Stoner says: It's about the money.

inam said:

I know its your opinion but i have to say its pretty retarted opinion never the less mate, can i ask you on what facts you have based your opinion on or is it based on Rossi's 2 day testing on Ducati like many others have here now.

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Sorry buddy, but the two day test....it did happen man. Anarchist isnt saying anything different then Ducati's media message. What is the theme of that message inam? The theme is Ducati must improve. Why r they saying this? Answer this.



Oh yeah, its based on that two day test u r ignoring. R u angry at Ducati too? They reaction is fueling the sense that Rossi is ...... on that bike. Oh but u read that Anarchist is saying Vale sucks right? But no, thats not what he said inam. Come on dude, dont go down the road Talpa is going.

Jumkie said:

Kesh, not pit bull, much much smaller. He's lost it man. Talps has now become PS most prolific troll. Hes out done the infamous ones. Self-destruction.

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Come on Jumkie no one can beat you in trolling department on PS

inam said:

I know its your opinion but i have to say its pretty retarted opinion never the less mate, can i ask you on what facts you have based your opinion on or is it based on Rossi's 2 day testing on Ducati like many others have here now.

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Dude, if your going to call someone a ......, at least spell it right. It makes you look kind of "........" when you don't.

Jumkie said:

Sorry buddy, but the two day test....it did happen man. Anarchist isnt saying anything different then Ducati's media message. What is the theme of that message inam? The theme is Ducati must improve. Why r they saying this? Answer this.



Oh yeah, its based on that two day test u r ignoring. R u angry at Ducati too? They reaction is fueling the sense that Rossi is ...... on that bike. Oh but u read that Anarchist is saying Vale sucks right? But no, thats not what he said inam. Come on dude, dont go down the road Talpa is going.

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I am not angry with Ducati or anybody else, every one is entitled to have their opinion. All i am asking is to give Rossi fair chance on Ducati before judging him. Guy had a shoulder surgery straight after the test buddy which some has been questioning on this forum including yourself.



Don't forget his time of 1.33.7 is the same time he achieved on his M1 on Friday practice session.



As far as your question about why Ducati need to improve, all you have to see where Ducati riders finished in the standing this year (4th and 7th). This clearly shows that Ducati have to improve in order to challenge for championship.

povol said:

Dude, if your going to call someone a ......, at least spell it right. It makes you look kind of "........" when you don't.

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I didn't knew that we have Grammar nazi on PS, i will do spelling check next time

In my opinion Inam there are 2 riders on the grid who are equally as fast if not faster than Rossi.



What has passed so far is that the Ducati is not of a set up that Rossi can ride fast. This can be determined by the results of the test and the subsequent media reports of a full front end redesign along with comments such as "Ducati must improve" etc etc.



My comments were that for Rossi to win against the current fast crop of riders he will not do it on talent alone because if he could a redesign would not be required. Rossi will need a Ducati which is a better bike than the Honda or the Yamaha. If Ducati produce this bike and Rossi wins on it then in my opinion he will have won because of the bike. If Ducati don't produce that bike then I am quite certain that you and the yellow army will be saying that it is because of the bike that Rossi lost.



Tell me are you prepared to give up all rights to claim that Rossi lost because of the bike if he does indeed not win the 2011 WC and are you prepared to concede that Rossi was beaten straight up by better riders in the event that he does not win the 2011 WC?

inam said:

I didn't knew that we have Grammar nazi on PS, i will do spelling check next time

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Normally, i am not a grammar hammer, god knows im not an English scholar, it just seems to happen all over the internet. Someone hurls an insult, disparaging someone's intelligence, and ..... up the very word they are using to insult someones intelligence. It makes me chuckle every time. Just ....... with you bro.

Mental Anarchist said:

In my opinion Inam there are 2 riders on the grid who are equally as fast if not faster than Rossi.



What has passed so far is that the Ducati is not of a set up that Rossi can ride fast. This can be determined by the results of the test and the subsequent media reports of a full front end redesign along with comments such as "Ducati must improve" etc etc.



My comments were that for Rossi to win against the current fast crop of riders he will not do it on talent alone because if he could a redesign would not be required. Rossi will need a Ducati which is a better bike than the Honda or the Yamaha. If Ducati produce this bike and Rossi wins on it then in my opinion he will have won because of the bike. If Ducati don't produce that bike then I am quite certain that you and the yellow army will be saying that it is because of the bike that Rossi lost.



Tell me are you prepared to give up all rights to claim that Rossi lost because of the bike if he does indeed not win the 2011 WC and are you prepared to concede that Rossi was beaten straight up by better riders in the event that he does not win the 2011 WC?

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You got to be ....... with me... So your saying that if Rossi wins from now on it's only because of his bike being better than yam and Honda and if the others guys win it's talent? Get real dude.. Some times you guys show all your hate for Rossi and it's very obvious...



I would like to point out that I believe a good reason ducat brought Rossi over was to actually make the bike better, NOT to keep the bike as is...

Mental Anarchist said:

In my opinion Inam there are 2 riders on the grid who are equally as fast if not faster than Rossi.



What has passed so far is that the Ducati is not of a set up that Rossi can ride fast. This can be determined by the results of the test and the subsequent media reports of a full front end redesign along with comments such as "Ducati must improve" etc etc.



My comments were that for Rossi to win against the current fast crop of riders he will not do it on talent alone because if he could a redesign would not be required. Rossi will need a Ducati which is a better bike than the Honda or the Yamaha. If Ducati produce this bike and Rossi wins on it then in my opinion he will have won because of the bike. If Ducati don't produce that bike then I am quite certain that you and the yellow army will be saying that it is because of the bike that Rossi lost.



Tell me are you prepared to give up all rights to claim that Rossi lost because of the bike if he does indeed not win the 2011 WC and are you prepared to concede that Rossi was beaten straight up by better riders in the event that he does not win the 2011 WC?

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Your are singling out Rossi with a consideration that can actually apply to any one of the top riders (with a partial exception for Stoner).



In fact all the current top riders are very closely matched skill-wise and can win and lose depending on many circumstances -- for one to win consistently among them there must be some kind of advantage gained, be it simply the basic advantage of staying safe & healthy while others may crash.



Stoner has the talent to be fast on any bike that can go fast; the others may require a bike that is also properly set up to perform at their best -- but when they are all set, it's a balanced picture overall. Some kind of advantage is needed for any one of them to consistently win in that situation -- otherwise it is a lottery.



All real lovers of this sport should hope for the lottery, btw. The only way to decide who is the best among them (for each year) should be, ideally, to wait the very last race and see who comes out on top

esco said:

You got to be ....... with me... So your saying that if Rossi wins from now on it's only because of his bike being better than yam and Honda and if the others guys win it's talent? Get real dude.. Some times you guys show all your hate for Rossi and it's very obvious...



I would like to point out that I believe a good reason ducat brought Rossi over was to actually make the bike better, NOT to keep the bike as is...

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No that is not what I am saying but I should have been more specific because there are always morons who think that a comment about Rossi is hating on him. I did not say that if the others win it is because of talent only.



What I am saying is that if Rossi beats Stoner and Lorenzo it will be because Ducati have delivered a bike that is superior and has an advantage over the Honda and the Yamaha. What I am saying is that if Ducati turn up with a slightly inferior bike then no way will Rossi be able to challenge Stoner or Lorenzo because they are just too good. This does not mean that Rossi is no good and this is what you guys need to stop perceiving from comments by people who are fans of the sport rather than useless bloody groupies. It means that Stoner and Lorenzo are better opposition than Rossi has faced in his career previously and without an advantage or at least equal equipment he can not and will not beat them.



Talent at the front is as good as it has ever been in my opinion and probably deeper than it has ever been.



I can not see one rider winning 10 races next year. I can see 7 riders winning at least 1 race though.



What I am saying is that Rossi can't just turn up and win a Championship anymore. He will need a mechanical advantage or better luck than the others.

J4rn0 said:

Your are singling out Rossi with a consideration that can actually apply to any one of the top riders (with a partial exception for Stoner).

In fact all the current top riders are very closely matched skill-wise and can win and lose depending on many circumstances -- for one to win consistently among them there must be some kind of advantage gained, be it simply the basic advantage of staying safe & healthy while others may crash.



Stoner has the talent to be fast on any bike that can go fast; the others may require a bike that is also properly set up to perform at their best -- but when they are all set, it's a balanced picture overall. Some kind of advantage is needed for any one of them to consistently win in that situation -- otherwise it is a lottery.



All real lovers of this sport should hope for the lottery, btw. The only way to decide who is the best among them (for each year) should be, ideally, to wait the very last race and see who comes out on top

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I agree 100% with your post.

J4rn0 said:

Your are singling out Rossi with a consideration that can actually apply to any one of the top riders (with a partial exception for Stoner).

In fact all the current top riders are very closely matched skill-wise and can win and lose depending on many circumstances -- for one to win consistently among them there must be some kind of advantage gained, be it simply the basic advantage of staying safe & healthy while others may crash.



Stoner has the talent to be fast on any bike that can go fast; the others may require a bike that is also properly set up to perform at their best -- but when they are all set, it's a balanced picture overall. Some kind of advantage is needed for any one of them to consistently win in that situation -- otherwise it is a lottery.



All real lovers of this sport should hope for the lottery, btw. The only way to decide who is the best among them (for each year) should be, ideally, to wait the very last race and see who comes out on top

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The other issue is who is likely to be able to improve/develop the bike. Rossi has a very good record for doing this (except for 2006; if he is praised for the other years he must take some blame for that year), but may be constrained by the design of the current ducati, which could be difficult to change drastically or to change drastically in sufficient time for next year, even if it is considered worthwhile doing so for the last year of the formula. Lorenzo is unproven as a bike developer, but can certainly set up a bike and I wouldn't bet on him not being able to develop. I am unsure how much stoner will be allowed to employ any development skills he may have at honda but the bike may not necessarily need much development if it starts off being fast enough in his hands.

Mental Anarchist said:

I agree 100% with your post.

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So do i! So much hatred on this forum these days.

Talpa said:

OMG.......and you claim to be intellectual?



Exhibit A-above



Extreme Bias and misinformed and/or misinterpreted, purely subjective opinion. Nothing more and not intellectual at all.







Sounds very similar to a certain 'B' word many like to throw around.......

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BOLLOCKS !

Jumkie said:

Kesh, not pit bull, much much smaller. He's lost it man. Talps has now become PS most prolific troll. Hes out done the infamous ones. Self-destruction.

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They made a movie about Talpa back in the '50s. It was called "The Mouse That Roared."

woody996 said:

If you ask Jumkie, he would probably say that Dorna has promised to assist pay for their development while Rossi is there. He is their big income earner after all.

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Wood...if Dorna doesn't assist, I can bet the Italian government will...how do I mean? Well it's favorite son on an Italian make winning the World championship would make many Italians happy, thus going home and making more Italians in thier glee....thus more Italians to tax... Sorry, got off topic, but it's not so far fetched to think some tax breaks might come Ducati's way if need be, thus more money in their pockets for development. Rossi has Ducati and his sponsers standing up begging for buttermilk, not a stretch to think Italy would be doing the same. In all this I just hope Rossi throws Hayden a bone and we see him improve in the championship standings!

Talpa said:

OMG.......and you claim to be intellectual?



Exhibit A-above



Extreme Bias and misinformed and/or misinterpreted, purely subjective opinion. Nothing more and not intellectual at all.



Sounds very similar to a certain 'B' word many like to throw around.......

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Subjective positions in no way preclude intellectuallity... Mental started his post with, "I THINK..." - obviously an OPINION. Do you really have a problem with opinions? You've really unhinged man... I happen to believe that on equal equipment Rossi can win races and a championship in the next couple of years - Mental doesn't - who cares? We're both gonna have fun watching the races and seeing what pans out.

Jumkie said:

Sorry buddy, but the two day test....it did happen man. Anarchist isnt saying anything different then Ducati's media message. What is the theme of that message inam? The theme is Ducati must improve. Why r they saying this? Answer this.



Oh yeah, its based on that two day test u r ignoring. R u angry at Ducati too? They reaction is fueling the sense that Rossi is ...... on that bike. Oh but u read that Anarchist is saying Vale sucks right? But no, thats not what he said inam. Come on dude, dont go down the road Talpa is going.

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I think the "Ducati must improve" theme (or, more accurately, the "make the Ducati competitive in someone other than Casey's hands" theme) started in mid-season '09 long before the post '10 season testing...

povol said:

Dude, if your going to call someone a ......, at least spell it right. It makes you look kind of "........" when you don't.

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Maybe he meant reTARTED... could be some sort of pastry fetish (ever seen Pushing Daisies?) or maybe it was a shot at Mental's masculinity... LOL

spooky said:

So do i! So much hatred on this forum these days.

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+1

I agree too.

inam said:

can i ask you on what facts you have based your opinion on or is it based on Rossi's 2 day testing on Ducati like many others have here now.

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Rossi was beaten by his team mate this year and then moved to a bike and couldn't go nearly as quickly as the outgoing rider. Those two men are a serious threat, and you may not agree but it is not unthinkable that someone else may believe on totally level terms those men would beat Rossi (as one of them just has).

J4rn0 said:

All real lovers of this sport should hope for the lottery, btw. The only way to decide who is the best among them (for each year) should be, ideally, to wait the very last race and see who comes out on top

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I disagree, although we all enjoy the excitement of a last race showdown a real lover of the sport will appreciate that all rounds are worth the same and if the title is decided early then that is an impressive feat in itself

Guys, mental gave his thoughts & opinions on something that doesnt give anyone open season on him, how would you Talpa feel if everytime you had an opinion on something you were slated to high heaven. As someone else stated the post was sarted with "I think" so the way i see it - give em a break.



After watching the last 8 years of GP's to hear someone say that if Rossi wins agian its becuase of the bike is just laughable. Nicky won his title by being the hardest worker, never giving up, consistency & giving a big .... you to the big H. Plenty of others on the grid had every bit as good a bike as Nicky & had done for the previous season too.



Pretty much the same for this season with Lorenzo, sure he had some help with people crashing & not getting their repsective bikes sorted but that certainly wasnt Jorge's problem he just did what he is paid to do.



Stoner won because of the bike right, wrong. He won yes because he had advantage in terms of machinery but he was the one twisting the throttle & where were the other Ducati riders, not right behind him thats for sure.



Machinery may determine 99% whether you can be competitive let alone win in F1, but it isnt that bad in GP's ....... yet!