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Stoner threatens to leave MotoGP over rules

If I could interject with what might be a key point in the knocking of Stoner over this comment....



There seems to be a common theme running through the criticisms, that Stoner:


  • []Is obligated to keep riding whilst ever he's on the top of his game

    []Should be appreciative of what the sport has done for him

    []Keep making $$ because it is there to be made

    []Be an ambassador / politically correct / set an example.

    []etc etc

I don't think any of these things are necessarily true.
 
Geez, the guy can't win.



Stoner now 'threatens' to give a lot of fans exactly what they have asked for / whinged about by leaving the sport ................. and they whinge about it. Seriously people.





What does Stoner say that is wrong or objectionable?



He basically is saying that he is there to race prototypes and to remove that from the sport will lessen it's appeal to him and as such he would need to decide if the sport still has that appeal. I say fair enough as no doubt IMO the CRT will lessen/cheapen the sport to a degree (and Jums, leave the rabid hound asking for reasons - I have none other than what I like to see) and maybe, just maybe he seeks prototype bike racing.



Besides, to me he does not say that he 'will' leave only that he 'does not know' which is non-commital is it not?



This is all much ado about nothing anyway as one can bet that Stoner is not alone in his feelings (be that riders or team members) as all are simply pawns in the larger game played by DORNA, and nor is it the first time someone has made such comments about an aspect of the sport (tyres anyone?)



Also, for those saying it is likely a hollow 'threat' Stoner did say in a televised interview at PI that he will race as long as he enjoys himself and 'whilst he is not enjoying it as much, he still enjoys it'.



Oh, and I really couldn't care about the CRT bikes as whilst I readily applaud the initiatives of increasing grid numbers, I am a fan of the pure unobtanium of Grands Prix machinery and knowing that the CRT biked will include a production engine etc just lessens something.



Again jums, the above are simply opinions based on what I like in and about the sport and I do hope to be wrong in that I hope the CRT's can provide a spectacle but I want the best of the best on the best







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Motorcycle racing is struggling b/c it doesn't take care of people. Reducing superstar pay looks like viable plan to increase grid numbers, but spending more money on equipment and less money on people will only exacerbate the problems in GP.

I didnt mean reduce superstar pay. I meant how does motogp distribute. Top three riders get $35M and the rest share what, $20M between them?

At present they distribute 7 GPs to Spain and Italy. They distribute 9 positions to Spanish and Italian riders.

Naturally they distribute the highest salaries to Italian and Spanish riders. And this in turn probably defines who can and cant be a superstar.

Its an unequal distribuation for what is supposed to be a worldwide sporting series. And it looks to be a very poor future growth strategy.
 
Im coining the term today: neo-boppers.



Like the old boppers, except much much worse.

dude.....wtf



name 3 current users that compare to the old boppers and spoil this board more



why get so upset when people point out that youre becoming more and more radical?i've been here for a few years and i can certainly tell you're becoming more and more like my alcoholic great grand uncle who got so cynic that he ended up hating nicky and himself
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really come on man

and just for the record, i find much much more content(and amusement....
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on topic : we're all used to the champ threatening to leave the series. the difference here however for me is that stoner didn't make any demands. he "threatened" to retire anyways, if this makes it easier on him to live a happy life with his family, so be it.

i can see that this isn't exactly what an ambassador does for the sport, lorenzo chose his words more wisely but is this really worth debating?
 
Um, he expressed himself differently to the other guys but said in principle the same thing - he don't like CRT bikes.



This is another one of those threads where I cannot believe we re at page 4.



It will continue on....all off season.



I disagree with Stoner and I cite my own post from another thread (The James Ellison thread)



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Motogp has got itself into quite a quandary hasn't it.



I think the problem is what to do when the world economy is .... and Honda was leasing a prototype 800 for over 5 million Euro. I had quoted the exact figure in a prior thread exactly suffice to say it is bloody expensive.



Left as is there will be no motogp on the basis of cost and as an ideal I like the idea of pure prototype racing, the industry just cannot sustain it. And unlike formula 1 there is a much cheaper alternative series in the form of superbikes where lap times are only marginally less.



A1GP (the opposition to F1) lasted from 2005 to 2009 before going into liquidation but the opposition series (WSBK) which competes for manufacturers budget and sponsors money has been going strong and getting more so since 1988, it isn't going to disappear anytime soon.



Part of the problem is the quick turn around of technology from prototypes to production in motorcycles (and the Aprilia APRC package or the Ducati electronics are classic examples) and thus the blending of the two even as an interim measure will be the only way to fill a grid in motogp.



F1 doesn't suffer this because we don't have open wheeled cars on the road producing prodigious amounts of horsepower and down force and so on, but one can buy a motorcycle that has comparable performance, and has all the basics, Aluminium deltabox (perimeter) frame, telescopic upside down front forks, single rear shock and alloy swing arm, + the electronics and be on the road on something that isn't that far removed from the 5 million Euro prototype.



The basic layout of the road bike and prototype are much the same. Unless some amazing technology arrives that makes prototypes even faster then the wolves of WSBK are really knocking at the door.



James Ellison aside (who shouldn't be on the same track) the CRT bikes should be the step up for the Bradl. Marquez and Ianone's NOT has been riders like Ellison.



On that basis alone the CRT bikes should have been able to lure anyone from the top ten in moto2 or WSBK but this is where the real problem reveals itself.



Checa or Biaggi are not going to leave the WSBK field where they can be champion of a respectable series to ride the second rung bikes.



The same goes for the moto2 leaders who are looking for a real step onto a factory bike (via a satellite team). Do you then make a rule (yes another complicated rule in the sport) that forces manufacturers to support a number of CRT bikes, to then have a three tiered ascendency to the factory bikes. It becomes a championship within a championship and those on the edge (Suzuki) would likely just pull the pin altogether - how do you force Ducati who haven't made a four cylinder road bike for a number of years into this hierarchy?



The only thing we can do is adopt the stance of eternal optimisim and hope for the best. When DORNA work out that it is a steaming pile of .... they have created I honestly hope the world economies are in a healthier state, otherwise motogp will be the laughing stock of all forms of racing, yes a series that offers points down to 15th place but for a number of races this year haven't been able to put 15 bikes on the grid and are less likely to do so without CRT, you could get a championship point (qualifying rules aside) on a postie bike.



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[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"]The future of the sport is probably at its most fragile point however the last thing you will get from riders, teams, factories and sponsors is a nice consensus on how to keep it going. The thing Stoner hates most about the sport is the politics and he is not politically adroit, but we all show our puerile side and our own lack of canniness when a rider we like/dislike expresses a particular opinion as we then give allegiance (or oppose) the decision whether it is a sound one or not. [/font]



[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"]​For me prototype racing is preferred but we have more chance of pushing a pound of butter up a porcupines arse with a hot knitting needle than we have of creating and maintaining that situation over the next few years economically. [/font]



[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"]If I was hot headed and hadn't swallowed the little book of calm with my medication I might just say, ".... it, this is ...., I'm out the door". But we all speak different like...[/font]
 
Just a couple of weeks ago everyone was morning the loss of Sic. A young 24 year old guy putting his arse on the line to pursue the sport he loved. He had been at it for 20 years. Finally he had arrived at the pinnacle. His story was similar to Stoner's, Dovi's, Pedrosa's, Bautista's etc etc. Each of their stories are THEIR stories. Each of their lives and bodies are THEIRS to risk. Sic risked his and lost, we all morned.



But on internet forums a bunch of dead .... keyboard jockeys most likely pissed on their own useless and unfulfilled lives wants to call one of them, Stoner, out because he says "I don't want to risk my life riding a 'Touring' bike". Then those same dead .... drunks want to lambast others for defending that riders decision. Well, all I can say Jum is get a life .... head, you and your petty little essays are pathetic and the fact that you think most of us give a .... that you are able to rationalise your own thoughts inside your little drunken haze is sad.
 
Um guys ........... all Stoner said was "I don't know if I want to .... ", nothing more ......... its just Reg. thats translating that to mean "threatens" ....... and Jumkie in his usual fashion has got carried away with it as well.



So at the moment all we have is that Reg. is misinterpreting something to suit his usual bopper crap. .......... nothing more.



Stoner said .... all ......... Reg. tries to make another molehill .... .
 
From his comment Stoner unsure he want to be part of CRTGP. His goal was to be a part of MotoGP. The same like you ask a rider which class he/she want to be in between Moto2 and MotoGP. Guess what the answer you'll receive...



You all are so screwed in the head after being seduced by amateur journalist...
 
If he wants to leave go for it.



The guy has spent the last 12 years travelling the world riding a bike with the dream to be 'number 1' in the hardest championship in the world. He has done that twice.



Whats wrong with leaving and having a life that doesn't involve living from a suitcase?
 
If he wants to leave go for it.



The guy has spent the last 12 years travelling the world riding a bike with the dream to be 'number 1' in the hardest championship in the world. He has done that twice.



Whats wrong with leaving and having a life that doesn't involve living from a suitcase?



He owes Reg.!! thats what!!
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If Casey goes, who is Reg. and co. going to whinge and moan about
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Well much ado about nothing really....if this is a precursor to the standard of posts in the off season I wont be hanging around to discuss anything until the racing begins again.



Jumkie your hollow apologies in the past few days for previous indiscretions mean bugger all after this lame and pathetic alcohol fuelled rant about absolutely NOTHING. After the tragic events of the past few weeks I thought you would have learnt a valuable lesson - obviously I was wrong.
 
Threatening to leave the sport? Sounds familiar.... And the cult followers he's recently created who are echoing him smack no different. Maybe Stoner should offer his salary back in hopes that they put that money back into the technology of his bike. Somebody might want to sit down with the young man and take the time to explain the vital marketing equation part of racing. If he feels this strongly about the lack of funds to sustain the technology, then he should be out pedaling Hondas at every dealership. God knows how much he enjoys making marketing appearances. Why does this remind me of the prevalent ignorance/arrogance of the Motegi debacle this year?



Stoner is no doubt in my mind the best rider in the world. I admire the dude on several levels, most of which is his ability to ride a bike beyond even the best on the planet. Notwithstanding, my praise, in the eyes of his cult fans of late, my motives are probably in question. In their eyes, I have probably become a detractor (maybe even a ‘hater’) for some of his more radical fans who can’t stand me pointing out some minor flaws in the young man, yes minor, now move along. Nothing but positive accolade for Stoner is expected of me I suppose. He has so much going for him too, loving supportive parents, a pretty wife, a kid on the way, world champ (on his bday at his home GP no less) and one of the best packages (if not thee best) in the series, and loot to boot. How he finds something to complain about is really beyond the pale. Maybe he should take the advice of some of his fans and leave the sport; after all, it doesn't seem to suit him considering his criticism and lack of enjoyment, right right (....... idiots). When he smiles, it seems to be big news. Despite all his talent, he just doesn't seem cut out to handle the reality of life, that is, that it changes constantly. I mean, I get criticism of the series, but threatening to leave it? Dude, WTF.



When we changed from 990s to 800s, I remember reading how this was going to render the speeds and performance unspectacular. And within a few rounds, the speeds were back up. Burgess even suggested we turn to 600s as the premier class displacement. All this doom and gloom recently from a few members that try to put on the cloak of purism or worried that this is "dumbing down" the series, or who declare this is no longer "prototype" racing (despite arbitrary rules for every formula including the next), or this is simply pseudo engineering of close racing, seems to forget we already have had several formula changes, every time with the doom and gloom birds chirping the end of the world.



I for one hope Stoner is just being the complaining guy in the room we've known him to be and really doesn't leave the sport. Every time he takes the track, especially when he rode for Ducati, I felt we are/were watching something truly special. But if he does decide to leave, he will lose most of the respect sane people have for him, as he will turn his back on the sport and fans because he will have thought he was bigger than it. I’m sure some of his radicalized fans will reply that he is the man for threatening to leave the sport, some of which probably talked massive .... when Rossi attempted to do the same thing. Perhaps its just human nature, I thought Rossi was unique in being the head of a cult, it seems to be turning out, it doesn't matter who the head is, we will always have fans on the outside fringe of insanity who echo the talking point no mater how out of step with reality it may be.



I can see Casey and Ben and any other rider wanting the most exquisite jewelry on the bike in terms of the latest technology, but that doesn't pay for itself. Btw, didn't most of the riders also say they preferred less rider aids? Newsflash, the most "technological" thing is probably the electronics. In what world does this make sense, you claim you don’t want electronics but then poo poo when they aim to get rid of them by increasing the fuel limits. The components will probably stay the same and get better as more money will surely be diverted to the hardware of the bike, where the brain of the rider will manage the machine, not some elaborate and extremely complicated computer because somebody arbitrary decided 21 liters was the rule Jesus would have wanted. About the change of formula in the series, its just change, and people hate change. This is the reality of life that I have to live with and everybody else on the planet. Deal with it and get a grip.



Jumkie, this is so on the money compa, and reinforces what so many folk have said for years, Stoner is a greetin faced wee ....... with a lifestyle and talent people would die for, and he still ....... moans.



In my old job, I worked with kids who came home fae school to watch mum and dads dealer taking their furniture to sell, or who had seen their mum kicked unconcious by the dealers henchmen for trying to get clean. And a guy who travels the world with his mum an dad an his wife can barely smile when he wins the most prestige motorcycle race in the world?



Spoiled little ......., cannae stand his ....., moans if someone passes him or is on the track when he is qualifying, throws sucker punches at other riders on the track and cried like a girl to race direction about Simoncelli.



The reason riders like Rossi and Sic have huge fanbases is that they have (had for Sic) the best job in the world and they are enjoying it, not moaning about how hard done by they are
 
Jumkie, this is so on the money compa, and reinforces what so many folk have said for years, Stoner is a greetin faced wee ....... with a lifestyle and talent people would die for, and he still ....... moans.



In my old job, I worked with kids who came home fae school to watch mum and dads dealer taking their furniture to sell, or who had seen their mum kicked unconcious by the dealers henchmen for trying to get clean. And a guy who travels the world with his mum an dad an his wife can barely smile when he wins the most prestige motorcycle race in the world?



Spoiled little ......., cannae stand his ....., moans if someone passes him or is on the track when he is qualifying, throws sucker punches at other riders on the track and cried like a girl to race direction about Simoncelli.



The reason riders like Rossi and Sic have huge fanbases is that they have (had for Sic) the best job in the world and they are enjoying it, not moaning about how hard done by they are



You don't think you have the names Rossi and Stoner totally arse about do you? You sure are wrong about both of their personas
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Find me a picture from 2011 where Stoner was not happy ....... even the "talent v's ambition" commentwas made with a smile
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Find me a picture from 2011 where Rossi was not almost in tears ......



Not one thing you say above gels with reality.













This is all just another "whinge at Stoner cos he won again" thing, and the stupid thing is you folk get on here with your childish nightmares and moan and whimper and then attribute those characteristics to a guy who is obviously the total opposite ............ fruity!!
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I guarantee you that as we speak Casey Stoner is not whingng on the net about some Scotish guy whinging and moaning about him ......... he may be having ............. fun
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Basspete, What a complete load of crap. Stoner's smile was ear to ear. You, Jumkie and Chop are living in a deluded fantasy world that was once able to be believed through the sheer weight of the perpetuated myth. Now all the deluded fans are gone because that world can no longer be substantiated. No one believes you any more and you are all fast becoming irrelevant.
 
You boppers have been denying reality for soooo long it has now become second nature.



Stoner unhappy! Hehe yeah he looked so pissed off when he won the title at Phillip Island a few weeks back....what a miserable sod.



And Rossi's had a grin from ear to ear since hopping on the Duke at the start of the year....right? You lot are just so pissed off he has showed up your hero for being the second rate rider that he currently is....all the sooking in the world wont change this fact.
 
Um guys ........... all Stoner said was "I don't know if I want to .... ", nothing more ......... its just Reg. thats translating that to mean "threatens" ....... and Jumkie in his usual fashion has got carried away with it as well.



So at the moment all we have is that Reg. is misinterpreting something to suit his usual bopper crap. .......... nothing more.



Stoner said .... all ......... Reg. tries to make another molehill .... .

Oh really ? I work for Autosport now do i ?
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You really are a moron berry !

Note the title of the article.

http://uk.eurosport....togp-rules.html



A world champ threatens to leave if the new formula goes ahead and his fans dont think that was worthy of a thread to disscuss. jeez
 

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