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Quite a few people have suggested I might have Epstein-Barr or something, and I've had some doctors say no way," said Stoner. "I've read that everyone has Epstein-Barr and if you don't have enough rest, you get it. "

When you get sick and you go to the doctor, what's the one thing he says to do when he give you medication and sends you home? He says, get plenty of rest. Well Stoner doesn't have that luxury. That is until the summer break. Can he hold on?

On the pitwalk, I asked him how he was feeling, he said "I'm feeling better but not 100%." This was before his crash in qual. So obviously he was referring to his illness. So if he's getting better; then what tracks do you guys predict we will see a come back? I thought we might see Casey win at Laguna, but that didn't pan out. We have PI coming up, will this be a make or break moment? What other tracks do we have ahead of us where he is good at? Do you think he can make a comeback? I for one think the points are so close and the rounds becoming less and less that it will be some DNF somewhere for somebody that will knock off the challengers. He seems to be riding gutsy and finishing races despite health issues. So he has the title in mind, as I think Rossi did by not stuffing Peders at Laguna (which if the title was on the line he might have done). We have two more rounds before the summer break, will the time off save his championship hopes? How close will he need to stay within the points to get to the summer break without it costing him the season?

Discuss.
 
Freddy Spencer "burnt out" ..... was he too young for it all?

I have often thought that that was what will stop Casey from winning, He seems a very driven person usually they end up defeating themselves, ie. it could well be nobody will beat him with speed, but only the rider themselves gets burnt out and hence slows themselves.

Who knows maybe he is burnt out already?

But then again maybe he just has some fitness problems at present?

But then again maybe riding the Duc. at that level takes a "wearing" level of fitness ( for this reason I would like to see him try another ride before he disappears off the screen ) And before you jump on this one Rogbab ..... remember he's still a top contender so I am speculating as to how things could possibly go in the future, merely in response to what seems a well informed post by Jumkie.
 
Jumkie, I think you misunderstand what many of us call " mental Issues". Its not as if he is psyched out, because we know how tough he is, but that different types of mental stress can lead to REAL debilitating physical symptoms. Chronic fatigue is a poorly understood disease with many possible causes and a variety in the severity of the symptoms. It is important that the difference between these two is understood. Gibernau, I believe , was psyched out by Rossi. Casey has a different problem-real physical lethargy. It is unlikely that he will recover enough this year to be able to challenge for the title, which should be very disappointing to all genuine fans of motogp.It will only leave Jorge as a real threat. I hope I am wrong.



....................however, just as Doohan returned from his severe leg injury that destroyed his title chase in 199? , I believe Casey will return from this period to decimate the motogp field over the next decade and return motogp to its correct condition - Aussie domination....... ha ha (whats the emoticon for manic grin before slobbering collapse?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 7 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Check out this LINK. Click on the picture and you will see Stoner and Bostrom. This was a happenstance picture. But the caption says Stoner may have had compartment syndrome surgery. Don't know what that means for Stoner and his future, but I hope its not a problem.Compartment Syndrome == Arm Pump.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2009, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>k out this LINK. Click on the picture and you will see Stoner and Bostrom. This was a happenstance picture. But the caption says Stoner may have had compartment syndrome surgery. Don't know what that means for Stoner and his future, but I hope its not a problem.
On the other hand he may have had blood taken to diagnose his continuing illness, and they have had to use both arms
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. I am not all that familiar with the current keyhole surgery method for compartment syndrome, but he does not look to have serious post surgical dressings in the picture.

Roger is no doubt returning serve for what he copped in 2007, but his argument is not completely without substance. Professional sport has a large business element these days, and there are many cases of former heroes falling out with their teams or being cut due to injury or other health problems, even when injury has been sustained in the service of the team. In bike racing we have the examples of vale falling out with honda, which few would have predicted in 2001, and eddie lawson whom I believe warrants serious comparison with rossi as an all-time great ending his career with cagiva. Freddie spencer is an example where medical problems apparently derailed a rider with a stunning early career, and it has been widely suggested that dani pedrosa may be too injury prone to keep a top ride. If in 2009 like 2008 stoner has another half season compromised by illness or injury however genuine ducati who are not unknown to be ruthless with riders on occasion may well look for someone healthier.

On the other hand as others have said even with problems he finished second last year and looks likely to finish no worse than third this year which is still rather good both for someone riding a ducati against factory hondas and yamahas with very talented riders and in comparison with ducati's record prior to signing stoner.
 
Maybe the reason Lorenzo gets credit where Stoner doesn't is because Lorenzo hasn't beaten Rossi to a WC yet, he's beaten him in a few races, but hasn't taken the crown away from him, so he hasn't attracted the full fury of the diehard Rossi fanboys? It's ok to praise a rider until he beats their hero to the title, if/when he does that I expect Lorenzo will become as hated a figure, as Hayden & Stoner were when they won.
It also doesn't help that Casey comes across as a fairly negative person, as someone noted in another thread, even when he wins he seems to complain about something. Whereas Lorenzo seems to be much more positive, appears to make less excuses/blame others and appears to admit to his own fears/mistakes & determination to learn from that. I don't know about other people, but those seem like more likeable qualities.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 8 2009, 03:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand he may have had blood taken to diagnose his continuing illness, and they have had to use both arms
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. I am not all that familiar with the current keyhole surgery method for compartment syndrome, but he does not look to have serious post surgical dressings in the picture.

Roger is no doubt returning serve for what he copped in 2007, but his argument is not completely without substance. Professional sport has a large business element these days, and there are many cases of former heroes falling out with their teams or being cut due to injury or other health problems, even when injury has been sustained in the service of the team. In bike racing we have the example of vale falling out with honda, which few would have predicted in 2001, and eddie lawson whom I believe warrants serious comparison with rossi as an all-time great ending his career with cagiva. Freddie spencer is an example where medical problems apparently derailed a rider with a stunning early career, and it has been widely suggested that dani pedrosa may be too injury prone to keep a top ride. If in 2009 like 2008 stoner has another half season compromised by illness or injury however genuine ducati who are not unknown to be ruthless with riders on occasion may well look for someone healthier.

On the other hand as others have said even with problems he finished second last year and looks likely to finish no worse than third this year which is still rather good both for someone riding a ducati against factory hondas and yamahas with very talented riders and in comparison with ducati's record prior to signing stoner.
good post mike and pretty refreshing to see at least one person is using there grey matter and taking my comments in context. You used some great examples above as to how ruthless this business can be and has been in the past. We live in difficult times and our jobs are only as safe for as long as our employers accountants books say. In motogp everything is performance related. I think ducati will be happy with 3rd this year and i hope there financiers are just as happy. Next year we will have to wait and see. Some say we will be lucky if we still have a series next year at all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 8 2009, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the reason Lorenzo gets credit where Stoner doesn't is because Lorenzo hasn't beaten Rossi to a WC yet, he's beaten him in a few races, but hasn't taken the crown away from him, so he hasn't attracted the full fury of the diehard Rossi fanboys? It's ok to praise a rider until he beats their hero to the title, if/when he does that I expect Lorenzo will become as hated a figure, as Hayden & Stoner were when they won.
It also doesn't help that Casey comes across as a fairly negative person, as someone noted in another thread, even when he wins he seems to complain about something. Whereas Lorenzo seems to be much more positive, appears to make less excuses/blame others and appears to admit to his own fears/mistakes & determination to learn from that. I don't know about other people, but those seem like more likeable qualities.
i suppose some may call me a "die hard rossi fan" as ive enjoyed following his career for the past 12 years. ive supported him through his highs and low's just like some of the hayden and stoner fans have supported there guy. It's not always a case of "hatred "towards the guy that beat your fav rider but as jumkie says, its mear banter. And thats what makes the sport and fanship fun.

I myself am fully prepared for Lorenzo to take the title. There is no doubt in my mind that this could happen any time, yes even this season. Unlike rossi who ive always liked and supported ive only taken a shine to lorenzo last year. Like most i thought he was arrogant and full of himself, funny i know as many are justified in saying the same about vale
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But like many race fans here i have done a 360 on the boy. I admire the way he rides and his attitude. i admire the massive crashes he has endured but only to come back faster. But like a real fanboy the thing that impressed me was the time he is willing to give fans. Laguna 08 he was on stage with jt having a laugh and even took the time to come over and shake my hand.
I remember years ago waving at rossi track side, he waved back and popped a wheelie, pretty cool i thougt until i turned around only to notice the only 2 people there was me and the misses.
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I dont hate any of the riders , well maybe gibbers but thats a different story but we find reasons to like our chosen riders. If rossi loses to jorge i dont think he will get as much flack as you think.
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Stoner doesn't seem to make any effort to endear himself to the fans and i think thats part of the reason people look to the negative parts of his personality.We only ever get to see the sour faced complaining bit of him. in fact i think pedro smiles more than he does.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2009, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We live in difficult times and our jobs are only as safe for as long as our employers accountants books say.
Right on the nail. In a matter of nine months, my household income was wiped out due to my partners redundancy in September, and mine last month. Prior to this, I considered my position impregnable. My job went, because the number crunchers in Paris deemed that 30% of staff at my plant had to go, and that, ultimately, is all most of us are - a number.

Casey is a bit beyond that..I suppose Hopper was the biggest victim, and most recently Yuki Takahashi who aside from other things, couldn't bring enough money to his team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 8 2009, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the reason Lorenzo gets credit where Stoner doesn't is because Lorenzo hasn't beaten Rossi to a WC yet, he's beaten him in a few races, but hasn't taken the crown away from him, so he hasn't attracted the full fury of the diehard Rossi fanboys? It's ok to praise a rider until he beats their hero to the title, if/when he does that I expect Lorenzo will become as hated a figure, as Hayden & Stoner were when they won.
It also doesn't help that Casey comes across as a fairly negative person, as someone noted in another thread, even when he wins he seems to complain about something. Whereas Lorenzo seems to be much more positive, appears to make less excuses/blame others and appears to admit to his own fears/mistakes & determination to learn from that. I don't know about other people, but those seem like more likeable qualities.

Valentino is the only rider whose name is known by everybody, even people who never watched a race. On Facebook he has more fans of George Clooney and Brad Pitt together. That is why before generalizing about 'the fury of Rossi's fans' one has to appreciate that such a huge fan base cannot be made of knowers of the sport...

Most of those fans do not really understand racing. All these people see Rossi as an easy-going, relaxed young person who does not take things, and himself, too seriously, and nevertheless is capable to beat the world consistently in a very elite, dangerous sport. That makes for a fascinating image, which is not necessarily 100% true but truly works. It's not easy to replicate that, even if one, like Lorenzo, attends actors studios...
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Barry Sheene was a little like Rossi, he could project an image that was appealing to all, not limited to the racing world. But generally riders are serious or even somber types, more like soldiers or warriors. They are not playful. It's not easy to be like Rossi...! Lorenzo's celebrations completely lack self-irony, for example, to say the least. So these riders, even if they can beat Rossi on the track, they'll never be able to steal that fan base from him.

Besides such a fan base Rossi has received the unconditional praise of all connosseurs of this sport and of all the great champions of the past. Bingo. Beat that...
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From the picture it looks like Casey has had something done to the muscle area of his left arm, but the patch on the right arm is more inside the elbow so was probably used to take blood.

It may be medical/viral, but I suspect he's under a fair bit of pressure to emulate his performances of the previous two seasons and he's not nailing pole positions on his first 5 laps like before. I suspect it's more stress related.

I don't think he has any issues with job security at Ducati unless they pull out of the series altogether. It's been shown that he's pretty much the only person who has been able to ride the bike to it's full potential. Ducati's problem is finding another rider who can do the same. It didn't work with Melandri, and Hayden isn't adapting as quickly as Ducati probably would have hoped.

Give Kallio a go on the factory bike at the post-Valencia fun test. I think he's got the most potential of all of them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 8 2009, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo's celebrations completely lack self-irony, for example, to say the least.

Generally true, although ditching the Aprilia outside the garage and cycling into Parc Ferme on a Fortuna branded fold up bicycle after winning at Phillip Island wasn't exactly projecting a serious image
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 8 2009, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino is the only rider whose name is known by everybody, even people who never watched a race. On Facebook he has more fans of George Clooney and Brad Pitt together. That is why before generalizing about 'the fury of Rossi's fans' one has to appreciate that such a huge fan base cannot be made of knowers of the sport...

Jarno, I purposefully didn't generalise about 'Rossi fans' I carefully referred to the 'diehard Rossi fanboys' as I know most Rossi fans love the sport & appreciate any riders achievements, & I know in a huge fandom like Rossi's there are many non-race fans who follow the man not the sport. But my point was that there are some fans out there who simply cannot take any threat to Rossi & respond with a ridiculous level of abuse against any rider who challenges him & against any poster who dares to criticise him in any way. They may be the unknowledgeable minority, but they often have the loudest voices, posting the same rubbish over & over again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2009, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i suppose some may call me a "die hard rossi fan" as ive enjoyed following his career for the past 12 years. ive supported him through his highs and low's just like some of the hayden and stoner fans have supported there guy. It's not always a case of "hatred "towards the guy that beat your fav rider but as jumkie says, its mear banter. And thats what makes the sport and fanship fun.

I know you're a diehard fan Roger, but you're not one of the mindless fanboys I was referring to, your posts show that, even though you like to have a laugh at other riders, you obviously respect what they do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 8 2009, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry Sheene was a little like Rossi, he could project an image that was appealing to all, not limited to the racing world. But generally riders are serious or even somber types, more like soldiers or warriors. <u>They are not playful</u>. ...
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I generally find your posts to be pretty much spot on. However . . . while there
are the grumpy Lawsons and dour Mladins and the Gary Cooper-ish Roberts
and Rainey types - not to mention the raging Doohans and the puritan Spencer
- You can't really make wholesale evaluations of their personalities based on the "race-face" character
they exhibit in the pits when they are trying to shut out the world and
concentrate wholly on the upcoming race. Roberts was known to be quite the party
boy after hours and something of a practical joker. Read his bio sometime.
Hailwood was known for his sense of humor off track. While the Lawsons and
Doohans of the world do seem for all intents and purposes to be two-dimensional
cowboys - I don't believe that to be true for majority of these guys.
 
I think I was the first to react to Rog's suggestion. Stoner is sick, get over it, it happens. And Nicky replacing Stoner? Nicky straight up NEVER threatened Rossi once in his entire career and money on the table, he never ever will.

Sure there is out of the box thinking but this is simply a fanboy wetdream. Rue the day he returns to fitness and feels like taking over again. Without him Yamaha has a bunch of soft victories just like the Rossibots love.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 8 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I generally find your posts to be pretty much spot on. However . . . while there
are the grumpy Lawsons and dour Mladins and the Gary Cooper-ish Roberts
and Rainey types - not to mention the raging Doohans and the puritan Spencer
- You can't really make wholesale evaluations of their personalities based on the "race-face" character
they exhibit in the pits when they are trying to shut out the world and
concentrate wholly on the upcoming race. Roberts was known to be quite the party
boy after hours and something of a practical joker. Read his bio sometime.
Hailwood was known for his sense of humor off track. While the Lawsons and
Doohans of the world do seem for all intents and purposes to be two-dimensional
cowboys - I don't believe that to be true for majority of these guys.
Excellent post
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Apparently, Dani is also supposedly in possession of a very sharp sense of humour off track.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 8 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think I was the first to react to Rog's suggestion. Stoner is sick, get over it, it happens. And Nicky replacing Stoner? Nicky straight up NEVER threatened Rossi once in his entire career and money on the table, he never ever will.

Sure there is out of the box thinking but this is simply a fanboy wetdream. Rue the day he returns to fitness and feels like taking over again. Without him Yamaha has a bunch of soft victories just like the Rossibots love.

Actually, Nicky did threaten Rossi at the end of 2005 when Nick and Melandri got the 2006 bike. Hayden got to ride it for all of three races before they put him on the spare parts bin. I think Nick would have had a relatively easy title victory if he had ridden the standard 2006 bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2009, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, Nicky did threaten Rossi at the end of 2005 when Nick and Melandri got the 2006 bike. Hayden got to ride it for all of three races before they put him on the spare parts bin. I think Nick would have had a relatively easy title victory if he had ridden the standard 2006 bike.
Agree - but tell that to Tom.

Actually the standard '06 bike was more constructively and systematically improved throughout the year than the Evo/high crank version. Practically everything that Dani requested through Mike Leitner was granted. The result being that the bike progressively and markedly evolved, and was a serious weapon by seasons end. The so called 'Evo' bike which Nicky was saddled with, actually was a misnomer and should have been tagged the 'Devo' bike given everything that was chucked at it IMO.
 
I'm not too worried about Stoner's arm pump if they operate right away. If you recall Lorenzo experienced arm pump during the first 3 races of his rookie year and had it operated on 3 weeks before the next race in China (although we know what happened in China).LINK The mystery illness is what is really concerning. He can't ride through the pain, or workaround the problem, or use a brace for this. The illness is what is going to make or break him this year. They need to properly diagnose and treat the problem before the next round or his championship is going to be in some serious trouble.
 

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