Stoner threatens to leave MotoGP over rules

chopperman said:

Putting words into my mouth now

Where did i say dani was not responsible for his bike ?

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cliché guevara said:

just teasing

you know what i mean

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chopperman said:

Well not really but at least your not claiming to be a mind reader

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chopperman said:

Dont know but id love to see that team back. Maybe shelved moto2 in favor of CRT. I can wish.

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Gaz said:

May I suggest you google it then.

Gaz

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chopperman said:

A NON STORY you say ? haha, the world champ threatens to leave and its a non story ?? Its a non story with you fanboys because it puts your god in a negitive light.

Had any other rider threatened to leave im sure you would have not called it a non story.

Saying this forum was at it best and had a community a couple of weeks ago in this thread disgusts me. Its nothing more than using the death of a rider to distract negitive attention away from stoner. This tactic was used and pointed out in threads at the time and gives me a really bad taste in my mouth. Some of you lately have really shown your true personallitys. Jumkie is correct about some of you, your far worse than any bopper you once slated so much.

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Andy Roo said:

Hey Rog, there is a beautiful, lengthy well established history of champions threatening to leave motogp over rule disagreements.



It is a bit of non story because we have had champions threaten to go rally driving, F1 driving WSBK and all of the above.



Whole teams have threatened to pull out over tyres.



I (Casey fan) think Casey is dead wrong on CRT as the sport has to be made for the times and the times are tough, and CRT is the best of both worlds.



It still isn't ideal but it's the best solution I've seen thus far.



When I threw in my Jumkie length essay thread I posed the question what should motogp (Dorna) do?



Nobody (especially this forum) but including Casey Ben Dovi and whoever else from within the sport has offered an opinion has come up with a reasonable alternative to CRT.



This is what I'd like to hear from the riders teams and Internet forum troglodytes - a solution.

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Mick D said:

Damn, takes a logical, even-tempered Canuck to point out the obvious. There have always been, and always will be caveats to full prototype racing - something peeps here conveniently left out of their "dumbed-down" arguments. BTW Bluegreen, though I'm from the Toronto area I love all of Canada and have spent significant time in the East, Prairies and West, one of my daughters lives in Kelowna... So I say .... the East/West hatred and focus on the U.S. corporate .... of our natural resources which has escalated exponentially since the NAFTA agreement...

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woody996 said:

Except if you are talking money, championships, races or fan base.

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bluegreen said:

Pull 25 odd NSR500's out of mothballs. I know two guys who would do pretty well on them

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chopperman said:

Oh really ? I work for Autosport now do i ?

You really are a moron berry !

Note the title of the article.

http://uk.eurosport....togp-rules.html



A world champ threatens to leave if the new formula goes ahead and his fans dont think that was worthy of a thread to disscuss. jeez

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Andy Roo said:

Hey Rog, there is a beautiful, lengthy well established history of champions threatening to leave motogp over rule disagreements.



It is a bit of non story because we have had champions threaten to go rally driving, F1 driving WSBK and all of the above.



Whole teams have threatened to pull out over tyres.



I (Casey fan) think Casey is dead wrong on CRT as the sport has to be made for the times and the times are tough, and CRT is the best of both worlds.



It still isn't ideal but it's the best solution I've seen thus far.



When I threw in my Jumkie length essay thread I posed the question what should motogp (Dorna) do?



Nobody (especially this forum) but including Casey Ben Dovi and whoever else from within the sport has offered an opinion has come up with a reasonable alternative to CRT.



This is what I'd like to hear from the riders teams and Internet forum troglodytes - a solution.

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BarryMachine said:

You are stupid enough to believe it Reg. , I think thats the point folk are saying. Surely you read Stoners actual comments before you got sucked in ?

It would appear not

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Jumkie said:

There are a few sane Stoner fans left on the site, I'd count you among them, including a few others (Gaz, Frizzle, etal). But while we are on the subject, Mike, please lets not reframe the argument as the new crop of neo-boppers have done to twist the debate. You and many have reminded us how Stoner is a "straight talker", so lets not start imagining what he might be thinking, shall we. It reminds me of what Kropo did when he tried defending Stoner's comments at Silverstone that were plenty clear from the horse's mouth himself. The neo-boppers have framed this introduction of CRTs as an attempt to dethrone Stoner. Typical actually, as any changes in GP are perceived as an attack on Stoner lately. Look no further than Mental's crusade on the lifting of testing limits, he thinks its ONLY about getting Rossi competitive to challenge Stoner (despite the good reasons why this makes sense to lift while in a formula change phase). Its refreshing to see that you are citing the financial unsustainability of the current situation and the fuel restriction resulting in a certain type of racing connected to the rule. These two points have been lost in members like Mental (who chastised you), notwithstanding, its still true that the rule results in a "typical" (Povol's word) type of racing (good or bad is not my point). In your point, you also recognize a need for a change, not simply because its necessary, but the survival of the sport demands it. Again, lets not start applying ulterior motives (something of a new passtime for Mental) to the unavoidable reality of MotoGP's survival; and frame it as a change for the sake of reining in Stoner. Btw, I agree with your take on Wsbk. But follow me if you will, there is a defacto "phony equalisation" in reverse in MotoGP for years. Factory bikes vs non, Special tires vs non, tire war vs spec, power politics vs no clout, passport politics, etc. etc. The new GP formula of the future is a much better situation we have had for many years, and I believe the performance (that a few are so scared of facing) will be up there as well. Do you remember the first half of the season two-stroke vs four-stroke? Do you rmember the first half of the season of Moto2 vs WSS? Mike, when they went from 990s to 800s, the idea was to restrain performance, that is, 'slow' down the bikes, how many riders suggested to leave the sport? You may argue that this is because it was done for safety, well in this case its done because the cost is simply unsustainable (as you admit), what is the difference? When they moved from 500s two-stroke, to four-stroke, many saw it as a sell out to the future of the production platform, and said, this is Grand Prix racing, that is, racing for the sake of racing, NOT racing for the sake of building a better production machine or adhering to emission standards for the consumer motorcycle, how is this so different? I pose these questions to you because I believe you can appreciate them but certainly lost in members only seeing red. Whining about the whining, I like that. But not all whining is created equal, right? I mean, in the same article above you have Spies expressing his apprehension about the new formula yet still manages to express he still wanting to be part of the sport (fact), while Stoner expressed a similar feeling about the formula, he went a bit beyond that and expressed contempt by suggesting not be part of the sport, please tell me you see the difference. That is a difference that I think you might understand, especially a difference understood by our new crop of neo-boppers who recognized this kind of talk before. When Rossi expressed a possible early exit of the sport because he wasn't happy with something (same ....), there were no shortage of people "whinging about his whining", right? You know who they are, but if you forgot, its pretty much the same ones here on this thread now downplaying Stoner's suggestion on leaving the sport. Yes, downplaying it, nothing to see here, no big deal, its just him expressing himself, just being a "straight talker", etc. Michealm, do you see a double standard in that? Now this is coming from a guy who was once counted as a "friend" to the cause of Stoner's defense. A moderate who wasn't quite a Stoner fan in the classic sense but appreciated the man as a person and his unrivaled talent. Think for a moment what is happening here. If you like, reread my first post on this thread. Stoner's suggestion to leave because he's unhappy with changes, as the champ of the series, deserves some criticism, if nothing else, scrutiny of his comments. Look at the reaction from Mental, Mr. Squigz, Birdman, etc. Is that the kind of reaction that is warranted? It remind me of American politics in the last decade. If you lived here, you would recognize the connection. The right have become radicalized, and moderate-right have become much more vial than the opposing party. Yes, the Republican party has moved further to the right, and moderate Republicans have become the subject of their scorned...by their own. They are in the process of extricating moderates in exchange for extreme right. Moderates are viewed as worse than the rival party, Democrats. One thing I like about this forum is that it displays certain human tendencies. I find it interesting that this year, those that use to (past tense) employ sound logic to debate against the cult of personality, now employ the same tactic, but even worse. I hope you continue to be the voice of reason and stay moderate, which really is code for sane.

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chopperman said:

Get rid of fuel limits for a start. Ive always said Turbo's would make the sport cheaper. Squigs idea of low octane fuel is stupid imo. Imagine the cost of building engines with the power needed and not detonate. Unless he wants the power of gp bike's reduced to that of a road bike of course.

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