*SPOILERS* Motegi Rd2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 27 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's his lack of credentials and the lack of integrity of the promoters - who for the sake of pandering to the local audience - added a less than competent rider just because he was Japanese.

Ah reminds me of Abe ....... and how we first saw him ....... now wouldn't the world have been a sad place without ever seeing him come into MGP

Hayden will get over it ....... he should get over it, for the sake of "getting on with it" ( not sure if the Hayden fans will ever get over it ..... look at .... v's Hayden Fans )

But anyway ..... you gotta remember that Hayden is pretty injured at the moment, so naturally he's going to react like someone is "grinding gravel out of a wound" for a while. Perhaps thats one reason that it aint a good idea for guys to ride whilst very injured ...... lets face it its gotta mess with your head if you keep getting "pain inducing events" occurring.

Takahasi will learn from it ( and hopefully we see him get on with riding ).

Hayden will hopefully get over it ...... he needs to ........ lets hope he is tougher than letting it ruin the rest of his MGP career I hope he is ...... I don't think another 3 years of living "the Pedrosa incident", or whatever, is very useful to him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 26 2009, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Despite predictions, no complaint about wrist problems from stoner even after a race where he finished off the podium. If he did complete a whole race at motegi with constant brake judder it would seem unlikely he will be impeded by his wrist at all this season.

Good point about the wrist. He never mentioned it so hopefully as you say it is in the past.

Apparently the carbon brakes take a long time to heat up (like a full racing lap) and are almost useless until they are hot. Think Takahashi just went in too hot and coudln't stop. Stupid mistake, and I feel very sorry for Hayden, but I also feel very sorry for Takahashi .
The guy is abviously trying desperately to make an impression, and perform in front of his home crowd, to firm up his ride. He just ...... up, and has become the villian because he took out one of the most popular guys. Would the reaction have been the same if he took out Gibbers.
Probably not.

Was talking to a buddy who was at the race -
Apparently Rossi had fuel concerns mid race. He went very hard at the start to make a break, and then had to conserve fuel. When Pedro caught him, he had no option but to open the tap again, and aparently his bike was completely empty at the end of the race and he just coasted around the cool down lap. Probably the same reason Jorge couldn't get his bike restarted after planting the flag.

Same guy was talking to one of the Duc guys after the race, and said they think Stoner just ended up with a dodgy set of pads on the front. Apparently the chater was very bad first 3 - 4 laps and gradually got better. He was having to brake very early because he wasn't confident in the brakes,
and was having trouble pulling the bike up. Problem got better as the race went on, but was never 100%.

Thanks Nuts. Thats what I wanted to hear. Now what was Vermeulins story?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 26 2009, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden will hopefully get over it ...... he needs to ........ lets hope he is tougher than letting it ruin the rest of his MGP career I hope he is ...... I don't think another 3 years of living "the Pedrosa incident", or whatever, is very useful to him.

Barry, please explain this please. I don't quite get you here

well great race at motegi it's great to see both of yamaha rider on podium
nice race for lorenzo
great race for rossi
even pedrobo it's suck but that's fine for this race
well stoner good race he can move from 7th to 4th
marco glad to see him back on top 10

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 26 2009, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi... I can't say I liked his race. He slowed down and settled for second with no real apparent reason this time, then woke up suddenly when Pedrosa passed him. He should have won this race, after the best start I can remember of him. Even if Lorenzo had a slightly better setup. Is his motivation still runnning strong? Does he need the red leathers of Stoner in sight to feel the sacred fire? We'll see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 27 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No offense taken, but since you are probably more intelligent, please explain why the same setup worked excellently in the opening laps, then did 'not work' in the middle of the race, then worked again suddenly when Rossi realized Pedrobot also was going past him.
Well... we have heard speculation that it was a fuel issue... I don't know. What I gathered from Rossi's post-race comments was that the setup he was using, because of the increased track temperatures, worked well early as his tyres warmed and came on; then the setup didn't work so well with the tyres in their sweet-spot BUT the setup worked well again as the tyres went off in the latter stage of the race...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 27 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really think that the closeness of this race was due to the limited time setting up the bikes. Not a bad race at all and there were times I was on the edge of my seat. That hasn't happend for a while with GP. It seems as though some got the setup right and some struggled but over all we as fans had something to watch for once without really knowing what the outcome would be.
I agree that less setup time seems to be making for a better (and less predictable) spectacle for us fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 27 2009, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good to hear Nicky's fine, I hope that Wiliarot is similarly o.k after being stretchered into an ambulance during the 250's.
PaddockTalk is saying that Wilairot is fine despite being stretchered off and will compete in Jerez.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 27 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Barry, please explain this please. I don't quite get you here

hmm I'm not sure whats confusing to you about it ..... but they overlying point of my post is ..... lets not turn the "Takahasi thing" into another "pedrosa thing", because, though regrettable incidents ( even moreso given Haydens health ), they are distracting to what should be Hayden's efforts.

Its MGP ..... if you ( and I don't believe Hayden is of such a mindset, but the fans may want to turn it into this .. ) are out there to have one guy as your "nemesis", then every body else is going "under the radar" whilst you are distracted. I would like to see a Hayden thats out there to beat the Ducati, and other riders as a whole, rather than single out Takahashi to teach a lesson too. Incidents happen all the time, its racing, its the getting over it that will be helpful to Hayden. If he hears/reads his fans are all "living it to death" ( the Takahashi incident ) I wonder if even that would effect a rider ( though as I've said before ..... I think Hayden himself is above that ). How much do we hear of the Rossi taking out DePuniet thing? ( they were long over it ) DeAngelis ramming Pedrosas pinned leg ( just about gone already )

I would argue that "The Pedrosa Incident", and the subsequent Pedrosa hate, has been distracting for Hayden. I even wonder if the incident did not permanently affect Hayden. ( so maybe I'm not dead sure he is above that? ..... who knows )

All I know is Hayden has bigger fish to fry than Takahashi ATM ....... would be my hope for him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 27 2009, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hmm I'm not sure whats confusing to you about it ..... but they overlying point of my post is ..... lets not turn the "Takahasi thing" into another "pedrosa thing", because, though regrettable incidents ( even moreso given Haydens health ), they are distracting to what should be Hayden's efforts.

Its MGP ..... if you ( and I don't believe Hayden is of such a mindset, but the fans may want to turn it into this .. ) are out there to have one guy as your "nemesis", then every body else is going "under the radar" whilst you are distracted. I would like to see a Hayden thats out there to beat the Ducati, and other riders as a whole, rather than single out Takahashi to teach a lesson too. Incidents happen all the time, its racing, its the getting over it that will be helpful to Hayden. If he hears/reads his fans are all "living it to death" ( the Takahashi incident ) I wonder if even that would effect a rider ( though as I've said before ..... I think Hayden himself is above that ). How much do we hear of the Rossi taking out DePuniet thing? ( they were long over it ) DeAngelis ramming Pedrosas pinned leg ( just about gone already )

I would argue that "The Pedrosa Incident", and the subsequent Pedrosa hate, has been distracting for Hayden. I even wonder if the incident did not permanently affect Hayden. ( so maybe I'm not dead sure he is above that? ..... who knows )

All I know is Hayden has bigger fish to fry than Takahashi ATM ....... would be my hope for him.

My sentiments exactly.

Hayden is a good-humored, likable guy, as well as a talanted rider, and I think him not getting hung-up on things in the past is essential to him being competitive in the future. I also like to think that the more rabid of Hayden fans who take the piss out of the other riders, whether they be Pedrosa or Takahashi, don't represent Hayden's mindset any more than Pat Robertson or Michael Moore do for the people of America.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 27 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would argue that "The Pedrosa Incident", and the subsequent Pedrosa hate, has been distracting for Hayden. I even wonder if the incident did not permanently affect Hayden. ( so maybe I'm not dead sure he is above that? ..... who knows )

All I know is Hayden has bigger fish to fry than Takahashi ATM ....... would be my hope for him.

The Pedro hate is because he comes across as a a sour faced, petulant, little prick.
To be honest, I actually think Pedro is just a shy kid, who gets led along by the manipulative ...... that is his manager.
Takahashi will never be enough of a threat to anyone to be hated. He's not the first to dump Hayden on his ..., and probably won't be the last.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialRossi said he had "some sort of problem" that impeded him mid-race, stoner reputedly had front brake vibration which showed on the telemetry throughout the race. I am inclined to believe both, as each actually usually tells the truth despite the way every utterance of stoner's is interpreted by some, and because neither rode in his usual fashion. I think each found a way to ride around the respective problems, rossi when challenged by pedrosa, and stoner when he realised dovi was in range. I agree settling for second even with a problem is uncharacteristic for rossi during his career, and perhaps a sign that he is very serious about winning the world championship again and rates his opposition. Maybe he was a little annoyed at the end because he realised he could have won the race if he had just gone for it as he usually has over the years.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialAs said earlier in the thread, I think set-up ability is crucial to the superiority of the consistently fast riders; doohan was the same, and I remember him being pissed off when they gave his settings to criville which usually increased alex's pace considerably.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialThat's different--something did not work well at the beginning (or the rider had a feeling it wasnt) then as the race progresses it goes better (less fuel in the tank solved it, or whatever).

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialBut a double change, from good to bad and then again to... good? Hhhhmmmmmm...

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialActually - sometimes they do. Carbon discs are very changeable and brake fluids heat up and change viscosity dramatically in the course of the race. That's why they have those little adjusters that the riders use when the brake starts to come back too close to the grips.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialAnd besides Stoner never said the problem "went away". He said over the course of the race - he'd learned to adjust his riding style in order to work around the chatter he was experiencing. That's the sign of a great rider - to be able to adapt to whatever is thrown at them. Very likely why Stoner's - as yet - the only guy to ride this bike at the front of the pack. THINK about it.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialI’m not completely satisfied mate! At that level of racing, waiting for carbon discs and fluids to adjust for the better means a huge mistake, and did the ‘chatering’ disappear? Kind of looks like it did, as a pro team, they can't be just hopping. I would be more convinced about the idea that Stoner lost concentration, as human error, even took it for granted after Qatar result, then got back to earth.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialI even kind of see that Ducati can support greatly just one rider, they can be supplying as many bikes as Big Fat Honda, but not even Honda have the means to fulfill their promises to non-factory teams to have the best parts and complete team works bikes (they always say they will but reality shows otherwise, even with teammates from factory team). So I think it’s exactly Ducati’s situation here, 100% percent concentration and development in one person one bike, and the rest get what can be picked up from it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 26 2009, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well... we have heard speculation that it was a fuel issue... I don't know. What I gathered from Rossi's post-race comments was that the setup he was using, because of the increased track temperatures, worked well early as his tyres warmed and came on; then the setup didn't work so well with the tyres in their sweet-spot BUT the setup worked well again as the tyres went off in the latter stage of the race...

Anithing could be and only riders and teams know.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 26 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nobody is criticizing his race - it's his lack of credentials and the lack of integrity of the promoters - who for the sake of pandering to the local audience - added a less than competent rider just because he was Japanese. BTW - in a post race interview Hayden said "I'm not all about the apologies and forgiveness." Apparently he was unmoved by Takahashi's remorse.

I only know that if a rider is out of the 1.07 or 7% (not sure exactly what the measure is) would not qualify to compete. So in my dreams, if I could only be off Rossi’s pace 7% I would apply for MotoGP! Takahashi could be all about Japs marketing, but there are rules to be fulfilled, no other team would let him race if these rules aren’t applied. It was a mistake and things happen, a lot of riders have done big mistakes and taken other riders, even the great ones (Rossi rings a bell). And most importantly, most riders have taken faulty mistakes from others (Rossi rings a bell too). The only thing is that Hayden seems to be more prone to attract this events (Pedrosa now rings a bell).

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74875

for all you waiting for a hayden update, in case you haven't read it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Apr 26 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HOly .... man. So what are you trying to say? I don't think he "flapped" at all during the race. He did what he had to do in order to salvage his race. He came back and then passed Dovi who should of been able to pass Pedrosa. It makes no sence in what your are saying because the race proved to be a good one for Stoner even though he had bike issues. More than I can say for Rossi cause he went backwards and almost lost another position. At least Stoner made up positions. If there were a few more laps he would of had Dani as well. Give it up and at least be impartial as hard as it may be. The race was decent and there were some hairy moments for a good bit of the race. Stoner did a good job point blank.

Ah, the vision of a fan boy.
Last time I checked Stoner started on 3rd and Rossi 1st. They ended up 4th and 2nd. And you are still able to see Rossi worse off

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Agiel7 @ Apr 27 2009, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden is a good-humored, likable guy, as well as a talanted rider, and I think him not getting hung-up on things in the past is essential to him being competitive in the future.

I also like to think that the more rabid of Hayden fans who take the piss out of the other riders, whether they be Pedrosa or Takahashi, don't represent Hayden's mindset any more than Pat Robertson or Michael Moore do for the people of America.

Best Post of this Thread so far!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Apr 26 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74875

for all you waiting for a hayden update, in case you haven't read it

Interesting that he mentions 'communication' again. It's apparently a big deal and is apparently being sorted.

Do note that Hayden didn't make any malicious threats like Pedrosa's recent "Life will pay him back!" spew to DeAngeles. Even when utterly pissed off, he's not the venomous type.

Nuts: Peddles is 23 and is fully old enough to take responsibility for his life. What he said about Alex after Qatar cost him any small shreds of respect he may have retained 'till now. I think the little ...... is rotten to the core. How he got this way doesn't really matter any more. Anyone with half a brain can see that Puig is a complete psychopath and a truly evil human being. I'm sorry for Dani's involvement with the ......., but I can no longer make excuses his acts and words.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 27 2009, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do note that Hayden didn't make any malicious threats like Pedrosa's recent "Life will pay him back!" spew to DeAngeles. Even when utterly pissed off, he's not the venomous type.

No he just threw kitty litter at him...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Apr 27 2009, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks Nuts. Thats what I wanted to hear. Now what was Vermeulins story?
according to some, its because he can't ride Spies bike but this is the real reason here..

http://www.suzuki-racing.com/news_page.asp...mp;OBJ_ID=16012

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Vermeulen made a great start and was in a podium position in the early part of the race, but an electrical fault relating to gear shifting caused Suzuki's Australian star to drop back through the field as he struggled to come to grips with difficulties in selecting gear. As the race progressed he managed to adapt to the problem and challenge for a higher finish: He passed James Toseland for ninth on the final lap, but the gear-change issue meant he was unable to hold the position and missed out on the line by a little over a tenth-of-a-second.

is anyone else here worried that the only way to induce some closer racing in the 800 class is to do a rain dance every friday night and impose a lottery system of qualification whilst limiting track time to 1.5 hrs? IMO if saturday had been dry(er), there would have been a procession again. not complaining about the race, just that this should be the bare minimum, not a highlight...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Apr 27 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.
CV - most disappointing ride for me. I'm really questioning now whether you deserve your spot. I really wish you had of left for Xerox ducati. Unless there are drastic improvements I think its back to WSBK.
Chris Vermeulen had a gear shift problem...

I'm really disappointed today, because I got a good start, the bike felt good and I thought a decent result would be possible," he said. "I pushed as hard as I could and tried to hang on to the back of Valentino (Rossi).

"From about the second or third lap I started to have a problem shifting gear heading into the turns and it made it difficult to stay consistent. I felt like I'd got it under control, but then the problem got worse from about lap six as I lost all shifting up and down without having to shut the throttle or use the clutch - so it was quite difficult.

"Other than that the bike worked really well and I felt like I could have challenged somewhere close to the front, but that's all ifs, buts and maybes and we now have to make sure what caused the problem today never happens again."

The Australian remains optimistic that Suzuki can recapture the form that saw it challenging Ducati and Yamaha in testing.

"If we can keep the speed we've had recently we will go to Jerez in a positive frame of mind and if we can iron-out all the little things, then I am sure we can start to challenge for podiums," said Vermeulen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 27 2009, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the vision of a fan boy.
Last time I checked Stoner started on 3rd and Rossi 1st. They ended up 4th and 2nd. And you are still able to see Rossi worse off
I can conceive of few circumstances where finishing 4th is better than finishing 2nd in a motogp race, and this is not one of them; perhaps riding a 250 bike or a hayate against real motogp bikes might qualify.

Paradoxically though stoner could have been happier with the day's proceedings after the race than rossi. I suspect valentino thinks he could have and should have won the race, particularly with stoner finishing down the track. On the other hand with casey and/or the ducati below par on the day 4th is the best result he could have realistically hoped for after the first few laps. Compared to his bad second race in 2008 at jerez, where he finished 11th, he may well think the fates are again favouring him, particularly with valentino not winning.

I also thought casey's ride was mature, with no throwing of the bike at the scenery as on occasion last year when things were not working.