Haha...what door you ....... .....? Its an internet forum
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Stoner threatens to leave MotoGP over rules
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And to think, a couple of weeks ago, everyone here was appreciating the riders and teams that make the sport happen, and the other forum members that make the debates and discussions happen on here. The forum was, unfortunately, at its best then. There was a sense of a community.
However now, we are telling each other to .... off and leave the forum, over opinions of a non-story really. It's a shame.
Why the venom? I understand some people think Stoner is an ... and some kiss his ..., (I just think he is fastest rider in the world, end of) but do we have to get so worked up over it? He's just a guy voicing an opinion. If he read this ...., he'd probably laugh his ... off. As would Jorge, or Valentino.
And if you are telling someone to leave, or shut up, or insulting them, just remember that no matter how much of a .... they have been, it is just as much your fault for stooping to that level.
However now, we are telling each other to .... off and leave the forum, over opinions of a non-story really. It's a shame.
Why the venom? I understand some people think Stoner is an ... and some kiss his ..., (I just think he is fastest rider in the world, end of) but do we have to get so worked up over it? He's just a guy voicing an opinion. If he read this ...., he'd probably laugh his ... off. As would Jorge, or Valentino.
And if you are telling someone to leave, or shut up, or insulting them, just remember that no matter how much of a .... they have been, it is just as much your fault for stooping to that level.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
^ life goes on bro
True dat.
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A NON STORY you say ? haha, the world champ threatens to leave and its a non story ?? Its a non story with you fanboys because it puts your god in a negitive light.
Had any other rider threatened to leave im sure you would have not called it a non story.
Saying this forum was at it best and had a community a couple of weeks ago in this thread disgusts me. Its nothing more than using the death of a rider to distract negitive attention away from stoner. This tactic was used and pointed out in threads at the time and gives me a really bad taste in my mouth. Some of you lately have really shown your true personallitys. Jumkie is correct about some of you, your far worse than any bopper you once slated so much.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
True dat.
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Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Couldn't have said it better myself. I've recently came back to using this forum after a 5 year absense from it...all that I have seen since I have started using it again is a total lack of respect between a lot of people on here and it does not feel like a biker community. A true biking community are all 'brothers' and okay, this is a forum and there will be debates, but what I have seen is awful in my opinion and the forum is not what it used to be. I have now made my last post and I am leaving the forum.
Joined Oct 2006
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Hypocrite of the highest order. U suddenly want to cite Marco yet while they were still burrying him u wanted to talk .... about him. Dont u remember? How did u put it, oh yeah, 'hes ....... dead' when justifying the hate for him u had inside of u that just couldnt wait to be spewed by ur keyboard. Ur the worst of the neo-boppers.
Dude, u've lost it. U cant stomach any minor criticism of Stoner but have been talking massive .... about Rossi, its ur daily theme, and now u want to say these guys deserve ur respect? Ur mind has become twisted because ur now a self made member of a cult. Ur hate for me is simply ur frustration that i have the balls to point it out to u.
U guys have even lost sight of what ur so agry about, Stoner expressing to leave the sport if it changes is a minor but ...... thing to say, but u guys now defend it and go ape .... at Stoner supporters like me who point it out. U've lost ur mind. Ur still hanging on the grudge that i said basically the same thing for his stupid Silverstone comments. U cant stomach anything but worship. If he said today he wanted to kill a bag of puppies, u and ur ilk would be praising him for speaking his mind.
Neo-bopper.
You think I'm using that simply protect Stoner? What the actual ..... You think I care that much about what he says? Jesus Christ Rog...
What I am saying was that there was a sense of comradeship in the aftermath of Sepang. There was a putting aside of differences. But now it's back to telling everyone to .... off from the forum and labeling everyone a bopper.
Joined Aug 2008
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Thailand
Too bad you never visited the Social MotoGP section. U'd have seen that members of all opinions love to get together socialize... A family that tightens up at crucial moments and fights like cats and dogs at others... For some too much work to be part of...
I love all the slagging about posting drunk... come on fess up who hasn't posted when plastered?
And its true Jum does like Casey, more than many anyway... he thinks its an issue, meh, I don't. Unless it becomes a recurring theme to me its just a one-off comment with little or no ulterior motive.
Ahhhh silly season.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Well thats pretty simple. Ur like talking to a dog, no matter what we write, u hear: bark bark bark.
Its so typical of cult members. U've brainwashed urself, and now anything said is filtered by a twisted mind. U think cult members wer born this way? No. At one time they wer normal. Then something happened. Just like u Mental, hav now become koolade drinking cult member.
And here is what i find even worse about u and the few who are among ur ranks, Casey is not putting out the talking point for u to echo, ur taking up his cross simply for urselves. Thats even more scary.
No there was not. Dont be so nieve. There were several members (stoner fans) who saw and used the situation to score points against other members.
True that, I agree, but Stoner should be given some slack here. The dude grew up racing. Dream of racing on MotoGP. Practically all his life he's known just prototype racing. Lame as it may be but hey, he's great. In league with other greats too. (I think the last 2 or so sentences is very irrelevant to your post though I'll just give my thoughts/opinion in here). I never really heard or read anything regarding Stoners displeasure of CRT's. (That's whats this is all about correct), He's just concerned on the lost of prototype racing. "Threaten" though is a powerful word to use. It's in his mind indeed if ever more production based parts comes into the class. But, as long as he likes what he's doing then hey, whats to ..... about then? It just so happens he doesn't agree with it. Doesn't mean he dislikes it. He made a good statement right there not dragging as if he's the motogp spokesperson. He's just saying what he thinks. I can honestly respect to that.
Though as long as he's with a factory Honda though. I don't see him leaving. 3 years tops maybe and that's it for him.
I can understand why you might think that. Your new here so are unaware of the motives of some members. You have not read enough here to understand yet. Give it some time mate and you will
As for your other point about giving casey some slack. I have not really commented either way about what he said. I have merely pointed out that it was not the same as spies comment as suggested by a poster and had to spend the rest of the time defending myself for daring to post the article in the first place. What does that say about the powerslide casey cult ?
Ive even been accused of twisting the story by writing the word "threatened" in the title. Yet all i did was cut and paste title and article from the net, of which there are countless sites all using the word "threatened" in the title. Was i supposed to censor all the parts out that may upset the casey mindless worshiper's before posting ?
Be warned mate, post anything that is not totally complementary about Stoner here and get the cult revenge.
Joined Oct 2006
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There are a few sane Stoner fans left on the site, I'd count you among them, including a few others (Gaz, Frizzle, etal). But while we are on the subject, Mike, please lets not reframe the argument as the new crop of neo-boppers have done to twist the debate. You and many have reminded us how Stoner is a "straight talker", so lets not start imagining what he might be thinking, shall we. It reminds me of what Kropo did when he tried defending Stoner's comments at Silverstone that were plenty clear from the horse's mouth himself. The neo-boppers have framed this introduction of CRTs as an attempt to dethrone Stoner. Typical actually, as any changes in GP are perceived as an attack on Stoner lately. Look no further than Mental's crusade on the lifting of testing limits, he thinks its ONLY about getting Rossi competitive to challenge Stoner (despite the good reasons why this makes sense to lift while in a formula change phase).
Its refreshing to see that you are citing the financial unsustainability of the current situation and the fuel restriction resulting in a certain type of racing connected to the rule. These two points have been lost in members like Mental (who chastised you), notwithstanding, its still true that the rule results in a "typical" (Povol's word) type of racing (good or bad is not my point). In your point, you also recognize a need for a change, not simply because its necessary, but the survival of the sport demands it. Again, lets not start applying ulterior motives (something of a new passtime for Mental) to the unavoidable reality of MotoGP's survival; and frame it as a change for the sake of reining in Stoner.
Btw, I agree with your take on Wsbk. But follow me if you will, there is a defacto "phony equalisation" in reverse in MotoGP for years. Factory bikes vs non, Special tires vs non, tire war vs spec, power politics vs no clout, passport politics, etc. etc. The new GP formula of the future is a much better situation we have had for many years, and I believe the performance (that a few are so scared of facing) will be up there as well. Do you remember the first half of the season two-stroke vs four-stroke? Do you rmember the first half of the season of Moto2 vs WSS? Mike, when they went from 990s to 800s, the idea was to restrain performance, that is, 'slow' down the bikes, how many riders suggested to leave the sport? You may argue that this is because it was done for safety, well in this case its done because the cost is simply unsustainable (as you admit), what is the difference? When they moved from 500s two-stroke, to four-stroke, many saw it as a sell out to the future of the production platform, and said, this is Grand Prix racing, that is, racing for the sake of racing, NOT racing for the sake of building a better production machine or adhering to emission standards for the consumer motorcycle, how is this so different? I pose these questions to you because I believe you can appreciate them but certainly lost in members only seeing red.
Whining about the whining, I like that. But not all whining is created equal, right? I mean, in the same article above you have Spies expressing his apprehension about the new formula yet still manages to express he still wanting to be part of the sport (fact), while Stoner expressed a similar feeling about the formula, he went a bit beyond that and expressed contempt by suggesting not be part of the sport, please tell me you see the difference. That is a difference that I think you might understand, especially a difference understood by our new crop of neo-boppers who recognized this kind of talk before. When Rossi expressed a possible early exit of the sport because he wasn't happy with something (same ....), there were no shortage of people "whinging about his whining", right? You know who they are, but if you forgot, its pretty much the same ones here on this thread now downplaying Stoner's suggestion on leaving the sport. Yes, downplaying it, nothing to see here, no big deal, its just him expressing himself, just being a "straight talker", etc. Michealm, do you see a double standard in that?
Now this is coming from a guy who was once counted as a "friend" to the cause of Stoner's defense. A moderate who wasn't quite a Stoner fan in the classic sense but appreciated the man as a person and his unrivaled talent. Think for a moment what is happening here. If you like, reread my first post on this thread. Stoner's suggestion to leave because he's unhappy with changes, as the champ of the series, deserves some criticism, if nothing else, scrutiny of his comments. Look at the reaction from Mental, Mr. Squigz, Birdman, etc. Is that the kind of reaction that is warranted? It remind me of American politics in the last decade. If you lived here, you would recognize the connection. The right have become radicalized, and moderate-right have become much more vial than the opposing party. Yes, the Republican party has moved further to the right, and moderate Republicans have become the subject of their scorned...by their own. They are in the process of extricating moderates in exchange for extreme right. Moderates are viewed as worse than the rival party, Democrats. One thing I like about this forum is that it displays certain human tendencies. I find it interesting that this year, those that use to (past tense) employ sound logic to debate against the cult of personality, now employ the same tactic, but even worse. I hope you continue to be the voice of reason and stay moderate, which really is code for sane.
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There surely was, until Bunyip and Mental said the sense of community was ........, and proceeded on trying to create dissonance. Then they started a campaign of calling out people's motives. Did you miss those posts? Check the "fall out" thread so you can remind yourself. They've made it difficult for the sense of community to exist, as they have been on a crusade to blame the new changes in GP on the Stoner vs Rossi theme they are stuck on.
Yes, it really is a shame. This is why when I post, I call out people by name, so it's clear who I'm talking about. I suppose the better thing to do is ignore them. I haven't got to a point where I can do that. I tried for a few weeks, but it hasn't worked. Btw, two-stroke, sometimes its just a challenge to our take and nothing more, but some will take it personal, and respond in kind, I'm guilty of reacting that way myself. For example, take your interpretation of Stoner's comments, you said it was basically the same thing that Spies said, but I and other saw it as decidedly NOT the same. Should your interpretation go unchallenged? After all, isnt that what we do around here? Follow this thread again from its beginning, check out the reactions people had and start to pinpoint where this thread started to take flight in a direction of people saying to ".... off". Its not a blanket you should be throwing, it comes from very specific places.
The venom comes from people who worship a figure and take it personal when not everybody is in lock step with their demand that everybody worship in the same fashion. Take for example this comment by Stoner. He suggested to leave the sport in addition to his criticism of the direction the sport is going. You said others said similar things. But you failed to make the very real distinction of Stoner's comments going further. By him suggesting to leave the sport, he is in effect saying he is above it. Did you know that some of the same people here now downplaying Stoner said the same thing I'm saying when Rossi made a similar suggestion of exiting the sport? That is something that continues to get lost in this thread, as people are framing it differently. They say, well he has a right to leave, he owes us nothing (so did Rossi). This is true. But that is a reframing of the point. Then they go on to say, well, others don't like the new rules either, yes, true, but that is again NOT the point, as they have reframed it (btw, it was same for Rossi's case). The point IS that Stoner suggested a change would result in him leaving the sport because he is better than the sport. That is disrespectful to a sport that has given him in return everything he has accomplished. I personally think there are two things happening, one, he just simply doesn't express himself well as a young man, but two, he really does have some contempt in his heart. The thread simply is exploring this, as we all sit around wasting our time talking about stuff that has zero effect on our real lives or theirs (I'm ok with it, its fun). Notice there have been a few here high-horsing they are unbothered by the comments, yet, here they are, debating and contributing to the thread. Go back and read my first post, notice I said its a "minor" flaw of Stoner, yet will continue to admire the man as the best talent. You would not know it from the reception I've had from Mental, Squigz, BM, Pov, Birdman, etc. And when I read them get flustered, it eggs me on, because it really is amusing, and as you say, I stoop to their level. And because seeing them as thin skinned and unable to handle a 'minor' criticism of Stoner makes me realize the type of person that is replying to me. It makes me laugh, but apart from that, its also interesting to me to see human tendency on full display. The net allows for it.
You are jumping to conclusions aren't you? While the Ducati has issues in some ways it has always had a better engine and more capability if someone could ride it like stoner. The Yamaha was at its potential for years. If the Yamaha and Ducati are being ridden at their potential, a comparison can be made. Rossi was ahead after this. Not withstanding that stoner was riding a more difficult bike. Now they have changed and Rossi is riding a bike that he 's not getting the potential out of while stoner is getting the potential out of his. Stoner has now passed rossi's record over the time they were competing together but he didn't do it while Rossi was on a bike he was comfortable with. Stoner's record shows that he would have struggled for a win in 2011 if still on the Ducati. He was heading backwards the more time he spent on it while the Honda is the bike to be on.
Mr Squiggle, you really don't like it when someone doesn't agree with your take. I'm waiting for the insults in the next post. I'm simply stating facts.
Back to the thread topic, I do think that this is a storm in a teacup. I don't have an issue with stoner's comments and really it was the way the headline was written in the article that created that storm. I don't think it was a threat to leave, more a commentary on his enjoyment on the sport should it head the way it was suggested. Maybe the way it was delivered could be improved but that is the nature of stoner so he's always going to grab a headline from some sensationalist journalist.
Sorry if I haven't given you something to be outraged about Squiggle or Mental.
Sorry if I haven't given you something to be outraged about Squiggle or Mental.
