*SPOILERS* Motegi Rd2

I hadn't read that at the time of making my comment, but I'm still of the feeling that Chris doesn't have what it takes to make it in motoGP. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan but the results just aren't stacking up. Maybe it's just the suzuki, I'm not sure - but Loris seems to be doing a lot better.

The suzuki is a real enigma - it seems every year testing goes well and by the third race you just know they're going to have yet another mediocre year.

To tell you the truth when I watched morning warm up and it was pissing down I thought this is probably going to be CV's second GP victory.

Anything can be said Michaelm, I guess an old trick is to put our own words in the other parties' point of view:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 27 2009, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Paradoxically though stoner could have been happier with the day's proceedings after the race than rossi. I suspect valentino thinks he could have and should have won the race, particularly with stoner finishing down the track. On the other hand with casey and/or the ducati below par on the day 4th is the best result he could have realistically hoped for after the first few laps. Compared to his bad second race in 2008 at jerez, where he finished 11th, he may well think the fates are again favouring him, particularly with valentino not winning.

…Paradoxically though 'Rossi' could have been happier with the first two races' proceedings after the second one than 'Stoner'. I suspect 'Stoner' thinks he could have and should have won the race, particularly with 'Rossi' finishing second. On the other hand with 'Rossi' and/or the 'Yamaha' below par on the day, 2th is the best result he could have realistically hoped for after the middle few laps. Compared to his bad first race in 2008 at 'Losail', where he finished '5th', he may well think the fates are again favoring him, particularly with 'Stoner' not winning…

Not my exact words mate, but it does give out a point! greetings brother

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 27 2009, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anything can be said Michaelm, I guess an old trick is to put our own words in the other parties' point of view:



…Paradoxically though 'Rossi' could have been happier with the first two races' proceedings after the second one than 'Stoner'. I suspect 'Stoner' thinks he could have and should have won the race, particularly with 'Rossi' finishing second. On the other hand with 'Rossi' and/or the 'Yamaha' below par on the day, 2th is the best result he could have realistically hoped for after the middle few laps. Compared to his bad first race in 2008 at 'Losail', where he finished '5th', he may well think the fates are again favoring him, particularly with 'Stoner' not winning…

Not my exact words mate, but it does give out a point! greetings brother
Both are ahead of where they were last year, but rossi is ahead of stoner at this stage which is what counts regardless of history, I agree (EDIT rossi 40 stoner 38 after race 2 this year, rossi 31 stoner 30 after race 2 in 2008 by my calculation).

However I don't see this race as the first of 4 or 5 bad races for stoner like 2008; then again I am a stoner fan .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 26 2009, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well hayden's luck has to change for the better here. I surly hope so. ...... takacrashi should have used caution in that area of the track but he just banzaied Nicky. I would bet cause I have watched Nicky for many years now that he will be very motivated to do well. That kid lives and breaths bikes as does his family. Look for him to come back. He is one hell of a worker and his ethic is really second to none. His love drives him to get to the next level. It is easy to point out peoples mistakes and shortcomings but it isn't easy to say the opposite. I would say there will be some serious motivaton on Haydens part to do well next week. I am pumped for next week.

Did you see the post race interview with Hayden when they asked him about Takahashi's apology? Hayden's aw shucks, jest a country boy persona was barely in tact. Homeboy was pissed and he wasn't trying too hard to hide it. I'm hoping he doesn't swallow too much of that anger. Maybe it'll put a little more fire in the belly. I think he could use some of that. I think he's a talented guy - but him and Neukirschner are both just a bit too nice for their own good.

death to Takahashi

Taka Who?
The camera focused on him in the warm up laps and my thought was who the .... is
this guy and why is he in MotoGP. I watch all the series and I have never even heard
of him.
Anyone pay attention to Nicky's comments after the race. He mentioned that this week
the communication was better. Another thread touched on whether there was a
communication issue on his side of the garage. Apparently there is.

Here's his comments.
It's a shame because this weekend I honestly felt we were making some progress. I felt we had better communication going on and we worked more comfortably from the first day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 27 2009, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>death to Takahashi
Takahashi ans alias would make great team mates. Save money on carbon brakes, just use other riders for brakes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 27 2009, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the vision of a fan boy.
Last time I checked Stoner started on 3rd and Rossi 1st. They ended up 4th and 2nd. And you are still able to see Rossi worse off
YEah superfanboy ROssi butt lover! LOL. Just messin with ya but seriously. Rossi should have won it by the logic of the person I was responding to. He went backwards and at least Stoner made up for the .... that was hampering him with the brakes. Why is it you feel you have to defend Rossi? Does it hurt your feelings? Are you that thin skinned? It isn't like being a Rossi fan is your job! You have to admit that Rossi should have won the race. I don't know why he felt like sitting in 2nd place and letting Jorge win the race when he had every chance and ability to win it. Come on he is Rossi. Had he won the race that is what all of you rossiboppers would have said and hailed him like the second coming.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you see the post race interview with Hayden when they asked him about Takahashi's apology? Hayden's aw shucks, jest a country boy persona was barely in tact. Homeboy was pissed and he wasn't trying too hard to hide it. I'm hoping he doesn't swallow too much of that anger. Maybe it'll put a little more fire in the belly. I think he could use some of that. I think he's a talented guy - but him and Neukirschner are both just a bit too nice for their own good.
Well I for one hope your right about this and having him take the gloves off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 27 2009, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>according to some, its because he can't ride Spies bike but this is the real reason here..

http://www.suzuki-racing.com/news_page.asp...mp;OBJ_ID=16012

Touche.

Thanks for the explanation Al. The commentators did mention tt did look like something was wrong, he was storming to the back rather fast. I just wanted to take another dig a Denning.

(BTW, I still think Spies would be the better rider of the two.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 26 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Best Post of this Thread so far!
So fans don't represent the mindset of the rider. Wow, what insight.

Captain Obvious meets the Ambiguous Anarchist.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 27 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Touche.

Thanks for the explanation Al. The commentators did mention tt did look like something was wrong, he was storming to the back rather fast. I just wanted to take another dig a Denning.

(BTW, I still think Spies would be the better rider of the two.)
no worries jumkie. i also have to agree that B.S. is a better rider than CV. results have shown that he will adapt quickly to motogp. its the reasons why suzuki do not currently employ BS as a rider that we disagree on. IMO it was factors outside of PD's control. you dont see it that way and thats fair too. what i dont like seeing is peeps knocking others without the full facts.

p.s. i hope your boy gets well and mad soon, it seems that lady luck has deserted him @ the moment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 27 2009, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Takahashi ans alias would make great team mates. Save money on carbon brakes, just use other riders for brakes


Thats their secret cost savings plan. Speaking of missiles, what going on with Scud? Crashes but doesn't take anybody out? WTF?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 27 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>is anyone else here worried that the only way to induce some closer racing in the 800 class is to do a rain dance every friday night and impose a lottery system of qualification whilst limiting track time to 1.5 hrs? IMO if saturday had been dry(er), there would have been a procession again. not complaining about the race, just that this should be the bare minimum, not a highlight...


BigAl I have been thinking the same thing. What did we learn here today boys and girls, that less pre-race track time means more exciting racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 27 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BigAl I have been thinking the same thing. What did we learn here today boys and girls, that less pre-race track time means more exciting racing.
yup! reduce practice time, not increase it!



maybe reduce it by 5 min per each round until a rider crashes, move it back up to the previous time and leave it there?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 27 2009, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yup! reduce practice time, not increase it!



maybe reduce it by 5 min per each round until a rider crashes, move it back up to the previous time and leave it there?


You better hope Dorna doesn't read this forum, they just might try it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 27 2009, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yup! reduce practice time, not increase it!



maybe reduce it by 5 min per each round until a rider crashes, move it back up to the previous time and leave it there?


Boy if you really want close racing limit the practice times from the top on down to the bottom. The last place guy gets the most practice time. That would really impose close racing as the slower guys if they have the time to set up the bike better than the others they can compete. I am SURE NOONE would ever go for it but don't you think it would work?

I have a question:

What is the name of the Brit commentator from, can't remember which feed but I know it was one of the UK ones, who said this:

(Paraphrasing) 'Lorenzo is a stupid boy.' And 'oh great now we have to watch one of his nauseating celebrations', and on and on about how much Lorenzo's character is ...... and has a big ego, etc. etc. It started with him immediately after Lorenzo crossed the line. And when Lorenzo's bike wouldn't start, he was happy saying 'good, maybe this will keep him from celebrating'.

I heard the first comment and thought nothing much of it but them this dude called him a 'stupid' boy and continued crapping on Lorenzo. I couldn't believe it. BTW, its the first time I've heard this dude, we usually get another set of Brits on Speed (who are actually professional). I have said many times that the foreign commentators trump ours by miles, but after hearing this guy take a giant .... on the race winner, and seemed genuinely aggravated and voiced it over and over again, it made me disgusted. What a ....... tool. Just wondering (to get some perspective on this guy) what has been this commentator's reaction to Rossi's post win celebrations? Has he called Rossi's celebrations "nauseating' and said Vale has 'no lack of ego'? Now, I admit, Lorenzo was way to celebratory in 250s which made me not like the guy much. But he has had a rather humbling experience in MotoGP. The guy earned my respect last year. And though I am not a fan of the look-at-me celebrations of any rider, I don't think it’s the place of the commentator to take a .... on the guy right after his win. Anyway, what is the name of this commentator, he sucks balls?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 27 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Boy if you really want close racing limit the practice times from the top on down to the bottom. The last place guy gets the most practice time. That would really impose close racing as the slower guys if they have the time to set up the bike better than the others they can compete. I am SURE NOONE would ever go for it but don't you think it would work?
i think it could fly but dorna would pull out the "safety" card and shoot it down.....if only we could get close racing in motogp without having to meddle with practice times/tech rules/climatic conditions..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you see the post race interview with Hayden when they asked him about Takahashi's apology? Hayden's aw shucks, jest a country boy persona was barely in tact. Homeboy was pissed and he wasn't trying too hard to hide it. I'm hoping he doesn't swallow too much of that anger. Maybe it'll put a little more fire in the belly. I think he could use some of that. I think he's a talented guy - but him and Neukirschner are both just a bit too nice for their own good.

Yeah, Nick lost his cool. He was throwing gravel at Takahashi after the accident.

Nicky = Anakin Skywalker. He has more talent than everyone but Master Rossi; however he doesn't have the mental strength to keep it all together. He's won a couple of big races and a championship, but the DORNA council is holding him back with all of their stupid new rules.

Every day at Honda, Emperor Puig was like "strike me down, give into your anger". Hayden was like, "No. It's not the Honda way". Nick has run from Emporer Puig but his suffering continues. He needs to give in to his anger. Darth Dani is going to chopped in half and then Emperor Puig is going to save Nicky from the gravel trap. Darth Hayden and Emperor Puig are going to rule the MotoGP grid. Hayden is going to kill all of the younglings and then Master Rossi will have to go into exile. Hayden will ride around at his own pace while choking any fans who dare to boo.

Nicky's new Arai helmet for 2010:





Too bad there isn't any good GP racing to talk about.