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Silly Season 2018

Two riders of equal skills is only a problem when one of them is a human torpedo.

See Iannone, Andrea.



Ok, running from Iamapony here but Ianonne has not been in a team where he has been the equal of his team mate ................

He may at times be the equal, but across a full season he has a long way to go to get that consistency.

Jokes aside, he could do far worse than chat to one Rossi, Valentino (may need to organise via Uccio) about how to meld the personal persona with the mindset of a racer, as for mine Ianonne gets to distracted off track.
 
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Ok, running from Iamapony here but Ianonne has not been in a team where he has been the equal of his team mate ................

He may at times be the equal, but across a full season he has a long way to go to get that consistency.

Jokes aside, he could do far worse than chat to one Rossi, Valentino (may need to organise via Uccio) about how to meld the personal persona with the mindset of a racer, as for mine Ianonne gets to distracted off track.

Fair play to Iannone, he got a bad rap for being a playboy over the past few years, but got his act together this year. Unfortunately, it might be a case of too little, too late.
 
Fair play to Iannone, he got a bad rap for being a playboy over the past few years, but got his act together this year. Unfortunately, it might be a case of too little, too late.

To be fair, and I may well change opinion by years end but he has come good at time where there is contract talk about who will replace him.

His Suzuki career to date has been rather unremarkable but now we get talk of his possibly going or being dropped and we get results.

Yes, likely see me get some hate mail but it always interests me how many athletes in a variety of sport suddenly find form at contract talk time
 
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Serious question though, why is a clear #2 better when you have the elite in your team?

HRC had no issues with CS and Pedrosa with Dovi for a year, nor did it really affect the performances of Yamaha in the JL/VR years

Besides, a clear #2 is not going to put pressure on the other rider, nor are they likely to be able to assist with evaluation of equipment as they may well be that much slower.

For me, two elite riders in a team may be counter-productive to some results (taking points of the other) but will however produce higher level of results.

It is a catch 22
Bearing in mind that it's only my opinion, fella, but I reckon that it's better purely for the reason that you mentioned of 2 top level guys taking points off each other.
I think it's only really best for the factory when you have a phenom like Marc in the number 1 seat with all point gaining focused towards the championship.
The brass tacks is that it's just a feeling that I have. I don't have empirical data to back it up and I've made a pig's ear of articulating myself.
 
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Bearing in mind that it's only my opinion, fella, but I reckon that it's better purely for the reason that you mentioned of 2 top level guys taking points off each other.
I think it's only really best for the factory when you have a phenom like Marc in the number 1 seat with all point gaining focused towards the championship.
The brass tacks is that it's just a feeling that I have. I don't have empirical data to back it up and I've made a pig's ear of articulating myself.


Realise it is your thoughts and all good, I just come from a different school.

For mine, if we use Marquez as a guide, he is that kind of talent where you do not need a #1 or #2 (officially) within a team as Marquez is such a rare talent that you will not have an equal in the team based purely on chances of it happening.

The closest we have had in the last 20 or so years has been the Yamaha garage of Lorenzo and Rossi, and if we are fair neither of those two cost the other the title and likely drove the other to higher standards.

For my way of it, to have a #1 and #2 is already displaying a heirachy which does not bode well for team harmony nor recovery should #1 not work out, be injured etc.

Of course there are exceptions but all of the exceptions I can think of are older riders who have gone to a team where there is already that extreme rarity of talent (Edward to Rossi for example).

I understand where you are coming from and would say that in some classes it would be possible or make sense, but when you get to the top of the game the issue is the individual's ego which rules so much of what they do, why and when.

To me, the cream will always rise to the top no matter who their team mate may be.

I should add that where a younger guy is a good choice for a #2 is for those teams that may be struggling financially as sometimes that younger guy will take a small paycheck for the opportunity to prove himself, but again you then have him determined to beat that team #1.
 
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I think it makes sense as a winning strategy to have a #1 rider. If that rider knows he has the team's undivided attention, with nothing to signal anything but full confidence in him, as opposed to the idea that one is a back-up for the other. The old cliche about the guy you want to beat most is your teammate is a truism, but ultimately it's better to have your main rider concentrating on beating the other manufacturers - which is a higher priority from the perspective of the factory.

The duels between Rossi and Lorenzo those first few seasons w them as teammates were some of the best of that decade. Loved it. Must have had the Yamaha people biting their nails. The tension in the garage between those two tho, can't have been productive for the team in general. I had a more than decade long period where I was very much immersed in Japanese culture and can say, I believe, that the idea of their top two employees fighting amongst themselves would be considered, bad teamwork, both embarrassing and undignified.
 
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Not relating to the any discussion going on, but I wonder why the factories stick with the riders as long as they do.

You would think for the money they pay, but mostly the opportunity cost, if a rider will not be a contender they would replace them with a young hopeful from moto2 the next year.

Ya, it's a risk but so is going to a new engine type, or changing a frame, etc.

This would include:

Lorenzo - troubled and unreliable for the last years at Yamaha, only a contender if others faltered.

Dani - He's not been a contender for a long time

Rossi - should have been gone starting in 2016, but I understand that T-Shirt sales are also important.

Smith, Redding, Petrucci, Ianone (attitude, mostly) Miller, Crotchlow, Esparago's, Bautista (sorry, dude)

Give another year or two: Vinales

Keep: Zarco, other new yet unproven guys
 
Lets assume for a second that Patronas are indeed buying out VDS and they field a team with Syarin and Lorenzo.

Then what happens to Morbidelli? He deserves a good ride in the GP but whats left?
If Miller goes to the factory Ducati then Pramac is an option but its looking more likely Petrucci will get that ride.
Repsol has a free seat that could be possible but unlikely.
I don't know if Taka has a one or two year contract but he brings in sponsorship so I don't see him making way for Franco.
Tech3 KTM still has an open seat but off the top of my head I can't think of any other good seats available.
 
I thought a huge motivation for Petronas was to run a Malaysian rider?
 
Not likely due to the vr46 affiliation. Just don't think Honda would employ any rider from there.

Franco is already riding for Honda with Marc vds. I suspect you have him confused with another rider, maybe Bagnaia whom is still in Moto2 and most certainly a VR46 rider.
 
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Franco is already riding for Honda with Marc vds. I suspect you have him confused with another rider, maybe Bagnaia whom is still in Moto2 and most certainly a VR46 rider.

Under the official factory team. They are not blacked balled like Biaggi. I just don't see HRC putting any riders from that group on the FACTORY TEAM.
 

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