Stoner frustrated

Casey Stoner has expressed his disappointment with the people who have not given him enough credit for winning this year's MotoGP world championship.

The Australian has dominated the season in his first year with Ducati, but some of his rivals have put his success down to the bike and the tyres more than the rider.

"It seems like when I win, it's down to the tyres, and when Valentino (Rossi) wins, it's down to him," Stoner was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Motosprint.

"And every time he explains the reasons why he didn't win it seems like everyone believes him. I'm convinced we deserved the title.

"It seems like it doesn't matter what I did in that race, the way I rode. It seems like I didn't make a difference."

Stoner points out that the supposed reasons for his success changed during the year, as his success was initially put down to Ducati, and then Bridgestone, having an advantage over their rivals.

"At the beginning it was said I was winning only because of the bike, which was too fast," he added. "Later on, it was down to the tyres.

"It looks like no one has been able to find another reason why I won, besides the bike and the tyres. It looks like it's not thanks to me."

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I understand him but Valentino has raised the bar, if he wants the respect i think hes gonna have to do it all over again next year.

I remember Hayden even saying something similar about trying to win another championship.

At least while Rossi is still racing its harder to praise someone winning one year, it could be classed as 'lucky'

cry me a ....... river.


Ok....If it bothers him so much...prove everybody wrong....
do it on the Yamaha/Honda/Kawi or Zuki..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 1 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]98029[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
cry me a ....... river.
Ok....If it bothers him so much...prove everybody wrong....
do it on the Yamaha/Honda/Kawi or Zuki..

yeah, wtf did he expect, this is bike racing not flower arranging, ....... whinging poofta, he got the title he got the money he got the minge, what else did he expect

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 1 2007, 09:55 PM) [snapback]98026[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I understand him but Valentino has raised the bar, if he wants the respect i think hes gonna have to do it all over again next year.

I remember Hayden even saying something similar about trying to win another championship.

At least while Rossi is still racing its harder to praise someone winning one year, it could be classed as 'lucky'

He's a bit right I think. A lot of people say it's cause he had a dominant bike, or cause he had the better tyres. I don't look at it like that. He was the best one this season, simple as that. Did he have a better bike than Vale?? Yeah, he did. But still he deserves a lot of respect. If he wants more respect..he should do it again next season. I think he can..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 1 2007, 08:55 PM) [snapback]98026[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Casey Stoner has expressed his disappointment with the people who have not given him enough credit for winning this year's MotoGP world championship.

The Australian has dominated the season in his first year with Ducati, but some of his rivals have put his success down to the bike and the tyres more than the rider.

"It seems like when I win, it's down to the tyres, and when Valentino (Rossi) wins, it's down to him," Stoner was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Motosprint.

"And every time he explains the reasons why he didn't win it seems like everyone believes him. I'm convinced we deserved the title.

"It seems like it doesn't matter what I did in that race, the way I rode. It seems like I didn't make a difference."

Stoner points out that the supposed reasons for his success changed during the year, as his success was initially put down to Ducati, and then Bridgestone, having an advantage over their rivals.

"At the beginning it was said I was winning only because of the bike, which was too fast," he added. "Later on, it was down to the tyres.

"It looks like no one has been able to find another reason why I won, besides the bike and the tyres. It looks like it's not thanks to me."


Double standards.

When Rossi wins, he praises his package, when Casey does it, it's magically down to him.

Remember the races he hasn't won? Like Assen where it was the winds fault he didn't win? Or Estoril where it was the bikes fault?

He's just as guilty of it as everyone else.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 1 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]98032[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yeah, wtf did he expect, this is bike racing not flower arranging



LMFAO


i tought pinky would have come in with all guns blazing to stoners defence with his usual tripe of .......


of course i wanted rossi to win he is a king without a crown and that aint right but stoner had a great season and deserved his win regardless of all the ........ that was said before and after each race


stoner is a champ and a great talent, next season will be one of his toughest.. first time defending a title comes savage pressure and it will show his true strength

Im glad stoner is riding so well. He's a winging prick sometimes but you cant deny he can ride the arse off that bike, and Im saying that as a long-time die hard Rossi fan. Im glad his riding well because at the end of the day, we all want exciting close races. Not someone dissapearing off into the distance, regardless if thats Rossi, Stoner or Pedrobot. I hope next season there will be more riders wringing every ounce outer their 800's. The more guys at the front scrapping for a podium, the happier the fans will be.
....All the fans apart from Pinky obviously.

The really sad part is most of the Rossi fans know very well that Stoners riding was a massive reason why he won the title. What he said in that press release was true. Everybody winged about the straight line speed of the Ducati early in the season and said he'd be nowhere once the European season started on the twisty tight circuits. But again he proved them wrong.
You can't deny he is almost always the fastest Ducati by a mile and almost always the fastest Bridgestone runner by a mile. Just like Vale is almost always the fastest Yamaha rider and Michelin rider. Defending the title next year will be difficult but one things for sure he's not going to get slower and he is going to be extremely tough to beat again in 2008.

Funny innit?

Rossi won for years on a machine that was hugely, nay massively, dominant over every other manufacturers offering.....people seem to forget that.

Ducati are TINY compared to the Japanese. Bridgestone were POOR compared to Michelins 'fly tyres in overnight' tactics and Stoner built up a reputation for losing the front end..... whilst riding the wheels off a second string V5.

Give the package a bit of credit. They pulled the Japanese and Rossi's pants down this year - big time.

It wont be so easy next year (and lets face it, the 'package' drubbed the opposition in 2007). Rossi has the talent, which only really came to light when he won the first race on the M1 at Welkom and has lasted until the beginning of this year. Even last year, Hayden fluked it - Rossi should have romped it but for dodgy tyres/ motors/luck etc.

Like I said earlier, the rest will have gotton over the shock by now.

Next year will be great.

Snorvey

when Stoner switches from Ducati to say Kawasaki and wins another championship in his forst yearv on that bike, I will give him all the credit. Rossi did just that -- switched from Honda to Yamaha and won.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Nov 1 2007, 10:12 PM) [snapback]98042[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The really sad part is most of the Rossi fans know very well that Stoners riding was a massive reason why he won the title.



yes and most rossi fans will admit to that its just a few dumb ... that wont just like the dumb ... stoner fans think he is the greatest thing since the wheel your not gonna become the stuff of legends that are agostoni, haliwood, doohan, rossi to name a few just coz you won one title, its great he won but hes just starting if he can repeat what he did this year he is going to be on that list

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Nov 1 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]98045[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
when Stoner switches from Ducati to say Kawasaki and wins another championship in his forst yearv on that bike, I will give him all the credit. Rossi did just that -- switched from Honda to Yamaha and won.


Words fail me. He has to win on another manufacturers bike before he gets your 'credit'?

Like he hasn't done enough?

I dont think he'll lose much sleep worrying over that!


Snorvey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Snorvey @ Nov 1 2007, 10:45 PM) [snapback]98048[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Like he hasn't done enough?

I dont think he'll lose much sleep worrying over that!
Snorvey


As i said Rossi has raised the bar, Stoner needs to at least win another championship because no ones managed to win more than one since Rossi.

I won't go as far to say he could do what Rossi has done (switching teams) but he doesn't have to do that to win us over.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 1 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]98047[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yes and most rossi fans will admit to that its just a few dumb ... that wont just like the dumb ... stoner fans think he is the greatest thing since the wheel your not gonna become the stuff of legends that are agostoni, haliwood, doohan, rossi to name a few just coz you won one title, its great he won but hes just starting if he can repeat what he did this year he is going to be on that list


Im not really sure what you're trying to say there...?

Stoner's not a legend yet? Well of course thats true. What else is true is that Stoner rubbed Rossi's nose in it in every race bar 2 (Mugello & Assen).

But think of the sport as a whole. Stoner is the first serious competition Rossi has had since Sete Gibernau. It can only be good.


Snorvey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Snorvey @ Nov 1 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]98050[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Im not really sure what you're trying to say there...?

Stoner's not a legend yet? Well of course thats true. What else is true is that Stoner rubbed Rossi's nose in it in every race bar 2 (Mugello & Assen).

But think of the sport as a whole. Stoner is the first serious competition Rossi has had since Sete Gibernau. It can only be good.
Snorvey



ya i got a little side tracked was just sayin that not all or most rossi fans think it was down to the duke or the stones that stoner won the title

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(raven46 @ Nov 1 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]98051[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ya i got a little side tracked was just sayin that not all or most rossi fans think it was down to the duke or the stones that stoner won the title


Yeah, no bother Raven

So who's got work to do next year?

Rossi & Yamaha - Air valves and Bridgestones? Will it be enough?
Honda - Air/Desmo valves and a motor that doesnt grenade after 300km's
Kawasaki - well all they think they need is a competitive rider - is Hopkins the man?
Suzuki? Not sure about Capirossi - was he slow because he didnt give a toss about Ducati? Vermin will do well next year I think.
Ducati - just add in a very quick Italian to keep Casey sharp lest the rest cant keep their end up.
Lorenzo & yamaha - loads more new gold helmets, gloves, leather etc. That'll do nicely....


Snorvey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 1 2007, 09:55 PM) [snapback]98026[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
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"It seems like when I win, it's down to the tyres, and when Valentino (Rossi) wins, it's down to him," Stoner was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Motosprint.

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Hmmm, not good for Stoner to play this note at this stage. He must accept that there are people still waiting for next year to see if he can confirm his performance.

Good on him .... there are just too many "Rossi excusers" about .....

Well I just hope he wins at Valencia now ... alltime best points would be a feather in your cap.

the improvement in stoner this season alone is amazing.

i see the season in 3 parts.

first part

in the first few races we all saw the ducati had a huge speed advantage, and the tracks catered for a big hp bike. which stoner took advantage of.

middle races

then came around the smaller euro tracks and of course rain. rossi even said, with the smaller tracks will suit our yamahas better, because our bikes are excellent on the brakes and turns in awesome.

however stoner come into his own, and dominate mid season.

final races.

then honda and yamaha came out with a redeveloped engine, on one occasion pedrosa even overtook the ducati on the straight and rossi did not lose anyhing to the ducati on the straight either.

however even then, stoners winning margins even became more greater.

i beleive honda and yamaha have improved thier bikes and closed the gap, howver stoner has improved his riding even more just throughout this season to extend the gap even further.

Gee Casey is a bit behind the times though .....

We've also had:

The yamaha is crap

The TC stops "good/the real riders" winning

The Ducati Team tells all the other Ducati riders to stop battling with Casey ... ( they certainly seem to have obeyed orders there too!! Except Capi latey he's not been following the master plan!!)

I guess some of the "frustration" may have been felt after seeing the reception Casey got in Australia. I think thats allways been difficult for riders, not from that European background though.


It ok though .... I can remember when .... when the "new kid on the block" was a young "upstart" named Rossi ...... but he also upset "the applecart" and it was good to see him winning at that time too.