So Lorenzo is ....?

Lorenzo is not ....!. Give him sometime. He just needs more times to suit his style. Several crashes in a row ain't no fun,so he needs to calm down a little bit. Next year I think he will be a serious contender for the title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Jul 14 2008, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is not ....!. Give him sometime. He just needs more times to suit his style. Several crashes in a row ain't no fun,so he needs to calm down a little bit. Next year I think he will be a serious contender for the title.


I agree with you there, lorenzo's certainly not ..... After taking that many knocks its bound to play havok on his mental state. Lorenzo has the oppurtunity now to take his rookie year into moto gp with a cautious approach and taking advantage of the fact that he has no pressure of being a championship contender ( which lets face it, he was certainly looking that way ). I think it will do him a world of good and next year he will be one to look out for ( not that ive wrote him off for this year, i reckon he'll bounce back with some good results over the next couple of races ).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>coz hes a crasher? but people still rate him highly.

casey crashed a bit in his debut season. and hey rossi fans, rosi crashed heaps too in his debut season - but selective memory says he had a stellar debut season

why do people keep on harping back to stoners debut season on an LCR, which i thought was pretty awesome, where he had a near win, and acheived a pole and earnt 119 points, thats nearly the same as haydens points in 2007 (compare checas results and Randys results on an LCR - who are seasoned veterans btw.)

i think this is a topic about Lorenzo, where the hell did Stoner come into the picture?? Whatever teh topic is, u keep starting ur stoned praise. Only if u keep ur mouth shut (perhaps for sometime). Praise for stoner wud automatically come in this forum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>coz hes a crasher? but people still rate him highly.

casey crashed a bit in his debut season. and hey rossi fans, rosi crashed heaps too in his debut season - but selective memory says he had a stellar debut season

why do people keep on harping back to stoners debut season on an LCR, which i thought was pretty awesome, where he had a near win, and acheived a pole and earnt 119 points, thats nearly the same as haydens points in 2007 (compare checas results and Randys results on an LCR - who are seasoned veterans btw.)
you should get your facts straight first.

rossi's 2000 season.
3 retirements. south Africa, malasia,which were the first 2 races he had started in the 500 and valencia.

stoner 2006 season.
6 retirements i 1 non start

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm pretty sure at least one of them came coz of mechanical failure

so how many is horhey up to?
whatever ! after all it was you who brought it up. you say people keep harping on about it and you made the ill thought out comparison

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jul 14 2008, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think this is a topic about Lorenzo, where the hell did Stoner come into the picture?? Whatever teh topic is, u keep starting ur stoned praise. Only if u keep ur mouth shut (perhaps for sometime). Praise for stoner wud automatically come in this forum.


it's quite simple if you stop and re-read what pinky wrote. its actually one of the first posts i DID understand what he was saying.

lorenzo is crashing it up quite a bit this year, but yet still considered a strong rider / candidate for next year's championship.

stoner crashed it up quite a bit his first season, and everyone was surprised that he jumped on a factory bike and won the championship.

get it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 14 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's quite simple if you stop and re-read what pinky wrote. its actually one of the first posts i DID understand what he was saying.

lorenzo is crashing it up quite a bit this year, but yet still considered a strong rider / candidate for next year's championship.

stoner crashed it up quite a bit his first season, and everyone was surprised that he jumped on a factory bike and won the championship.

get it?
funny thing is pinkys comparisons make stoner look even worse. read above for the stoner/rossi first season retirement's.

now he is comparing to lorenzo/stoner. ok the seasons only half way through but.
stoner 6 retirement's and 1 non start.
lorenzo 2 retirements and 1 non start due to injury.

the more you try to big up stoner pinky the worse you make him look.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 14 2008, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>funny thing is pinkys comparisons make stoner look even worse. read above for the stoner/rossi first season retirement's.

now he is comparing to lorenzo/stoner. ok the seasons only half way through but.
stoner 6 retirement's and 1 non start.
lorenzo 2 retirements and 1 non start due to injury.

the more you try to big up stoner pinky the worse you make him look.

hardly rog. your a fool if you can't step back and see the comparison between lorenzo and stoner.

and pinkies last reply is actually right on. the factory yamaha is probably the all around best bike in the paddock right now. the yam in general is the bike to be on. that's pretty obvious (one would think). stoner didn't have that luxury his first year in GP.

anyway. racing is a funny thing. if you aren't compfortable on the bike, you won't do well. period. i remember hearing that haga made his mechaincs put on the old r7 forks on his r1 because he liked the feel. his mechanics thought he was nuts, but can't argue with his results!

edit: wanted to add the reason i mentioned haga, was so you could understand that if ANY of the riders aren't compfortable with something they won't do well, or bin it (since they are pushign it WAY past the limits 100% of the time).

stoner on LCR: maybe it was the michelins? he just didn't like 'em? look at (damn, what was the japanese rider that was switched from bridgestone to michelin and STRUGGLED!) found it, tamada.

marco on the duc: nuff said

haga and r7 forks: read above.

etc....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hardly, remember the 1 DNS was due to horhey crashing the day before, so u can chalk up another on the DNF column.

and remember horhey is on a full factory bike, has 100% support from michelin, unlimited budget, the best engineers.

whereas LCR pffft
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LOL, what a joke thread.

I'm so confused. Pinky starts topic asking if Lorenzo is ..... Response is no. Pink responds by saying he knows, was a rhetorical question. Pinky then compares Lorenzo and Stoner rookie seasons (as well as Rossi's and Hayden's title defense season, just to make sure he could manage to wind up 80 percent of the forum with a single thread). Then Pinky goes into Stoner defense mode when it is discovered that Lorenzo is enjoying a more fruitful rookie campaign than Stoner.

I gotta admit Pinky, you are certainly entertaining. But I don't get why you would create this thread. Your reasoning (inadvertently I'm sure) has put down Stoner. Come on Pink, you're better than this.

Lorenzo won on his 3rd attempt (Estoril 2008) in his 1st season. I bet you guys (surely) don't forget that.
He started so so well early this season. After victory in Estoril,he is getting too much confidence so he feels that "..Ah now it's time to make history..World Champion in my rookie year..".
Since than it seems that he is pushing it so so hard beyond the limit....and unlucky for him, he's often ended in the gravel.
After that several crashes, now he's become much wise and patient. Nobody is gonna fired him if he doesn't win the title this year!. He's the future of the Yamaha. Jorge certainly one of the most talented rookie in the paddock.
Reminds me of Kocinski ( and Rossi ) in his debut. He was very fast and often crashed.
Everybody needs more time to adapting to a new toys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Jul 14 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo won on his 3rd attempt (Estoril 2008) in his 1st season. I bet you guys (surely) don't forget that.
He started so so well early this season. After victory in Estoril,he is getting too much confidence so he feels that "..Ah now it's time to make history..World Champion in my rookie year..".
Since than it seems that he is pushing it so so hard beyond the limit....and unlucky for him, he's often ended in the gravel.
After that several crashes, now he's become much wise and patient. Nobody is gonna fired him if he doesn't win the title this year!. He's the future of the Yamaha. Jorge certainly one of the most talented rookie in the paddock.
Reminds me of Kocinski ( and Rossi ) in his debut. He was very fast and often crashed.
Everybody needs more time to adapting to a new toys.


Speaking of Kocinski, this is a vid I can't get enough of

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in the last few races he hasnt been pushing as hard, but has still crashed.

point is HE IS A ROOKIE. people seem to be able to forgive horhey, but for stoner it seems to be brought up all the time, despite ACTUALLY winning a MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

in that case why not talk about stoner when he was 12 years old? oh comon now thats not realistic is it..... oh but you want a 19 year old not to make mistakes at the elite level?

oh and remember horhey is 20, a year older than when stoner made his debut.
and stoner didnt start onroad racing till he was 14?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 14 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in the last few races he hasnt been pushing as hard, but has still crashed.

point is HE IS A ROOKIE. people seem to be able to forgive horhey, but for stoner it seems to be brought up all the time, despite ACTUALLY winning a MOTOGP WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

in that case why not talk about stoner when he was 12 years old? oh comon now thats not realistic is it..... oh but you want a 19 year old not to make mistakes at the elite level?

oh and remember horhey is 20, a year older than when stoner made his debut.
and stoner didnt start onroad racing till he was 14?