*SPOILERS* Motegi Rd2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe some of you guys!

It was a f'ing racing incident, get the f' over it! It's not like Hayden never did something like this either. I seem to remember a WSBK Laguna Seca 2002, Haga was very fast and was having an excellent upmarsh through the field, but a certain Hayden wanting to please the crowd thought it would be nice to torpedo himself into Haga in the final corner.


And about the guys saying Takahashi not knowing how to ride and not deserving to ride a Motogp ride, please shut up.
If you watched anything other than Motogp you'd notice that Takahashi came in 5th in the 250 championship on the far inferior Scott Honda, a very respectable performance.
Regarding Laguna..I was there, and Nicky riding as a wild card, I'm certain, tried to go under Nori and lost the front....funny that, Haga did exactly the same thing in race 1 as I recall at the Andretti hairpin and was fortunate not to clean up the rider concerned (can't remember who). And I do remember some people there being pissed about it, but being as the crowd comprised a largely homegrown AMA contingent, most were pretty indifferent to Haga and applauded Nicky for his ride. This was totally different to Takahashi - the 'Samurai of shunt', who made an error on the brakes - ie - deploying them would have been a good move for a start - and his subsequent transformation into a bowling bowl could have had a lot more serious consequences for all concerned. In fact I remember Capirossi doing the same thing on the Ducati into the pack at the first corner of a race some years ago, and wasn't Hopkins banned for a similar 'strike'?

If you bothered to actually read more than one thread before posting, then you'd soon appreciate that overall, the regular visitors to this forum are not only passionate about all forms of motorcycle racing, but are armed with a formidable arsenal of knowledge about this sport. - Expect an imminent assault, and brace for the inevitable offensive in your direction

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? Were you watching the race with the sound off? In the last seven or eight laps (once his brake pads settled in) Stoner was absolutely matching Rossi and Lorenzo's laptimes. Another five laps he'd have caught and passed them.
go to motogp.com and study the times of last five laps, fanboy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? Were you watching the race with the sound off? In the last seven or eight laps (once his brake pads settled in) Stoner was absolutely matching Rossi and Lorenzo's laptimes. Another five laps he'd have caught and passed them.


Indeed matching, not bettering. Infact in the last 5 laps the gap between Lorenzo and Stoner grew from 4.8 to 5.8 seconds. So no, Stoner probably wouldn't have catched the 3 in front of him given more laps.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 27 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you bothered to actually read more than one thread before posting, then you'd soon appreciate that overall, the regular visitors to this forum are not only passionate about all forms of motorcycle racing, but are armed with a formidable arsenal of knowledge about this sport. - Expect an imminent assault, and brace for the inevitable offensive in your direction

Yeah i have actually noticed that most people know what they are talking about overhere, but some of the comments in this thread made it look like there are allot of crybabies here who can only cry their favorite rider didn't win or score points for that matter.
And i don't know if the "Death to Takahashi" comment was meant seriously or not, but that made me pretty disgusted.
I bet if it was say Canepa who got hit people wouldn't even be talking about this, but seeing there are prolly allot of American fans around here...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah i have actually noticed that most people know what they are talking about overhere, but some of the comments in this thread made it look like there are allot of crybabies here who can only cry their favorite rider didn't win or score points for that matter.
And i don't know if the "Death to Takahashi" comment was meant seriously or not, but that made me pretty disgusted.
I bet if it was say Canepa who got hit people wouldn't even be talking about this, but seeing there are prolly allot of American fans around here...
I think that whomever made the comment was being a bit over the top and not really meaning what was written. A little sarcasm. Plus I don't care who would have hit him the same sentiments would be said regardless. If it had been Nicolo then I think we would be saying things like " see this guy wasn't really supposed to be a gp rider for real". "This guy is just a tester." It wouldn't make a difference.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 27 2009, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...you already outlined the basis of the plot, how's the first draft progressing?

I never bet on anything that isn't practically a shoo-in. Immediately after typing the Pinky-novella bet, I felt immediate remorse b/c there was no way God/fate was going to let me abuse a gambling junkie.

I was supposed to be halfway home after this weekend, but due to highly unusual circumstances, I'm farther from the end goal. That's what I get for abusing people with river-boat-gambler personalities.

I deserved it. But even after this weeks horrible horrible result, I'm still on pace to clear the threshold by over 50%. I hope that boast doesn't come back to bite me in the ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ganz @ Apr 27 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>go to motogp.com and study the times of last five laps, fanboy

Fanboy? Ouch! But seriously - not really. I can't help admiring anyone
who plays David to the Goliath - so I really think of myself as a "firm
supporter". Stoner did kinda come out of nowhere on a bike that
nobody else could tame and beat Rossi - so that makes him pretty
admirable in my book. For the record I am a Hayden fan, as well as
Haslam, Bautista and coupleother guys. But generally I reserve fan
status for the retired legends.

Not being a statistics freak kinda guy - I have no idea where to check that
out. Link please.

Assuming I'm wrong, I can only say that I was repeating what I believe
the commentators were saying. Anyhoo - link please.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fanboy? Ouch! But seriously - not really. I can't help admiring anyone
who plays David to the Goliath - so I really think of myself as a "firm
supporter". Stoner did kinda come out of nowhere on a bike that
nobody else could tame and beat Rossi - so that makes him pretty
admirable in my book. For the record I am a Hayden fan, as well as
Haslam, Bautista and coupleother guys. But generally I reserve fan
status for the retired legends.

Not being a statistics freak kinda guy - I have no idea where to check that
out. Link please.

Assuming I'm wrong, I can only say that I was repeating what I believe
the commentators were saying. Anyhoo - link please.
Here you go
http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistic...Analysis+By+Lap

The first 5 guys finished 21 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. WTF

They really need to quadruple the cameras and add split screens so we can watch more than one battle at once, and also replays won't take away from the racing action. That can't be that hard to do. Who is the tv producer of these races anyway? I would like to write him/her a letter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe some of you guys!

It was a f'ing racing incident, get the f' over it! It's not like Hayden never did something like this either. I seem to remember a WSBK Laguna Seca 2002, Haga was very fast and was having an excellent upmarsh through the field, but a certain Hayden wanting to please the crowd thought it would be nice to torpedo himself into Haga in the final corner.
I was a bit pissed aswell but i got over it because it was a damn racing incident, it happens! And i certainly didn't go around and say such disgusting things like death to Hayden!

And about the guys saying Takahashi not knowing how to ride and not deserving to ride a Motogp ride, please shut up.
If you watched anything other than Motogp you'd notice that Takahashi came in 5th in the 250 championship on the far inferior Scott Honda, a very respectable performance.
Certainly more impressive than Hayden managed to do for the past 2 years on his factory Honda, him being even slower than one of the customer Honda's.

I like Hayden and hope he'll get some nice result this season, but i'd be a nice slap in the face to all you Hayden buttmonkeys if Takahashi ends up better than Hayden next race.

Heyduum, first of all, welcome to the forum, hopefully you won’t be a newboot-a-week we get around here only to go back into oblivion next week. Rack up a few posts. Well despite your tired old entrance, you seem like a fellow that we can have a few fruitful exchanges.

Ok, I feel compelled to let you know the guy you quoted is Curve, and I can assure you it was witty sarcasm (which you missed, but understandably). Curve is a puppy with a pit-bull sense of humor. This is why nobody responded to it because mostly everybody is a regular. Actually, he usually responds with a hilarious but effective picture to make his point. Which you will undoubtedly get for your subpar albeit newbie post.

Anyway, as far as your weak defense of Takacrashi in which you chose the lame tactic of shitting on Hayden to somehow tell us its ‘just a racing incident’, reveals more about your understanding of the sport than the actual incident itself. Ah, so you were at Laguna in 02, did you then craw in a cave after that? Just wondering since you cite Hayden on the 800 Honda, again revealing what you know about its development and the series as a whole. It’s an old subject and it might do you some good to search out a few threads (there are plenty) regarding this issue. Notwithstanding, the fact that you mentioned it to pad your feeble defense already tells me where you stand.

Ok, I will agree with you that most all crashes are "racing incidents" if you agree with me that not all "racing incidents" are created equal. This was a bonehead mistake by an over-his-head rookie that doesn't belong in the class. Yes, you disagree, right? Ok, well my contention is he didn't belong in the class in the first place. (Side note, I was already done with this subject until you appeared, but .... it, I have some time). You want to cite that he came 5th in 250's last year as your premise that he belongs, yeah; well he came 11th the year before that, and most all years it was in the double digits. BTW, that 5th classification was with zero wins, zero poles, zero fastest laps, and his entire feeder series win total for 250s is 2 and that was three years ago. He's a token in the series. If you look at the grid, most all of them are made up of champs or runners up. Yuuki made the top 5 once! It’s a very uncharacteristic record for a person to be promoted to MotoGP. Can he ride? Yes. But so can a few top riders in national series and world series, and they are not being offered seats in MotoGP. Its possible he may pan out, but it seems for now he will be a danger to other riders. I hope not. And of course, with this bonehead torpedo, it cast a light and begs the question: Hey, how did this guy even get a seat?

But you know what, I'm not even that bothered about the “racing incident”; it was his ...... reaction to the incident that made me stand up and notice. Take a look at the video again. He slams into Hayden, and his first reaction and body language was a child like pouting of losing his opportunity to play with his toys. Look at it again, check out his youngster reaction of hands on his head, while in the foreground, Hayden is lying on his back, looking like he's convulsing in pain. He took a while to get up and Yuuki doesn't so much as look at the guy. I say .... your own stupid opportunity and run to check on the guy you might have just paralyzed.

Ah, but then read his comments when they asked him about the crash. Yuuki has no explanation; he doesn't know what happened, amazing! And then he turns to confirming what his body language said at the crash site, he was disappointed that he wouldn't be able to put in laps. WTF. Dude, all that should be coming out of his mouth is what a ....... bone head move it was and how he has tirelessly apologized, end of comment. Why pick that first interview to whine about not having the opportunity to put in more laps? No ...., since it was him who took himself out and another rider in the process. Now I've seen Yuuki make an attempt to speak English, but go to his interviews, it seems he has forgotten what little he knew.

As far as not making a big deal if it was Canepa. Fail, again. Go on to an Italian forum, when one of there own is as much grazed, much less shelled, they are way pissed off calling for torture of the guy and his kids.

How many posts do you plan to make before you forget your password?

Yo Jumkie you were alwful nice to take all that time to explain the whole deal. I bet your fingers are tired. Very insightful and full of info on a guy that has really no business running in the GP class. I wish Dorna would get their heads out of their ..... and put someone else in that seat who can actually race instead of just run for lap times.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 27 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> The first 5 guys finished 21 seconds ahead of the rest of the field. WTF

They really need to quadruple the cameras and add split screens so we can watch more than one battle at once, and also replays won't take away from the racing action. That can't be that hard to do. Who is the tv producer of these races anyway? I would like to write him/her a letter.


You know, watching this race I was thinking the same. I'm not sure, but I believe they use sceen in a screen technique in America in sports events more often than they do here in Europe? For MotoGP, it would be a great idea at some points. Possibly for replays.

Or even better, Pinky will be succumb to, or be abducted and torn to pieces by some unlikely and ludicrous mythical creature of Australian folklore...a Bunyip perhaps?

Nah, Pinky is far too tough and dry; all gristle. Something big ,soft and wooly headed is much more to my liking.
roger and out



Talking about Vermeulin (thanks for the info Al)......... it seems fortune seems to bugger up his best chances, as in Laguna Seca 3 years ago. However, I am not convinced he is a top 4 rider....just at the second level of talent. The really good riders , like Rossi and Stoner, seem to be able to be less affected when things dont go right, and ram the advantage home when they do.
Spies may be a better rider, but I suspect he will be a second tier motogp rider too- like CV, Edwards, Bayliss, Hayden, Melandri. Very good, but not totally brilliant. However I would be quite pleased if he were to prove me wrong in the years after his entry to motogp in 2010.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Apr 17 2009, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>27_2007 & Putin have been banned for abusive PM's that were reported to us. There's no room for people here like this.

Proving that members are using multiple aliases is virtually impossible when different IP addresses are being used. The site has a powerful IP look-up function that I have used countless times to try and sort this, it searchs through posts and can identifiy if any member has used the same IP.

I'm still of the opinion that it's CSCVAW who comes back, not Pinky.

I always find it funny how the sites moderation policy gets brought up to suit people situations on threads.

Today:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 27 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...but you forgot to also include Stoner; (holt ....) now you run the risk of Pinky-Sybill and his imaginary friends sending you threatening PMs because you didn't include Stoner on that list of riders better than Nicky. You're ...... now.

Ah, it worked! Pinky took the bate! I got under Pinky's <strike>skin</strike> scales! Allow me to explain:

I've continue to receive a few PMs from Pinky but not for a few days now, this is why I new he would come out with another round of hate once I called him out above. I really don't see why he choses to use aliases since his Pinky handle comes out with the usual anyway. When I wrote this above I knew it would be too much for Pinky to bare. How did I know, well it was when I changed my signature last week that he came out full bore and sending me PMs of ..... It boiled his blood that I was exposing him and his aliases. Ah, but when Ben said he thought it was 'alphabet' (CVCSAW) then the PMs really started to come in knowing he could with impunity. After-all, he managed to fool those on his trail. Its so obvious who he is but still some chose to stick their heads in the sand. For the record, I have never called for this demented human being to be BANNED, and will not today either--I say this in a proactive response to the inevitable dig of suggesting that the mod policy only suit when convenient. I say let him and his aliases stay on, if anything its entertaining to see the seasoned members bite. Ah but for the new member, well they are unsuspected victims, hence my signature. But of course, it has proven to aggrevate Pinky to no end. And for this I am pleased!

Anyway, again NOT for the mods or Ben (which the IP finder continues to be fooled regardless; which begs for actual brain power to figure out the mystery, which isn't that mysterious), and for the benefit of those unsuspecting new members that may want to exchange with Pinky. Here is his latest PM. (BTW, most of his PM, which I have not posted, are mocking of how he has fooled Ben and the mods). But again, for the benefit of any interested member, here is a PM I got from Pinky after the above quote: (enjoy)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ( Crafar_Doni98 @ Apr 27 2009, 02:43 PM)<div class='quotemain'>hey .......... first i will kill your wife... then i will kill your children... then i will kill all your family members... then kill your dog... and after that i let you alive to suffer as much as you can and that you can watch your own funeral... .... you... .... all americans.. . god bless takahaski to put that incompetent rider who is your hero out of the race yesterday...

Anybody still want to exchange posts with Pinky?


(Geez, your theme and writing style is a dead give away Pinks, no need for a fancy IP search.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedfreak @ Apr 27 2009, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If rossi finished second to stoner i doubt you would be saying this. Are you saying Lorenzo isn't as good ?
Rossi finished second because he wasn't as quick as lorenzo and stoner finished 4th because he wasn't as quick as the top 3 ! There doesn't have to be something wrong, You cant win them all ! Beside from what ive read here if rossi did say he had a problem he would have been branded a whinger. Stoner always has a "problem " win or loose !
Second is better than 4th, end of story.

However rossi did say he had a problem, as did vermeulen and edwards; dani has staged an elaborate charade involving multiple crashes and surgery to have an excuse for not winning. Whingers all of them, just like stoner .

Rossi has been rather consistent over his career, and stoner showed in 2007 when he basically did not make a riding error in a whole season that he is also capable of consistency, so it is conceivable when either underperforms that there often is a problem. As stoner said though, whilst he was hampered by lack of set-up time it was the same for everyone so lorenzo and pedrosa and their crews deserve even more credit for getting it right, on lorenzo's part against the acknowledged master(s) of set-up, and on dani's part with very limited pre-season testing.

Thanks for the post Jum... reality is truly stranger than fiction...

I would just like to apologise in regards to earlier comments regarding Australian commentators. If we can't stand them i cant see why the rest of the world should suffer with them. Just be glad you don't have Darryl Beatie. If a rider retires because his head gets banged up, this is a good reason not to stick a microphone in front of him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Indeed matching, not bettering. Infact in the last 5 laps the gap between Lorenzo and Stoner grew from 4.8 to 5.8 seconds. So no, Stoner probably wouldn't have catched the 3 in front of him given more laps.

Hey there Hub-bub - matching the times of the leader - while working your way through
a pack of the world's best riders - all trying to block you - ain't exactly mediocre.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Treebeard @ Apr 28 2009, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would just like to apologise in regards to earlier comments regarding Australian commentators. If we can't stand them i cant see why the rest of the world should suffer with them. Just be glad you don't have Darryl Beatie. If a rider retires because his head gets banged up, this is a good reason not to stick a microphone in front of him.
I agree with Beattie - is there a more boring commentator on the planet? Saying that I quite like Kevin Magee even with his occasional brain malfunctions he at least has some interesting things to say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 28 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Beattie - is there a more boring commentator on the planet? Saying that I quite like Kevin Magee even with his occasional brain malfunctions he at least has some interesting things to say.

I actually don't mind either Magee or Beatie, but prefer to watch the racing live on Fox. Beattie is pretty monotone, but knows his ...., and doesn't say stupid things trying to make a dramatic story.
I have met Beatie a couple of times through mutual friends (couple of years ago) and he is a great bloke. Have talked at length to hm about MotoGP and SBK.

I'm glad to see Lorenzo win a race. Its good for the sport. I actually hope one of the Hondas win in Jerez (preferably Dovi), to mix it up a little in the championship.
At the end of the day, its going to come don to Rossi or Stoner anyway, but the closer the racing the better.
In saying that, I think Stoner will run away at Jerez and Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedro will fight it out.

I think both Rossi and Stoner will be concerned about Lorenzo's speed at Motegi. I think Rossi felt prety good on his bike, and was unable to match Lorenzo's pace in the mid part of the race. Stoner also knows where his pace is in relation to Rossi, but if Lorenzo is matching Rossi or faster at times, where does that put him relation to Stoner.
Stoner had a problem in Japan, but would he have been much quickerif everything was perfect. Who knows. Its a shame he slipped back at the start, because I think it could have been a good fight between him, Rossi and Lorenzo.
I think Lorenzo will win more GP's in 2009, maybe Jerez.