michaelm
Why did you delete your post ? There was nothing controversial or out the ordinary that i saw.
Why did you delete your post ? There was nothing controversial or out the ordinary that i saw.
Stoner to be inducted as legend.
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chopperman
I just didn't feel I had anything substantive to add to the debate, on what is a bike racing thread anyway. As I said earlier, as a point in logic I can't see how those vehement against global warming can have any certainty that there will be no effects, on climate or anything else, from returning the sequestered carbon/CO2 either. As I started to say, my niece who has a PhD in organic chemistry won't be drawn on the acidification of the sea etc though.
I just didn't feel I had anything substantive to add to the debate, on what is a bike racing thread anyway. As I said earlier, as a point in logic I can't see how those vehement against global warming can have any certainty that there will be no effects, on climate or anything else, from returning the sequestered carbon/CO2 either. As I started to say, my niece who has a PhD in organic chemistry won't be drawn on the acidification of the sea etc though.
Joined Oct 2006
445 Posts | 43+
Adelaide, Australia
There's a saying in Japan: one sneeze, and someone is talking about you; two sneezes and someone is saying bad things about you; three sneezes, and you've got a cold. I'm not suffering any cold or flu symptoms, but far too many respected posters have blown far too much smoke up my arse. I feel like I'm in the middle of some kind of colonic irrigation treatment, and the water hasn't dribbled back out. [Apologies for the mental imagery if you read that over breakfast. 
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Arrabbiata1
Heh, well who can compete with ..., drugs and an awards show?
Of course, we all know that the best there's ever been in the annals of Powerslide--something that nothing else comes within a Siberian country mile of--is a certain most excellent adventure: a tale of two star-crossed MotoGP tragics who met on the Internet, and then consummated their love... of drinking (mind out of the gutter, people) at Laguna Seca in 2008.
]Arrabbiata1
Heh, well who can compete with ..., drugs and an awards show?
Of course, we all know that the best there's ever been in the annals of Powerslide--something that nothing else comes within a Siberian country mile of--is a certain most excellent adventure: a tale of two star-crossed MotoGP tragics who met on the Internet, and then consummated their love... of drinking (mind out of the gutter, people) at Laguna Seca in 2008.
Joined Aug 2007
11K Posts | 3K+
Pomona NY
chopperman
With all due respect - this topic has been well covered before. A person can have a genetic defect like lactose intolerance or Celiac/Sprue disease (extreme allergy to wheat) for many years and not exhibit symptoms until some other factor - such as say... the stress of a highly demanding job like racing prototype motorcycles at the world level - exacerbate the condition.
I speak not as a doctor - but as someone who's been down that road myself. I started getting brief intervals of chronic fatigue in my late 20s (coincidentally when I was club racing) but didn't think much of it. It didn't get really bad till I was in my mid thirties after I was working a brutal work schedule and became really stressed following the death of my then wife. I started becoming so fatigued that I couldn't get out of bed for days at a time, and my employer at the time thought I was faking illness because I wanted to take sick days and refused to do overtime. I spent years going to the best doctors in NY and never felt fully healthy. Just over a year ago, quite by accident - I got diagnosed with Celiac Disease, that all the top chronic fatigue doctors missed. Like lactose intolerance - it's genetically inherited but often goes undiagnosed in people when they are as young as someone like Stoner - until crisis or stress exacerbate the condition; and when it does happen, it can cause an abrupt and dramatic "insult" to the immune system that can turn a healthy young person into a weak and helpless mess. Having been accused of malingering and threatened with the loss of my job - I totally related to Stoner's situation back then when many folks accused him of being "weak minded". I felt the same when Melandri was sent to a psychiatrist because he didn't meet the the company's expectations. Food intolerance syndromes are a big joke to people who've never experienced a severely depressed immune system, but those who've suffered through it know its no laughing matter. One of my dearest buddies, Andy Kessler, a legendary skateboarder, got a wasp sting three years ago, and ten minutes later - he was dead. What most folks don't know about the mysteries of the immune system has and continues to fill countless medical journals.
With all due respect - this topic has been well covered before. A person can have a genetic defect like lactose intolerance or Celiac/Sprue disease (extreme allergy to wheat) for many years and not exhibit symptoms until some other factor - such as say... the stress of a highly demanding job like racing prototype motorcycles at the world level - exacerbate the condition.
I speak not as a doctor - but as someone who's been down that road myself. I started getting brief intervals of chronic fatigue in my late 20s (coincidentally when I was club racing) but didn't think much of it. It didn't get really bad till I was in my mid thirties after I was working a brutal work schedule and became really stressed following the death of my then wife. I started becoming so fatigued that I couldn't get out of bed for days at a time, and my employer at the time thought I was faking illness because I wanted to take sick days and refused to do overtime. I spent years going to the best doctors in NY and never felt fully healthy. Just over a year ago, quite by accident - I got diagnosed with Celiac Disease, that all the top chronic fatigue doctors missed. Like lactose intolerance - it's genetically inherited but often goes undiagnosed in people when they are as young as someone like Stoner - until crisis or stress exacerbate the condition; and when it does happen, it can cause an abrupt and dramatic "insult" to the immune system that can turn a healthy young person into a weak and helpless mess. Having been accused of malingering and threatened with the loss of my job - I totally related to Stoner's situation back then when many folks accused him of being "weak minded". I felt the same when Melandri was sent to a psychiatrist because he didn't meet the the company's expectations. Food intolerance syndromes are a big joke to people who've never experienced a severely depressed immune system, but those who've suffered through it know its no laughing matter. One of my dearest buddies, Andy Kessler, a legendary skateboarder, got a wasp sting three years ago, and ten minutes later - he was dead. What most folks don't know about the mysteries of the immune system has and continues to fill countless medical journals.
chopperman
I have chrones disease. Diagnosed at 20. Believe me, there are things you can eat your whole life then overnight you can no longer eat. Pretty fast.
I have chrones disease. Diagnosed at 20. Believe me, there are things you can eat your whole life then overnight you can no longer eat. Pretty fast.
Rising Sun
I can't say anything much more positive than likening someone to John Doyle/Rampaging Roy Slaven.
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There's a saying in Japan: one sneeze, and someone is talking about you; two sneezes and someone is saying bad things about you; three sneezes, and you've got a cold. I'm not suffering any cold or flu symptoms, but far too many respected posters have blown far too much smoke up my arse. I feel like I'm in the middle of some kind of colonic irrigation treatment, and the water hasn't dribbled back out. [Apologies for the mental imagery if you read that over breakfast.
I can't say anything much more positive than likening someone to John Doyle/Rampaging Roy Slaven.
Joined Oct 2006
445 Posts | 43+
Adelaide, Australia
michaelm
And it was much appreciated, in case I didn't make that clear; if, I think, a little undeserved. John Doyle and Greg Pickhaver are legends!
And it was much appreciated, in case I didn't make that clear; if, I think, a little undeserved. John Doyle and Greg Pickhaver are legends!
Is Casey a "legend"? To some, yes. To some, no.
I don't think it is unreasonable, paranoid, or a wild conspiracy theory to propose that Carmelo had other motives for bestowing Casey with this honor, as Michael mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Despite being retired, many still argue about Stoner's achievements, his impact on the sport, and his reasons for leaving. Many still speculate whether he will make a comeback. Many speculate or voice opinions on whether he would be able to compete with MM.
Whatever opinions we have, doesn't really matter. The fact is that the MotoGp fans continue to talk about him. Stories are still run on the web about him, for example, his Honda tests. This would not be desirable for a business (MotoGp) that wants to move on and focus on the future. Giving Stoner this title gives the whole Casey Stoner story closure. His fast tracked legend status also fast tracks him to the past.
I don't think it is unreasonable, paranoid, or a wild conspiracy theory to propose that Carmelo had other motives for bestowing Casey with this honor, as Michael mentioned in the beginning of this thread. Despite being retired, many still argue about Stoner's achievements, his impact on the sport, and his reasons for leaving. Many still speculate whether he will make a comeback. Many speculate or voice opinions on whether he would be able to compete with MM.
Whatever opinions we have, doesn't really matter. The fact is that the MotoGp fans continue to talk about him. Stories are still run on the web about him, for example, his Honda tests. This would not be desirable for a business (MotoGp) that wants to move on and focus on the future. Giving Stoner this title gives the whole Casey Stoner story closure. His fast tracked legend status also fast tracks him to the past.
Joined Mar 2010
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Stoner's autobiography comes out this week, I'm sure there will be a few things in it to keep people talking a little while longer.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pushing-Limits-Two-Time-Champions-Explosive/dp/1409129217
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pushing-Limits-Two-Time-Champions-Explosive/dp/1409129217
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Crab Key
Anyone seen his other book "Victory Lap"? Is is just a coffee table style photo/shitcaption compilation?
And for those who read "Pushing the Limit"....are you able to identify the ghostwriter?
I might wait till it joins "Leathers" on the remainder table.....
And for those who read "Pushing the Limit"....are you able to identify the ghostwriter?
I might wait till it joins "Leathers" on the remainder table.....
Informative and topical video.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-23/motogp-champ-casey-stoner-chats-with-paul-kennedy/5040210?section=sport
Casey is NOT coming back!
ps> Great work Squiggle, but I have learnt to my detriment that you can make little or no progress discussing scientific issues with those that have pre-formed opinions to which they adhere to rigidly. Simple lies are easier to digest than complex truths!
(One definition of intelligence is the ability to assimilate NEW information and respond accordingly. I am finding this intelligence remarkably scarce in the USA and Australia, as well as on many motorcycling forums.)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-23/motogp-champ-casey-stoner-chats-with-paul-kennedy/5040210?section=sport
Casey is NOT coming back!
ps> Great work Squiggle, but I have learnt to my detriment that you can make little or no progress discussing scientific issues with those that have pre-formed opinions to which they adhere to rigidly. Simple lies are easier to digest than complex truths!
(One definition of intelligence is the ability to assimilate NEW information and respond accordingly. I am finding this intelligence remarkably scarce in the USA and Australia, as well as on many motorcycling forums.)
Joined Apr 2011
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Pangea
Bunyip
Cheers Bunny.
I too find this war on science perplexing....but there are only 2 simple statistics you need to know about anthropogenic global warming.
1. There is a consesus of 97.2% of the worlds climate scientists that confirm the science is correct.
In other words for every 28 scientists that deem the science is questionable there are 972 that agree it is a very real threat (apologies to POV as I previously stated that it was about 1 in 1000 scientists to exagerrate for effect)
and secondly.....
2. Those same scientists are 95% certain the observed rise in temperatures are due to man made activity and not natural phenomenom.
Those stats are telling and all other considerations are secondary.....
If people honestly believe that thousands of scientists spread across hundreds of different countries with varying political, socio-economic and cultural differences are involved in a global conspiracy to doctor these results....well nothing I can say will ever change their minds (which is why I no longer try to convince these "skeptics".)
PS Thanks for the Stoner link....I was actually trying to find that interview this morning on ABC iView and had no luck....legend
Cheers Bunny.
I too find this war on science perplexing....but there are only 2 simple statistics you need to know about anthropogenic global warming.
1. There is a consesus of 97.2% of the worlds climate scientists that confirm the science is correct.
In other words for every 28 scientists that deem the science is questionable there are 972 that agree it is a very real threat (apologies to POV as I previously stated that it was about 1 in 1000 scientists to exagerrate for effect)
and secondly.....
2. Those same scientists are 95% certain the observed rise in temperatures are due to man made activity and not natural phenomenom.
Those stats are telling and all other considerations are secondary.....
If people honestly believe that thousands of scientists spread across hundreds of different countries with varying political, socio-economic and cultural differences are involved in a global conspiracy to doctor these results....well nothing I can say will ever change their minds (which is why I no longer try to convince these "skeptics".)
PS Thanks for the Stoner link....I was actually trying to find that interview this morning on ABC iView and had no luck....legend
Mr Squiggle
What do you think about the acidification of the sea thing, more in my line of things as someone trained in biological science rather than modelling; sounds as though that would be directly within your area of expertise.
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Cheers Bunny.
I too find this war on science perplexing....but there are only 2 simple statistics you need to know about anthropogenic global warming.
1. There is a consesus of 97.2% of the worlds climate scientists that confirm the science is correct.
In other words for every 28 scientists that deem the science is questionable there are 972 that agree it is a very real threat (apologies to POV as I previously stated that it was about 1 in 1000 scientists to exagerrate for effect)
and secondly.....
2. Those same scientists are 95% certain the observed rise in temperatures are due to man made activity and not natural phenomenom.
Those stats are telling and all other considerations are secondary.....
If people honestly believe that thousands of scientists spread across hundreds of different countries with varying political, socio-economic and cultural differences are involved in a global conspiracy to doctor these results....well nothing I can say will ever change their minds (which is why I no longer try to convince these "skeptics".)
PS Thanks for the Stoner link....I was actually trying to find that interview this morning on ABC iView and had no luck....legend
What do you think about the acidification of the sea thing, more in my line of things as someone trained in biological science rather than modelling; sounds as though that would be directly within your area of expertise.
