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Reading between the lines.



1. They had to make a statement

2. The bike has always been flawed (look at Stoner -v- all other riders on it)

3. To me, the "riding around" issue is the telltale - (IMO and not "literally") Rossi is in the garage watching video's of Casey right now watching what he did to ride around it.

4. I would assume that Rossi has the same electronics package that Casey has, if not better... (okay that's facetious)



If you were Ducati or Rossi at the moment and you were in the hot seat right now what would you say. Place yourself as Rossi or JB or Ducati management and tell me what on earth that missing 80% is. Take free license and speculate.



Apropos the missing 80% (the bike actually)- what's the bet when Rossi gets up to speed he starts washing the front end out?



1. Yes you are right but there is no reason for them to lie and say the parts haven't been tried at all.

2. I agree once more.

3. Rossi is learning how to get the most out of the bike and learning from the one person who has excelled on it. That's what I'd like to see if the Ducati is inherently flawed and non-fixable. Rossi has to get up to speed and I remember hearing years ago that he used to have people videoing at tracks to understand what his rivals were doing and how he could improve. That says that he is human, knows when he doesn't know something/can't do something but also is dedicated enough to do something about it so that he can. That's why he got where he did - he is willing to be a student when he needs to.

When you say "telltale", what do you mean? He is trying to get the most out of the bike as it is. I don't think this is indicative of a last resort.

Incidentally, I haven't seen Rossi watching Casey videos in his garage - is this on a feed somewhere?

4. I would say the electronics package on the bike is improving as they did order some new anti-wheelie stuff and something else which I can't remember.
 
What you say is not unreasonable, it would seem wise to explore the limits of stoner's old settings if he has hitherto been precluded from doing so by injury, given that these settings were good enough to win the occasional race in stoner's hands. With the limited amount of testing available these days you would think he needs to try his developments fairly soon though; if he can already be confident they are good that would be extraordinary, but not impossible based on his history I guess.



Perhaps if you assimilate all the information we have been fed since Rossi first got on the Duc, you will realise ...... Stoners settings don't exist anymore. They added/adjusted much of the software for Rossi from day 1 ......... so with new algorithms etc. in there ...... how can they possibly be using Stoners settings for something he never had
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Mental, dont kowtow. Ur post was sharp but insightful. Ducati wer infact hard at work testing and comming up with new solution, so to say little or none was tested is a bit far fetched. Not sure what peeps hav issue with except it annoys some peeps to read straight talk.



Michael, the Yellow Army is still alive and kicking. Also, the harvest simply has been abondant, as the sowed a shitstorm fir several years. Ive been saying Rossi is as good as most, not particularly legend, but rather best .... witj best situation, combined with great rider made everybody believe him to be divine. Something Ducati sofar has proved my suspicion. Just as i once said, put Rossi on Suzuki or Kawi and lets see how great thou art. Its bad enuf that a sector of his fanbase r rabbid, but les u forget not a season to far ago he was disgruntled with what was by all accounts simply fair treatment by Yamaha toward his teammate. Why i must remind u of recent episodes? Bcuz u took issue with what u describe as a shift on PS. Truth b told, nonthing we discuss racing realated is of import or consequence. But i can assure u, one podium or race win will see a Yellow wave enuf to drown us all out.
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Yes but nearly 2 seconds off where the pace is at so if you are going to make a comparison do it with some legitimacy.





feel free to continue to make a .... of yourself here today it is amusing.....I'd prefer to wait for the long run analysis comparison before talking up legitimacy.....and BTW



ITS A TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Anyone would think the title is on the line, I guess you boners continue to prove how what little you've had to cheer about in the past few years has affected your 'Mental' state......
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ITS A TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Well Duh!



and just like this test is practice for the season ...... so are we fans just practicing!



Just wait til the season starts
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but in all seriousness ....... try denying that this is the worst we have ever seen Rossi?



I've said it before ..... he's the new Melandri.



He hasn't even finished testing and the Duc has already made him sick
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Mental, dont kowtow. Ur post was sharp but insightful. Ducati wer infact hard at work testing and comming up with new solution, so to say little or none was tested is a bit far fetched. Not sure what peeps hav issue with except it annoys some peeps to read straight talk.



Michael, the Yellow Army is still alive and kicking. Also, the harvest simply has been abondant, as the sowed a shitstorm fir several years. Ive been saying Rossi is as good as most, not particularly legend, but rather best .... witj best situation, combined with great rider made everybody believe him to be divine. Something Ducati sofar has proved my suspicion. Just as i once said, put Rossi on Suzuki or Kawi and lets see how great thou art. Its bad enuf that a sector of his fanbase r rabbid, but les u forget not a season to far ago he was disgruntled with what was by all accounts simply fair treatment by Yamaha toward his teammate. Why i must remind u of recent episodes? Bcuz u took issue with what u describe as a shift on PS. Truth b told, nonthing we discuss racing realated is of import or consequence. But i can assure u, one podium or race win will see a Yellow wave enuf to drown us all out.
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I wonder how Nicky would go on a Kawa or a Suzook, or Casey, or Dani-Jorge Maybe?



You continue to make less sense and your point is completely invalid, especially with the statement that King Boner's post had anything to do with insight.....
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the laughs just keep coming today....
 
Well Duh!



and just like this test is practice for the season ...... so are we fans just practicing!



Just wait til the season starts
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but in all seriousness ....... try denying that this is the worst we have ever seen Rossi?



I've said it before ..... he's the new Melandri.



He hasn't even finished testing and the Duc has already made him sick
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Not at all, VR has gone from a consistent 15th at Valencia to a consistent 5-6th-7th average on long runs...Half the field in two tests, and now ahead of his teammate not too bad IMO- and hardly Melandri-esk......It's a bit silly to say they won't find the extra tenths with current progress......
 
Not at all, VR has gone from a consistent 15th at Valencia to a consistent 5-6th-7th average on long runs...Half the field in two tests, and now ahead of his teammate not too bad IMO- and hardly Melandri-esk......It's a bit silly to say they won't find the extra tenths with current progress......







What color kool-aid you drinking? Red or Yellow????
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Mental, dont kowtow. Ur post was sharp but insightful. Ducati wer infact hard at work testing and comming up with new solution, so to say little or none was tested is a bit far fetched. Not sure what peeps hav issue with except it annoys some peeps to read straight talk.



Michael, the Yellow Army is still alive and kicking. Also, the harvest simply has been abondant, as the sowed a shitstorm fir several years. Ive been saying Rossi is as good as most, not particularly legend, but rather best .... witj best situation, combined with great rider made everybody believe him to be divine. Something Ducati sofar has proved my suspicion. Just as i once said, put Rossi on Suzuki or Kawi and lets see how great thou art. Its bad enuf that a sector of his fanbase r rabbid, but les u forget not a season to far ago he was disgruntled with what was by all accounts simply fair treatment by Yamaha toward his teammate. Why i must remind u of recent episodes? Bcuz u took issue with what u describe as a shift on PS. Truth b told, nonthing we discuss racing realated is of import or consequence. But i can assure u, one podium or race win will see a Yellow wave enuf to drown us all out.
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I agree with you on Rossi's capabillity.Fantastic rider,but a big reason to him being a legend is the people around him and the effort by them. Sometimes though,when needed he seems to "find half a second on raceday"like the famous Laguna seca corcscrew-pass-race,and many others.Maybe that's when he starts to ride around current problems just as well as Casey Stoner is (was on the Ducati) used to do all the time.



I'm like a few others kind of suspicious to the unclear information what Ducati has tested or not,and that Hayden is struggeling so bad,and that every Ducatirider is just a few thousands of a second slower than Rossi.

I would really liked to look at partial times to make up the ideal laptime for Hayden.Maybe he's alot faster than what shows.



They have alot of new stuff to try including electronics (new anti wheelie system i think) and perhaps new system all together more like the one they used on the Yamaha.

If that is the case I'm not surprised by the slow start from all Ducatiriders though.On the other hand they all keep talking about frontend trouble,so i don't know.
 
If you took off your blinkers Talpa you might see it is not just a few tenths they are chasing. I hope they sort it as I want to see the Ducati's and Rossi fight at the front. As to long runs, I suspect that if Casey does one today it will be consistently fast. History shows when he is on song he is as regular as a metronome.
 
If you took off your blinkers Talpa you might see it is not just a few tenths they are chasing. I hope they sort it as I want to see the Ducati's and Rossi fight at the front. As to long runs, I suspect that if Casey does one today it will be consistently fast. History shows when he is on song he is as regular as a metronome.



And just as monotonous.
 
Honda admits a technical secret



The Honda is very strong and already entries have been created using new techniques to the limit of regularity. For this reason, this morning, the vice president of the HRC, Shuei Nakamoto , decided to meet with journalists and clarity.



"Obviously, the HRC does not use anything prohibited - said the Japanese manager - but it is true that we have something new on the transmission at the moment ... lets you change the fastest. This is not a DCT, however, not I can tell you how it works ... because I do not know, " he concluded Nakamoto kidding.



The hunt is now open More



CLUTCHGATE


 
Stoner

did a long run of 14-

laps earlier. Best was

a 2.00.887. Only two

laps over 2.01.6!!!

Seriously impressive

stuff
 
Michael, the Yellow Army is still alive and kicking. Also, the harvest simply has been abondant, as the sowed a shitstorm fir several years. Ive been saying Rossi is as good as most, not particularly legend, but rather best .... witj best situation, combined with great rider made everybody believe him to be divine. Something Ducati sofar has proved my suspicion. Just as i once said, put Rossi on Suzuki or Kawi and lets see how great thou art. Its bad enuf that a sector of his fanbase r rabbid, but les u forget not a season to far ago he was disgruntled with what was by all accounts simply fair treatment by Yamaha toward his teammate. Why i must remind u of recent episodes? Bcuz u took issue with what u describe as a shift on PS. Truth b told, nonthing we discuss racing realated is of import or consequence. But i can assure u, one podium or race win will see a Yellow wave enuf to drown us all out.
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I will summarise my position for you jumkie.



Bad karma. Invite not. Particularly in advance of actual success.
 
I'm like a few others kind of suspicious to the unclear information what Ducati has tested or not,and that Hayden is struggeling so bad,and that every Ducatirider is just a few thousands of a second slower than Rossi.

I would really liked to look at partial times to make up the ideal laptime for Hayden.Maybe he's alot faster than what shows.



They have alot of new stuff to try including electronics (new anti wheelie system i think) and perhaps new system all together more like the one they used on the Yamaha.

If that is the case I'm not surprised by the slow start from all Ducatiriders though.On the other hand they all keep talking about frontend trouble,so i don't know.

Yes, casey stoner's public relations problems whilst at ducati may not have been intrinsic to him.The conflicting information during this test from the ducati camp suggests ducati have little idea themselves what they are really doing.
 
Sometimes though,when needed he seems to "find half a second on raceday"



I don't think he finds that time on his own either, the engineers will play their part. That is just the kind of thing that a truly top team is capable of.
 
MotoGP Sepang Test2 End Of Day 3





1 Stoner C. Repsol Honda Team 1:59.665

2 Pedrosa D. Repsol Honda Team +0.138

3 Simoncelli M. San Carlo Honda Gresi +0.498

4 Dovizioso A. Repsol Honda Team +0.876

5 Spies B. Yamaha Factory Racin +1.013

6 Edwards C. Monster Yamaha Tech +1.301

7 Lorenzo J. Yamaha Factory Racin +1.338

8 Bautista A. Rizla Suzuki MotoGP +1.529

9 Aoyama H. San Carlo Honda Gresi +1.663

10 Barbera H. Mapfre Aspar Team +1.681

11 Rossi V. Ducati Marlboro Team +1.804

12 Hayden N. Ducati Marlboro Team +1.804

13 Capirossi L. Pramac Racing Team +1.828

14 Crutchlow C. Monster Yamaha Tech +2.369

15 Puniet R. Pramac Racing Team +2.490

16 Elias T. LCR Honda MotoGP +2.745

17 T. Yamaha Test Team +2.792

18 Abraham K. Cardion AB Motoracin +2.841

19 T. Yamaha Test Team +3.351



(Copy/paste from motogp.com)
 
The Honda's and particularly Stoner and Pedrosa are flying. I thought before this test that Rossi/Ducati would close the gap quite considerably... If they dont find something at Qatar then its good night vienna, i think. Thats not to say they wont figure something out, but i think that by the time they do, it'll be too late.



Barrymachine, comparing Rossi to Melandri is like comparing a level headed fan of moto-gp to you. There are a lot of wind up merchants on this forum but i'm honestly sick of reading your ...., its extremely tiresome.
 
Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about having to 'fix' the Ducati.

The bike was pretty competative at the end of 2010, with nobody getting close to Stoner at Aragon (with Hayden in 3rd), Montegi, and Phillip Is (with Hayden 4th), and Stoner running second in the last race of the year in Valencia.

There is nothing too wrong with the Ducati, and I think they (Duc, Vale and JB) are making a mistake trying to dramatically change the bike. Stick to their roots, get back to where Stoner was at the end of 2010, and then start messing with it.

If nothing much has been changed (as we are led to believe) why are all the Duk's so much slower. Valentino may not be fully fit, but Nicky ???
 

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