Silly Season 2012

michaelm said:

As others have said, the no. 2 factory yamaha bike seems to be having basic mechanical failures this year which doesn't inspire confidence, and not having his own team working on it would not increase confidence. I agree a theoretically "full factory" satellite honda would likely be less equal than those provided for 2 spanish repsol honda team riders as others have said.



Still I would think more chance of being truly competitive for yamaha, a greater achievement to turn ducati around. I imagine audi would be quite motivated to make sure their newly purchased prestige motor bike brand was not permanently associated with not giving valentino what he needed.

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From my recollection the mechanical failures have both been after big offs earlier in the weekend. I cannot believe that Spies' team would deliberately send him out on a chassis with a known fracture, which may mean they are not checking for damage well enough, or more likely because the fractures were in the very early stages and didn't show up on the portable xray etc. kit that I assume they have available at the weekends.



As far as Rossi not being able to bring JB & Co with Yamaha rumoured to be claiming the cost is an issue, if those rumours are true then surely he has the option to bring them and pay them out of the rumoured 3-4 million he'd get. It'd be cheaper on his pocket than the rumoured terms of a satellite Honda offer.



As far as Ducati/Audi, the rumours seem to imply they are falling over themselves to increase the salary offer when Rossi has said that it's not money that will be the main motivator for him in his choice, and that makes sense to me. He has only a few years left in the sport and being on a competitive bike with JB & Co is bound to be far more important that earning more cash on a bike that can't podium in the dry on merit.



I'd like for him to stay and for Ducati/Audi to be able to turn it round, but the second part of that may well be a big ask in the timescales regardless of Audi's doubtless motivation. The Furasawa rumour is an interesting one, but seems unlikely to be true. If it turns out to be, then all bets are off, IMO

woody996 said:

It was a good one wasn't it...

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Yes it was pure genius....well done.



My point however was that you of all people should not be parading yourself as some paragon of virtue on these forums.

Mr Squiggle said:

Just thought I would remind everyone of the response you directed at me after I made this rather innocuous post that was not even referring to YOU in the first place..........





Mr Squiggle, on 13 June 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:





Incredible amounts of sooking going on at the moment by the bitter boppers....lashing out at anything and anyone

your response........



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"Are you talking about me you weak as piss ........ loser. I've already given credit where it is due. If you were Australian, you wouldn't be making excuses for being overseas in a ....... hole. ..... "[/font]





http://www.powerslid...pic=14108&st=60





I guess it's hard to rise above it with people like you on the forum....



It is this sort of abuse that is the very reason I dont bother contributing at all on here these days....

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J4rn0 said:

That's a key point. We may trust the absolute fair play by Lorenzo and Jarvis, who are now all powerful at Yamaha, but Certainly Rossi doesn't. In this respect the issue of taking JB & C with him is the key issue and the only guarantee. The fact that Yamaha does not seem willing to take the team with Rossi, is worrying him. Some say that Furusawa has the role of a guarantor who enjoys Rossi's total trust. But Furusawa, although certainly still influential, is now offline.

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I am surprised that anyone would think that Rossi deserves fair treatment. This is the guy that offered Yamaha an ultimatum because his team mate was getting the same stuff as him. Here it is again:



http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle...ossi-gives-yamaha-lorenzo-ultimatum/8732.html



The fact that Yamaha have offered him a return but no team or entourage is pay back and IN MY OPINION (just so the boppers don't get upset) says that we don't want you but Ezpeleta is forcing us so you can come but you will be Lorenzo's ....., .....! Now get on your knees and beg!

Mr Squiggle said:

Just thought I would remind everyone of the response you directed at me after I made this rather innocuous post that was not even referring to YOU in the first place..........





Mr Squiggle, on 13 June 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:





Incredible amounts of sooking going on at the moment by the bitter boppers....lashing out at anything and anyone

your response........



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"Are you talking about me you weak as piss ........ loser. I've already given credit where it is due. If you were Australian, you wouldn't be making excuses for being overseas in a ....... hole. ..... "[/font]





http://www.powerslid...pic=14108&st=60





I guess it's hard to rise above it with people like you on the forum....



It is this sort of abuse that is the very reason I dont bother contributing at all on here these days....

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I just do my best to ignore this crap. You're a welcome contributor and should stick around and as much as possible ignore the schmucks.

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Watching the children?

Mental Anarchist said:

I am surprised that anyone would think that Rossi deserves fair treatment. This is the guy that offered Yamaha an ultimatum because his team mate was getting the same stuff as him. Here it is again:



http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle...ossi-gives-yamaha-lorenzo-ultimatum/8732.html



The fact that Yamaha have offered him a return but no team or entourage is pay back and IN MY OPINION (just so the boppers don't get upset) says that we don't want you but Ezpeleta is forcing us so you can come but you will be Lorenzo's ....., .....! Now get on your knees and beg!

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yamaka46 said:

From my recollection the mechanical failures have both been after big offs earlier in the weekend. I cannot believe that Spies' team would deliberately send him out on a chassis with a known fracture, which may mean they are not checking for damage well enough, or more likely because the fractures were in the very early stages and didn't show up on the portable xray etc. kit that I assume they have available at the weekends.

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Sure, I am suggesting incompetence rather than malevolence. There was also some story they had to send him out on the (un)repaired number 1 bike this last time because they couldn't get the number bike 2 to work or somesuch.

What some bops fail to realize, is that some people really dont give a .... if Rossi is happy. Its unimaginable for someone not to think like them. Ive always said the 46 fan base was a cult, and you were a blasphemer in their eyes if you didnt preach the mantra and kiss the ring. How in the hell does someone interpret a person wishing Rossi have a terrible season, to wishing their family dies, is beyond reasonable thinking.. I said the same thing about the offers to Rossi. It is clear that they are not stumbling all over themselves to get him back. They felt forced to make an offer, so the low balled him. If he comes under those terms, fine. If he doesnt, fine. One thing is for sure, Rossi does not have a strong hand to play this time around.

Goatboy said:

Watching the children?

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Goatboy said:

Stay with Ducati, if Yamaha is treating him like that at this stage (the money fair enough, the team not so)

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As an contractor, which is what they are, Rossi's team cop a lot more benefits than other teams - I can see why they want him to cover the additional costs.



It's like if you were making a mosaic for a customer and you had the BEST tiler in the world - but he lived in the wilds of South America - so you made the customer pay for first class travel to the job site and home again on the friday, every week.



Or, you could get the worlds (arguably) second-best tiler who lives in the same country as the job, and drive him to and from the work site each week.



As an employer, I know which I would rather do... let you have your way, but the additional costs come out of your end.



I don't see them as being unfair. The majority of top riders crews are contract employees - whenever I have been a contract employee it's been on me to get to the employers HQ - they are responsible for getting me around to their customers.

povol said:

Ive always said the 46 fan base was a cult, and you were a blasphemer in their eyes if you didnt preach the mantra and kiss the ring.

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Eeeewwwwww!



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Zootalaws said:

As an contractor, which is what they are, Rossi's team cop a lot more benefits than other teams - I can see why they want him to cover the additional costs.



It's like if you were making a mosaic for a customer and you had the BEST tiler in the world - but he lived in the wilds of South America - so you made the customer pay for first class travel to the job site and home again on the friday, every week.



Or, you could get the worlds (arguably) second-best tiler who lives in the same country as the job, and drive him to and from the work site each week.



As an employer, I know which I would rather do... let you have your way, but the additional costs come out of your end.



I don't see them as being unfair. The majority of top riders crews are contract employees - whenever I have been a contract employee it's been on me to get to the employers HQ - they are responsible for getting me around to their customers.

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The rumour is that they are not wanted at all, & I stress that is a rumour. & As such it's an obvious slap in the face given how long that team has been together.

Goatboy said:

The rumour is that they are not wanted at all, & I stress that is a rumour. & As such it's an obvious slap in the face given how long that team has been together.

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What they are saying is, we really dont want any of you. Its like when a bank conditions a loan application to 50% down. They put the condition out of reach instead of just denying the loan all together.. Depending on how desperate Rossi is to return to the line up, he may put the 50% down so to speak. Or Dorna will step in and subsidize the team expenses.

I think some people here are projecting their dislike for Rossi on Yamaha.

Yamaha certainly has more articulated feelings and thoughts on the matter; and certainly Dorna cannot twist their arm (the lure of a good sponsor and the good publicity of VR46 going back to them weighs much more than Ezpeleta's recommendations in Yamaha's priority list). I know that a majority of the Yamaha development engineers (who are still the same men that Furusawa put there) would be delighted to have Rossi back in the loop.



Then, the price they offer is kept low for a simple reason: why pay more when you think you can have Rossi anyway?

The man who decided to offer Rossi a contract never spoke to Rossi or Ezpeleta: he sits in Tokyo, comes from the Toyota-F1 side of the company and looks purely after the business. His name is Takaaki Kimura.

J4rn0 said:

I think some people here are projecting their dislike for Rossi on Yamaha.

Yamaha certainly has more articulated feelings and thoughts on the matter; and certainly Dorna cannot twist their arm (the lure of a good sponsor and the good publicity of VR46 going back to them weighs much more than Ezpeleta's recommendations in Yamaha's priority list). I know that a majority of the Yamaha development engineers (who are still the same men that Furusawa put there) would be delighted to have Rossi back in the loop.



Then, the price they offer is kept low for a simple reason: why pay more when you think you can have Rossi anyway?

The man who decided to offer Rossi a contract never spoke to Rossi or Ezpeleta: he sits in Tokyo, comes from the Toyota-F1 side of the company and looks purely after the business. His name is Takaaki Kimura.

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No offence J but that is a little naive. Do you not think Takaaki Kimura (I have no idea who he is) just picks up the phone and calls Rossi on a whim? Of course not. Many people would be involved and much discussion with Lin Jarvis and all the other Race Team execs would be consulted. Ezpeleta spoke to Yamaha. Fact. Who in Yamaha that was means jack .....



Fast forward to late next year. Lorenzo is spanking Rossi. Rossi unhappy about being beaten by Lorenzo starts throwing Yamaha under the bus, claiming favouritism to Lorenzo and his requests for softening the engine or what ever else he asks for is denied because Lorenzo, yes Lorenzo has developed a winning package that suits him. The 'good' PR that Rossi will allegedly bring could very easily become bad when Rossi doesn't win and the cult turns on Yamaha. There is now a massive precedence for this.



Tell me why the engineers want Rossi back? They have a bike that is arguably the best bike on the grid. They are getting some credit for developing it instead of the great myth that it is all Rossi, which even now the cult still believes. Where Rossi is concern the manufacturer never wins they can only lose.

Mental Anarchist said:

No offence J but that is a little naive. Do you not think Takaaki Kimura (I have no idea who he is) just picks up the phone and calls Rossi on a whim? Of course not. Many people would be involved and much discussion with Lin Jarvis and all the other Race Team execs would be consulted. Ezpeleta spoke to Yamaha. Fact. Who in Yamaha that was means jack .....



Fast forward to late next year. Lorenzo is spanking Rossi. Rossi unhappy about being beaten by Lorenzo starts throwing Yamaha under the bus, claiming favouritism to Lorenzo and his requests for softening the engine or what ever else he asks for is denied because Lorenzo, yes Lorenzo has developed a winning package that suits him. The 'good' PR that Rossi will allegedly bring could very easily become bad when Rossi doesn't win and the cult turns on Yamaha. There is now a massive precedence for this.



Tell me why the engineers want Rossi back? They have a bike that is arguably the best bike on the grid. They are getting some credit for developing it instead of the great myth that it is all Rossi, which even now the cult still believes. Where Rossi is concern the manufacturer never wins they can only lose.

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Can you give us a single link regarding highlighted part?

inam said:

Can you give us a single link regarding highlighted part?

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In the future, which is what my post referred to, when Rossi asks for this and a journo writes it I will provide the link.



Rossi has always wanted a smooth and gentle engine. Was his first complaint almost at Ducati and still complains today about it. Lorenzo complained about this all last year riding the bike built for Rossi. This year Lorenzo asked for a more powerful engine and got it. He now has the same punch as the Honda. It is my opinion, there it is again, that Rossi will not like the engine and will want it softened and Lorenzo will say no and Rossi will get the ......

Mental Anarchist said:

In the future, which is what my post referred to, when Rossi asks for this and a journo writes it I will provide the link.



Rossi has always wanted a smooth and gentle engine. Was his first complaint almost at Ducati and still complains today about it. Lorenzo complained about this all last year riding the bike built for Rossi. This year Lorenzo asked for a more powerful engine and got it. He now has the same punch as the Honda. It is my opinion, there it is again, that Rossi will not like the engine and will want it softened and Lorenzo will say no and Rossi will get the ......

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Didn't think you will be able to provide any thing, above post is all irrelevant to what you said earlier as a fact.

inam said:

Didn't think you will be able to provide any thing, above post is all irrelevant to what you said earlier as a fact.

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You quoted a section of my post that starts with:



Fast forward to late next year..........



You want me to quote a link for this? I have to assume that you just didn't understand because surely you can't be asking me to link to an article that will be written in the future about a future event that could only be based on my opinion because it is a future event.



No I can't give you the winning numbers for next Saturdays lottery!