*SPOILERS* Motegi Rd2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 28 2009, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My original post was in reply to Speedfreak who said Stoner wasn't as quick as the top three - when in fact in spite of fighting traffic to play catch-up he was doing comparable lap times. Speedfreak made it sound as if Stoner was consistently a second or two slower than the race leaders - which is patently untrue. As to whether he'd have in fact caught up with them (if as per my original post with 5 laps added) - well that was just high-spirited speculation - so why don't we leave it at that?
i ment for that particular race he wasn't as quick, i was responding to rockgods post

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 28 2009, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not .... sherlock. Isn't that how you win? Being faster than your opponent?

Takahasi is one of the better Japanese riders to cycle through Grand Prix racing in quite some time. But saying that, he is still much out of his depth on the 800cc bike. 5th, with 3 podiums in 250cc's last year is not much grounds to be rewarded with a premier class ride. 7 years with 2 wins and 7 podiums in one class just proves he's just an average 250 rider.


Agree on both points.

EDIT: BTW, check out Tom's new fav rider. He throws rock then wonders why a few come back through his window.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 28 2009, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About Takakhasi "belonging" in the Motogp, he as proven to be a quick but also very consistent rider.If he was really quick + consistent, he'd have finished higher. How about "decent but consistent"? In any case, he's a the only current japanese rider on a Honda - that's always going to subject him to a bit more "does he really belong here" scrutiny. The same scrutiny is going to hit anyone who
has particular sponsor or manufacturer appeal but not an upper-tier resume - remember that most of the field has one or more world championships of some sort and most of the rest were runners-up.

Yes, some riders without such a background do succeed in MotoGP, but riders with a desirable nationality and a resume that isn't absolutely top-notch are going to garner more scrutiny until they prove that they belong )or that they don't). It takes more than "pretty respectable" results in lower classes to clearly belong in the premier class.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 28 2009, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And maybe after a dissapointing start he won't make any progressionat all , but he could just as well make some nice top 10 finishes this season, we'll just have to wait and see. Same goes for Hayden for that matter.Yeah, at this point it does apply to Hayden as well, but he's accomplished far more in the premier class than Takahashi has in 250s. His "poor" seasons in GP aren't all that different from Takahashi's best seasons in 250s.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 28 2009, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But is see no reason at all why Takahashi and his riding is being burned down already on this forum.Dubious resume, mediocre results so far, and submarining another rider with a terrible move. He's scarcely the only rider who'd get that treatment for such an incident, he's just the only one who's done it this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 28 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least Pinky seems honest

Uhm, is this suppose to pad your credibility?

Hey at least Jeffrey Dahmer had a nice hair cut.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 28 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many times have after a collision between 2 riders have you seen them apollogizing at the scene?
There was some apologizing by Bautista just last year (I believe it was Jerez), when Bautista took out Simoncelli on a last lap pass, which resulted in a DNF for both of them. Bautista was very apologetic. I'm not saying it's common, but it does happen.

In a more hilarious display of apology, check out Fabrizio when he took out Biaggi at Portimao last year. Drama queens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6s-xq9qgQ

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhm, is this suppose to pad your credibility?

Hey at least Jeffrey Dahmer had a nice hair cut.
Stella's go a bit of a guilt complex (amongst other things)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner was slower over the race distance than everyone who finished ahead of him (the front 3).
ummm, notice you have now changed your fav rider to Yuki Takahashi. What possible reason would that be for then tom ? piss off your old Hayden fan club friends ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 28 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not .... sherlock. Isn't that how you win? Being faster than your opponent?

Yea it's pretty simple isn't it. With the pedantic linguistics to one side, it seems pretty simple that the fastest rider is the one who wins, the fastest over a lap is the one who sets the fastest lap, and the fastest top speed will be indicated by the trap speeds. Not alot to discuss is there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea it's pretty simple isn't it. With the pedantic linguistics to one side, it seems pretty simple that the fastest rider is the one who wins, the fastest over a lap is the one who sets the fastest lap, and the fastest top speed will be indicated by the trap speeds. Not alot to discuss is there.

If nothing else, you crack me up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Uhm, is this suppose to pad your credibility?

Hey at least Jeffrey Dahmer had a nice hair cut.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 28 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
UPDATE: as of 1020am 4/28/09: Pinky AKA MDX5
Poor thing, he is blowing a head gasket. It seems that last post exposing him has been too much to bare, my PM box is full! Hahahahaha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>UPDATE: as of 1020am 4/28/09: Pinky AKA MDX5
I used to belong to a forum years ago that had no trolls. You had to pay 1 £$ to be a member. that way you had no Anonymity from the Admins.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 28 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I used to belong to a forum years ago that had no trolls. You had to pay 1 £$ to be a member. that way you had no Anonymity from the Admins.
1 £$ That is like 50 dollars US by now.

Don't go giving Ben any ideas man. I like my free entertainment. Hahaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 28 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not defending the move by Takahashi, i agree that it was a stupid overzaulous move. I am however defending him as a rider.

About their reactions at the scene, now you're just being a sour Hayden fan. How many times have after a collision between 2 riders have you seen them apollogizing at the scene? Not a lot if my memory serves me right and on top of that, Hayden clearly didn't seem to want any apologie at that moment. Now i don't have any access to post-race interviews so i can't really gudge about that, but i agree TAkahashi ows Hayden a apolagie and maybe he even apolagized, just not in some post race interview.

About Takakhasi "belonging" in the Motogp, he as proven to be a quick but also very consistent rider. In 2007 he finished 11th because he missed a few races because of injury, in 2006 he finished 6th with 2 wins and consistently finishing in the top 5 and 2005 was his rookie season with most finishes well in the top 10. On top of that, from the 5 wildcards he had before that, he retired 1 time and had a 5th, 4th and 2 3rd finishes , again a pretty respectable result.
In his last 3 seasons of 250 he was second fastest Honda rider next to Dovizioso, so is it really that hard to see why Honda wanted him on a Honda in the Motogp?
And maybe after a dissapointing start he won't make any progressionat all , but he could just as well make some nice top 10 finishes this season, we'll just have to wait and see. Same goes for Hayden for that matter.

But is see no reason at all why Takahashi and his riding is being burned down already on this forum.
Funny how this question you pose at the bottom is being contested when you have a former champion being the topic of a similar question on this site. At least Hayden has a WC. How long should Takacrashi be given before he is out of GP? What if he never wins a race? What if he is the reincarnation of ...... nocando? It is amazing that a sport of such a high level of talent succumbs to the trappings of politics. I hope the kid does well but he has more to prove than hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 28 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1 £$ That is like 50 dollars US by now.

Don't go giving Ben any ideas man. I like my free entertainment. Hahaha.
Then the trolls are are inevitable mate. This forum actually refunded the £$. it was the paper trail left by the transaction that stopped the trolls and multi accounts by the same member.

Did RDP finish another race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea it's pretty simple isn't it.

Apparently no
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With the pedantic linguistics to one side

You can't subjectively decide what words mean
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>, it seems pretty simple that the fastest rider is the one who wins...

Unrelated
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...the fastest over a lap is the one who sets the fastest lap

Unintelligible

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and the fastest top speed will be indicated by the trap speeds

Unimportant

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 28 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not alot to discuss is there.


Understated

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 28 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Apparently no


You can't subjectively decide what words mean


Unrelated


Unintelligible



Unimportant




Understated
nicely done !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 28 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unrelated

Unintelligible

Unimportant

Understated

Unarguable

God can't someone just start the Jerez thread so we can drop this one....