Sepang Malaysia Test Thread

[Mental Anarchist]

Great post mental anarchist. I couldn't have said any better.



Two tests and they are further behind than when they started.

Thank you for actually reading and understanding my post.

 

[samee293]

Casey

Stoner is in the

groove. His 2nd lap

is a 1.59.665. Track is

cool at this time of

day but he's tearing

up this place

 

[jazkat]

man id love to be there to have seen him clock that one

 

[samee293]

Pedrosa now in the

59s. he's done a

1.59.803. 0.138s

behind Casey.



(Copy/paste from twitter/birtymotogp)

 

[esco]

Isn't it interesting that the greatest bike developer the world has ever seen is still trying to get his position on the bike right. That's right after 7 days or 6 due to his tummy ache and 300 or so laps they are still playing with body position.



Well I call a massive ........ on that one.



After 7 .... oh sorry 6 days due to a tummy ache he hasn't tried any of the new parts that the smallest factory in MotoGP worked right through Christmas to produce and the test team spent many days testing.



Well I call a MASSIVE ........ on that one too.



In my opinion what we are really seeing is that the great developer has no idea what to do with a bike that has fundamental flaws to make it better. I also think that there has been a huge backlash against Ducati for suggesting a change of the DNA of the bike is required or will happen so that "Rossi can be Rossi". This is why they are using terms like "Ducati Settings".



Didn't we hear right from the outset when Rossi signed that he was signed because he is a great developer? Well they paid $15 mill euro for that skill. They didn't pay that to get some one who could just win on it as they already had that for far less money. So to sell us the ........ that in 7 days (sorry 6) that they have not tried any new parts is down right rude and insulting. Some of you fanboi's may want to drink that koolaid but I would rather eat .....



Now lets look at one small additional point. Where are all the other Ducati's? After all, the great developer was going to turn the bike into something that everybody could ride. Looks to me like they are all languishing at the back of the grid. The great developer has even managed to wash off any speed Hayden had and the speed that DePuniet displayed at the first test.



Now the koolaid drinkers will say that he has only had 7 (sorry 6) days and it takes time. Well he is the greatest and they did publicly suggest that they could do it in a very short time frame. Next they will say when Rossi goes faster, which I believe he will as he will ride around the problems (mmm sounds familar), yet the other Ducati riders languish at the back, that it is not Rossi's job to develop the bike for others!!!

Well you seem to know what really is going on in the ducati tent. You Don't Like r

Rossi and crew much huh? Tell us whats happening in lorenzos garage too?

 

[samee293]

Rossi is 11th with a

2.01.469





(copy/paste from twitter/birtymotogp)

 

[michaelm]

I don't dislike Rossi at all. I dislike his fans that make him into something that he can't live up to. He is just a man who is very good at his trade. He is not super human.



I also don't like the way Ducati have handled the Rossi signing putting him at the centre of the universe when all of their previous riders have been quite capable of giving them the feedback they needed to fix the bike.



I am also very disappointed with JB as I have held him in very high regard but his politics and disrespect of other riders who have ridden the Ducati with their hands tied behind their backs due to a manufacturer who has failed to react to their feedback has been a real let down.



I think my post reflects all of these points rather than being a straight out attack on Rossi himself. I also think that my post mainly reflects my opinion that Ducati are feeding the fans a big dose of ........ about what is really going on.



My second last paragraph is probably a direct attack on Rossi. My references to his tummy ache is a stab at his fans who denigrated Stoner for his own mystery illness.

Most of your sentiments I have shared, and sometimes expressed in the past. But truism though it be, valentino actually is a great rider with a great record, and I feel the pendulum on this forum has switched to excessive rossi bashing to the detriment of the forum, regardless of unfair criticism of stoner in the past, and also prematurely as stoner has not won a race in 2011 yet let alone a championship.

 

[Geonerd]

Casey

Stoner is in the

groove. His 2nd lap

is a 1.59.665. Track is

cool at this time of

day but he's tearing

up this place

2nd lap of the DAY??

"FAAAAAHCK!!!!"





How the hell do you get up to that level of speed with essentially zero warm-up? As a marginally accomplished sim-racer, I know it takes me several laps for my brain to catch up with the car. To go out cold and nail each corner (as he must have) is almost beyond belief.

 

[Geonerd]

Day 3. Early times, as of 11am.



1 Stoner 1:59.665

2 Super Midget +0.138

3 Hairball +0.498

4 Dovi +0.876

5 PieMan +1.013

6 Edwards +1.301

7 Lorenzo +1.338

8 Bautista +1.529

9 Barbera +1.681

10 Aoyama +1.687

11 Rossi +1.804

12 Capirossi +1.828

13 Hayden +1.902

14 dePuniet +2.721

15 Elias +2.745

16 Abraham +2.882

17 Crutchlow +3.092

 

[dwoodhouse]

Isn't it interesting that the greatest bike developer the world has ever seen is still trying to get his position on the bike right. That's right after 7 days or 6 due to his tummy ache and 300 or so laps they are still playing with body position.



Well I call a massive ........ on that one.



After 7 .... oh sorry 6 days due to a tummy ache he hasn't tried any of the new parts that the smallest factory in MotoGP worked right through Christmas to produce and the test team spent many days testing.



Well I call a MASSIVE ........ on that one too.



In my opinion what we are really seeing is that the great developer has no idea what to do with a bike that has fundamental flaws to make it better. I also think that there has been a huge backlash against Ducati for suggesting a change of the DNA of the bike is required or will happen so that "Rossi can be Rossi". This is why they are using terms like "Ducati Settings".



Didn't we hear right from the outset when Rossi signed that he was signed because he is a great developer? Well they paid $15 mill euro for that skill. They didn't pay that to get some one who could just win on it as they already had that for far less money. So to sell us the ........ that in 7 days (sorry 6) that they have not tried any new parts is down right rude and insulting. Some of you fanboi's may want to drink that koolaid but I would rather eat .....



Now lets look at one small additional point. Where are all the other Ducati's? After all, the great developer was going to turn the bike into something that everybody could ride. Looks to me like they are all languishing at the back of the grid. The great developer has even managed to wash off any speed Hayden had and the speed that DePuniet displayed at the first test.



Now the koolaid drinkers will say that he has only had 7 (sorry 6) days and it takes time. Well he is the greatest and they did publicly suggest that they could do it in a very short time frame. Next they will say when Rossi goes faster, which I believe he will as he will ride around the problems (mmm sounds familar), yet the other Ducati riders languish at the back, that it is not Rossi's job to develop the bike for others!!!

I'm afraid I don't know the Ducati team personnel myself and what's going on in each of the tests so I can't say that you are wrong. I don't have the evidence that you seem to have that has made you so worked up about it all. I'm making an effort to not abuse the crap out of Stoner like I did when I first started posting but it appears that you have taken up from where I left off with abuse of Rossi, his fans, JB and the Ducati team.



My point is that Ducati have made a statement, JB has made comments, Valentino has made comments - why are you convinced they are all rubbish? We can safely assume that we aren't told 80% of it but that doesn't mean that what we are told is a bunch of lies.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

Spot on Mental Man. The Dukawii is and has always been a flaming pile of ..... This is the reason I put it in my sig that Dukawi will not podium in 2011. Honda and Yam are down to figuring out what color to pinstripe while the Duk is still in mama's belly.



Anyone else note the amount of crying newbiie boppers that have appeared on this thread. WTF? When did PS become Rossis hankerchief

 

[renjith_varma]

Isn't it interesting that the greatest bike developer the world has ever seen is still trying to get his position on the bike right. That's right after 7 days or 6 due to his tummy ache and 300 or so laps they are still playing with body position.



Well I call a massive ........ on that one.



After 7 .... oh sorry 6 days due to a tummy ache he hasn't tried any of the new parts that the smallest factory in MotoGP worked right through Christmas to produce and the test team spent many days testing.



Well I call a MASSIVE ........ on that one too.



In my opinion what we are really seeing is that the great developer has no idea what to do with a bike that has fundamental flaws to make it better. I also think that there has been a huge backlash against Ducati for suggesting a change of the DNA of the bike is required or will happen so that "Rossi can be Rossi". This is why they are using terms like "Ducati Settings".



Didn't we hear right from the outset when Rossi signed that he was signed because he is a great developer? Well they paid $15 mill euro for that skill. They didn't pay that to get some one who could just win on it as they already had that for far less money. So to sell us the ........ that in 7 days (sorry 6) that they have not tried any new parts is down right rude and insulting. Some of you fanboi's may want to drink that koolaid but I would rather eat .....



Now lets look at one small additional point. Where are all the other Ducati's? After all, the great developer was going to turn the bike into something that everybody could ride. Looks to me like they are all languishing at the back of the grid. The great developer has even managed to wash off any speed Hayden had and the speed that DePuniet displayed at the first test.



Now the koolaid drinkers will say that he has only had 7 (sorry 6) days and it takes time. Well he is the greatest and they did publicly suggest that they could do it in a very short time frame. Next they will say when Rossi goes faster, which I believe he will as he will ride around the problems (mmm sounds familar), yet the other Ducati riders languish at the back, that it is not Rossi's job to develop the bike for others!!!

Just for the record, why dont you tell us

1. what do you think of rossi as a rider (compared to lorenzo, spies & stoner)

2. what do you think of rossi as a developer

3. Your opinion on how will rossi fare in 2011

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Just for the record, why dont you tell us

1. what do you think of rossi as a rider (compared to lorenzo, spies & stoner) I think Rossi is the best rider of his generation. He was definitely better than Lorenzo, Spies and Pedrosa. I don't think he is better than Stoner as I think Stoner is a freak. I do think that Rossi is a more complete MotoGP rider than Stoner but as far as shear talent on a racing bike I think Stoner is unmatched. I also thin that although Rossi was better than these guys perhaps will ever be I do not think he is better now as his career is on the downward curve. I still think he can win races but unless he has a definite mechanical or political advantage I don't think he can beat these new young hungry guys.

2. what do you think of rossi as a developer. I think Rossi is the same as any other rider in the manner that he does not develop anything. He provides feedback to engineers who then develop the bike. Now if you ask me what do I think of the feedback that Rossi gives I would say that from all reports it is comprehensive and insightful.

3. Your opinion on how will rossi fare in 2011 I think he will win 1 or 2 races and get a couple of podiums.

 

[Talpa]

Rossi currently only half a second off JL.......Hardly slow? Or not progressing.

 

[slev7n]

IMO ... the reason of why rossi hasn't touch the so called flex package is simply because he is a great developer , there's no point on changing parts of the bike when he has not been able to really get the current bike at the limit , once he gets a good setup on stoner's bike then he can really start developing his own

 

[dwoodhouse]

IMO ... the reason of why rossi hasn't touch the so called flex package is simply because he is a great developer , there's no point on changing parts of the bike when he has not been able to really get the current bike at the limit , once he gets a good setup on stoner's bike then he can really start developing his own

Exactly right. Solve problems in a methodical way rather than try and shoot the whole lot in one session. If he gets his positioning and balance as perfectly as he can, he can build from that base line and understand exactly what impact each subsequent change/new part makes.

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Rossi currently only half a second off JL.......Hardly slow? Or not progressing.

Yes but nearly 2 seconds off where the pace is at so if you are going to make a comparison do it with some legitimacy.

 

[michaelm]

IMO ... the reason of why rossi hasn't touch the so called flex package is simply because he is a great developer , there's no point on changing parts of the bike when he has not been able to really get the current bike at the limit , once he gets a good setup on stoner's bike then he can really start developing his own

What you say is not unreasonable, it would seem wise to explore the limits of stoner's old settings if he has hitherto been precluded from doing so by injury, given that these settings were good enough to win the occasional race in stoner's hands. With the limited amount of testing available these days you would think he needs to try his developments fairly soon though; if he can already be confident they are good that would be extraordinary, but not impossible based on his history I guess.

 

[Andy Roo]

I'm afraid I don't know the Ducati team personnel myself and what's going on in each of the tests so I can't say that you are wrong. I don't have the evidence that you seem to have that has made you so worked up about it all. I'm making an effort to not abuse the crap out of Stoner like I did when I first started posting but it appears that you have taken up from where I left off with abuse of Rossi, his fans, JB and the Ducati team.



My point is that Ducati have made a statement, JB has made comments, Valentino has made comments - why are you convinced they are all rubbish? We can safely assume that we aren't told 80% of it but that doesn't mean that what we are told is a bunch of lies.

Reading between the lines.



1. They had to make a statement

2. The bike has always been flawed (look at Stoner -v- all other riders on it)

3. To me, the "riding around" issue is the telltale - (IMO and not "literally") Rossi is in the garage watching video's of Casey right now watching what he did to ride around it.

4. I would assume that Rossi has the same electronics package that Casey has, if not better... (okay that's facetious)



If you were Ducati or Rossi at the moment and you were in the hot seat right now what would you say. Place yourself as Rossi or JB or Ducati management and tell me what on earth that missing 80% is. Take free license and speculate.



Apropos the missing 80% (the bike actually)- what's the bet when Rossi gets up to speed he starts washing the front end out?

 

[Nuts]

Crutchlow ????

Really thought this guy would go OK.