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Says the King Of Red Herrings, False Equivalencies and Muddied Water. You must realize that only fools and malicious cretins support your nonsense posts. I am in no way compelled to honor your twisted interpretation of what I should and shouldn't do. No matter how much you clog this forum in your childish attempts to be the leader or whatever puerile fantasy you're indulging in, you will never be the boss of anyone. I can't be arsed to justify to you anything I do, because you just don't matter. Grow up Sammy.
I am not sure if I missed the thread, if it went under your radar or if you simply made selective information picking but 2 things
1) its all over the media’s in Spain that Márquez is called a traitor as he has officially blocked the access to HRC for Lorenzo, justification is that 2 strong leaders in the same Team is not good for the bike developments
Source https://www.diariogol.com/motor/mar...-2019-o-pobre-chaval-que-pena_558131_102.html
2) Marc VDS moto2 and MotoGP truck have not arrived in Mugello
Cheers
1) its all over the media’s in Spain that Márquez is called a traitor as he has officially blocked the access to HRC for Lorenzo, justification is that 2 strong leaders in the same Team is not good for the bike developments
Source https://www.diariogol.com/motor/mar...-2019-o-pobre-chaval-que-pena_558131_102.html
2) Marc VDS moto2 and MotoGP truck have not arrived in Mugello
Cheers
Oh ...., son...
Where are all the crocodiles who were shedding tears when there were reports of Zarco getting “blocked” by Rossi?
If Marquez blocked, as with if Rossi blocked than it is a .... move that to me at least represents self doubt, which is why I am not convinced of either as both of those guys and near all riders have the utmost belief that they are superior to the colleagues.
That is not to say however that their relevant teams may not have played a part.
Personally, I suspect that JB played as strong a role in the blocking of CS (they did not and do not get along) but as Rossi is the team head he is therefore named and associated, just as I would expect team Marquez behind the scenes to put up the wall as it suits, mind you it also places Puig in a tough corner but business is business.
That said, anyway I simply do not see JL as successful on the Honda as to me it is far more Ducati than it is Yamaha
I'm no motogpologist or anything, but I would've thought that if you're going to replace Dani, then you bring in a young thruster who can learn his GP trade on the Honda.
The problem is that Marc is still very young himself. Any one coming into the team wouldn't be much younger than he is.
I think having defined number 1 and number 2 riders is better for overall team success, but it must suck big-time to be the number 2 guy.
The problem is that Marc is still very young himself. Any one coming into the team wouldn't be much younger than he is.
I think having defined number 1 and number 2 riders is better for overall team success, but it must suck big-time to be the number 2 guy.
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Norah Head
No young guy will happily accept being number two if they have ambition.
Sure, they may take a '#2' role but riders with ambition will not hide that ambition for long which will upset the applecart, and all before their ego gets in the way.
Nope, for a true #2 you generally need a journeyman rider or older rider as many of these people know that their best chances are behind them and know their role in today's team.
True, but I suspect that he may not genuinely consider Dovi an equal in riding terms as he has consistently beaten Dovi up until 2017 but he has spent a fair few years battling with and losing to Lorenzo.
Ego is an interesting thing with some sports people
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Can you see JLo being a humble number 2 rider to MM, really?
Dani has been a blessing for MM these last few years....and HRC are not likely to upset MM or the garage in a way that threatens MM leaving at the end of 2020....JLo would be a horrid teammate to MM, much as he is to Dovi now....
The only other riders I see MM accepting accepting as his teammate in the next 2 seasons are Dani or his brother Alex...no one else....
Didn't stop the anti Rossi brigade from claiming he blocked Zarco, even when Zarco himself later clarified this is not true.
Just passing through... pointing out the hypocrisy... Just passing through...
To be totally fair here Synn, Zarco does leave a little gray area ..........
'Yamaha didn't propose me anything for the future. I thought I would've had contacts at the end of 2017, but it wasn't the case. There were rumors saying Valentino may have blocked me, but I didn't think so. I respect Vale to much to think so and I know that even if he's important inside Yamaha, the Japanese are the one who decide'.
Pedantic yes but he does not state outright but rather alludes to his not expecting it to have occurred.
Irrespective, the bigger thing for me from the statement is that Yamaha did not contact him ..........
FFS, if people are worried about a ....-block but allowing Yamaha to get away with no contact, that shows the priorities.
There in lies the rub, mate. As you and Gaz rightly pointed out, there's not many who are A. Willing to accept number 2 status and B. Good enough to win races.
I suppose my main point was to highlight that, when you have a rider as good as Marc or Casey, having a clear number 2 is better for the factory (in terms of championship results).
Maybe a young rider would take the job if they knew that after 2 years, Marc was going to leave, but that is just pure supposition on my behalf and not worth a jar of pickled dog's hamptons.
Yamaha are typically Japanese, more afraid of admitting they were wrong and facing shame than poor results. We saw the same with Suzuki after they screwed up bringing two new riders and watching Iannone bomb spectacularly last year, but still staying on course.
It is a given that Rossi will have a seat at Yamaha for as long as he wants to. He is way too valuable for them from a marketing perspective and he is still competitive (I can hear the knives sharpening already). But I don't think that's what influenced the Zarco situation.
What I think happened with Zarco is this:
- Yamaha is too proud to admit Vinales wasn't what they hoped he was and didn't want to drop him and bring in Zarco.
- They offered Zarco better kit this year than Tech 3 typically gets because they still wanted to acknowledge that he is a fantastic rider.
- Reading between the lines of statements from Lin Jarvis, it appears that Yamaha wanted to negotiate a new deal with Tech 3 for 2019, which includes Bagnaia in the second seat and possibly a factory spec bike for Zarco (Jarvis: "We traditionally offer year old bikes to satellite teams, but are prepared to revisit this if the situation calls for it").
Only, they were too late, Herve already got in bed with KTM and so did Zarco.
End result is that Yamaha lost a potential championship winner and Zarco is now on a bike that won't win a championship for at least another 3 years. Loss-loss all around.
Serious question though, why is a clear #2 better when you have the elite in your team?
HRC had no issues with CS and Pedrosa with Dovi for a year, nor did it really affect the performances of Yamaha in the JL/VR years
Besides, a clear #2 is not going to put pressure on the other rider, nor are they likely to be able to assist with evaluation of equipment as they may well be that much slower.
For me, two elite riders in a team may be counter-productive to some results (taking points of the other) but will however produce higher level of results.
It is a catch 22
About my thinking ........ they procrastinated while others acted and in the meantime, Zarco who had felt un-loved then felt the love and took it and in reality, who could blame the guy. Heck, if you are performing in the manner he has and get nothing in return (talking approach) then you will get a sour taste in your mouth and look elsewhere.
As for Vinales I am in the corner that says the tyre change last year (again, I fall into the add extra compounds but keep what is already there corner) ...... him over somewhat as he had peak confidence and then that went south. To be fair to him however his performances are not worse than those of Rossi but much the same so he is not doing pathetic but likely is under-performing based on expectations. A fair call IMO.
Now for the bolded part, yeah there will be knives but you will also find that the vast majority of people here recognise Rossi's dollar value to Yamaha, DORNA and the 'show', thus they (and I am in that corner) fully expect him to be involved and racing for as long as he chooses. But that all said, I also suspect that his ego will not allow him to become an 'also ran' so he will know when it is time and it will align with something that the fans will not see - it will be that inner self telling him.
