Sachsenring GP Race Discussion

rossiofsky said:

Rossi and Stoner have acted better by avoiding a contact or accident.



and yes this is the last corner pass, which here at the first seconds we see another angle, but when it shows it from another angle, we see it's Giber who rides in Rossi, and all the story is been that if Rossi hadn't gone wide, he would have made a contact with Casey.

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I think sete did leave a gap, after looking at the multiple replays anyway.

xx CURVE xx said:

Dude .... them dont sweat it!.. Half are Haters plain and simple the other half are noobs to the sport.. 07 i'd bet

I myself love Rossi he's the ....... GOAT. Period... anyone that doesn't have fuel on the brain KNOWS IT.. The Doc has been my rider for years...But I have had favorite riders before and i will after Rossi. I and all of YOU are fortuitous and blessed to have seen this mother ...... ride and race. just remember that.



When Rossi leaves Ben is my rider less he pisses me off and keeps his ....... Mom around

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Well put brother.

inam said:

but let me tell you one thing that end result would have been same in Casey's move on Rossi, if Rossi would have kept his line.

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Actually no. I have a more open mind concerning the gibernau pass than I had at the time; to be fair as has been said the 2 different camera angles seem to tell different stories. But replaying a few more times, I can see where rossi may have ended some distance laterally across the track if he had held his line at the sachsenring, but no way that stoner would have ended up on the other side of the track.

The only difference is that once again Stoner was in control, whereas in the R/G pass Rossi was not. But thats Rossi and thats racing. If you go out on a track you expect any pass to be somewhat obstructed.

I saw no deliberate moves to make anyone crash there so allwas fine.

BarryMachine said:

The only difference is that once again Stoner was in control, whereas in the R/G pass Rossi was not.



I saw no deliberate moves to make anyone crash there so allwas fine.

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Your first statement was actually the point I was making, in partial agreement with povol. Stoner was on a totally legitimate racing line which culminated in his fastest lap of the race, and if the laws of physics haven't changed in the decades since I studied physics any contact he had with valentino can only have slowed him down, if only minutely. As povol says in the gibernau pass I don't think there is any way rossi makes that corner at that speed on anything like the racing line, and he may have ended up in the dirt on the other side of the track himself in gibernau's absence, unless sitting up at the last moment drastically alters the vectors involved, concerning which you very likely are more qualified to comment than I am. Whether stoner at the sachsenring whilst on a legitimate line himself actually took rossi's line is another question.



I agree with your second statement , and this was the case at the corkscrew in 2008 also, which is not the same thing as saying that neither gibernau nor stoner had any right to be somewhat pissed off.

BarryMachine said:

The only difference is that once again Stoner was in control, whereas in the R/G pass Rossi was not. But thats Rossi and thats racing. If you go out on a track you expect any pass to be somewhat obstructed.

I saw no deliberate moves to make anyone crash there so allwas fine.

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I disagree that Rossi was out of control. Anytime a rider shoot the bike up the inside of someone there is a level of risk, that he will take another rider out if his calculations are off, or a magnitude of other reasons. If the rider being overtake tries to close the corner after the move was committed to, he better prepare to take a peg to the leg.

Talpa said:

Well actually this isn't funny at all anymore, it seems as though if anyone even mentions Rossi in a positive way here anymore, he/she is labeled a bopper. Funny thing is the ones labeling haven't got any reasonable argument to rebut.

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If the shoe fits.....etc. You are one of a few Boppers in every true sense of the word here. Notice its you and about 2-3 others that are insane when it comes to your Rossi takes. There are plenty of normal non-worshiping Rossi fans here that don't get .... or called on their mindless worship--you are NOT one of them.

Povol if you can't see similarities in the two passes then I suggest you should stay on that boat in your avatar in far calmer slower/waters, for your hatred of Rossi and his fans is now bordering on Paranoid Schizophrenia, just like Jum, this manifestation, which no doubt had its origins in 2006, has removed your opinion from the realms of reality. Hating someone who is so successful-and worse hating people who like him must make you a very unhappy and frustrated person, like others here. Jum now even is resorting to Black Magic-Editing his posts in an inept attempt and ridicule anyone mentioning anything good about Rossi, not to mention his failure to call out anyone who opposes Rossi supporters, who more often than not are being far more ridiculous. Very sad.

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Did you notice Curve on this very thread edited his post? So is he using "black magic"? I edited precisely to make a joke on you (but I've notice you ad inam have zero ability to detect wit). Oh, and let me clear it up for you; you do not mention "good" things about Rossi you WORSHIP Rossi, that is the big difference! I know you can't possibly understand the nuance in the difference, but its what separates you from normal Rossi fans.

The saddest thing is, Rossi has the runs on the board-and always will. And the only arguments VR haters/VR fan haters here have are untenable lame conspiracy theories for his phenomenal success in the past, theories which are constantly being thwarted by the mans performances more recently. Thus they resort to the same old 'Bopper' routine.

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Here is why I call you Boppers on perception of reality and understanding of the sport. If somebody other than Rossi was enjoying certain well documented advantages, you'd be screaming hell and highwater. The best defense you guys have ever proposed is 'he deserves it because he's so popular' or 'its not in a press report so it must not be true'. Dig you head out of the sand naive kid.

Of course the man is not perfect, and being a fan, VR has made some bad calls which have disappointed me. The recent comment on 'Not wanting Casey to cry again' was unnecessary and inflammatory. Even though its true as Stoner did have a major cry the last time he got ruffed up it wasn't needed and no doubt was a small case of sour grapes after the race. This certainly doesn't excuse Stoners reactions-especially in his particular PR situation.

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Typical Bopper speak, you tell us how Rossi made inflammatory comments but then say Casey deserved it. And you call me a hater? Hahaha. I'm a Rossi fan, he's not my favorite, but I don't go sucking his .... coupled with talking .... about his his rivals.

So lets see if the boys from the Rossi Hater stand can go through a week without calling someone a bopper. Bets anyone??

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No, the real challenge is, can a Bopper like you get off Rossi's jock for a week?

I see your back at it again Mr Garrison (Jumkie).



How do you like your nickname Mr Garrison? how do like to be called a name (which say a lot about you).



why "Mr Garrison"?



1. Your in constant denial with your true feelings. (by hiding who you like/dislike)

2. you like to play the teacher.

3. because your worth it.



and by the way who are normal Rossi fans again Mr Garrison?

Jumkie said:

Typical Bopper speak, you tell us how Rossi made inflammatory comments but then say Casey deserved it. And you call me a hater? Hahaha. I'm a Rossi fan, he's not my favorite, but I don't go sucking his .... coupled with talking .... about his his rivals.

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We all know ....... that you are not a multi talented by any means and thats why you can't suck Rossi .... while you are busy sucking Casey's ....



Edit: by the way same .... different day from .......

xx CURVE xx said:

Dude .... them dont sweat it!.. Half are Haters plain and simple the other half are noobs to the sport.. 07 i'd bet

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Hahahaha nice bro. Yawn.... Let me see, "haters" eh? Okay... Where have I heard this before? : cries, whines, can't ride injured, fakes injury, talks ...., temper tantrums, airs out laundry, he'd be nowhere without his electronics, etc. Who am I talking about? Funny thing about hate, its not hating when we are talking about the other guy, eh? Funny thing is, with the exception of "faking an injury" (since a x-ray is undeniable proof) the REALITY is, we can attribute many of the charges above to Rossi. Talpa tried to make some spirited appeal and you fell for it. The dude is not honest, and not even well informed for that matter. Can you separate the Boppers from regular fans? Let me help you, Talpa=Bopper. inam=Bopper but dumber than Talpa. Rossiofsky=Bopper and close to brain dead. For the most part, Rossi fans like any other fans of riders go relatively unbothered around here, only those with insane takes get called on the carpet.

I myself love Rossi he's the ....... GOAT. Period... anyone that doesn't have fuel on the brain KNOWS IT.. The Doc has been my rider for years...But I have had favorite riders before and i will after Rossi. I and all of YOU are fortuitous and blessed to have seen this mother ...... ride and race. just remember that.

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Brotha, We all have favorite riders. Its not hard to admire Rossi's talent. Whether he's the GOAT is debatable (Rainey, Doohan, Hailwood, Roberts, Ago). My thing is, why must Rossi admiration be coupled with detraction of rivals? This seems to be a unique phenomena for Rossi fans. Biaggi, Gibbers, (Hayden at one time), and currently, Stoner, all have been intensely vilified, and for ........ reasons. This has made a certain sector of Rossi fans to become known as boppers. We've had rivalries before in MotoGP, but the admiration for one side has never been coupled with the outright hate for the other, as has been seen with Rossi.

When Rossi leaves Ben is my rider less he pisses me off and keeps his ....... Mom around

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What do you have against mom's?









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woody996 said:

Yes we won't ever have known how wide Gibernau would have really ended up taking an alternate line but I think the biggest factor in running Gibernau off the track was that when Gibernau rode into the side of Rossi (maybe he didn't see him, I don't know), Rossi sat up for a split second before trying to pull it round. This automatically pushed them both wide.



I wonder what would have happened if Rossi hadn't changed his line against Stoner? Would it replicate the Gibernau/Rossi episode

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as i said in my first reply to Jerez video, we see Rossi has taken his left foot off the bike and is taking the corner, i dont think he would have done that if he had planed to run Giber off track. Maybe Giber has touched him accidentally, and Rossi got mad and did what he did.

Rossiofsky=Bopper and close to brain dead. For the most part, Rossi fans like any other fans of riders go relatively unbothered around here, only those with insane takes get called on the carpet.

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Thanks a lot Mr Garrison.

what was that what? for the records what??

Oh Jum-as you say 'keep digging yourself in'



4 'Boppers' just in one post, remarkably similar to all previous, benine retorts on me, farck I should have put money on you!! And your 'Edit post' was a direct attempt to make yourself look like the forum messiah-which in itself is a little funny-but mostly disturbing.



Thank you for once again reiterating my point............one day you may actually add 'validity' to your argument instead of continuing on that same old deluded 'b' word road.



Enjoy the weekend-try not to call too many people 'Bopper'.

Talpa said:

Oh Jum-as you say 'keep digging yourself in'



4 'Boppers' just in one post, remarkably similar to all previous, benine retorts on me, farck I should have put money on you!! And your 'Edit post' was a direct attempt to make yourself look like the forum messiah-which in itself is a little funny-but mostly disturbing.



Thank you for once again reiterating my point............one day you may actually add 'validity' to your argument instead of continuing on that same old deluded 'b' word road.



Enjoy the weekend-try not to call too many people 'Bopper'.

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man, I,m glad i,v been officially called a bopper, since everytime he called a few Boppers on the carpet (tipical of a teacher like Mr Garrison), i knew for him there is no Normal Rossi fans and as he has pointed a lot of times, Rossi fans are Crazy, and he isn't. now i asked him to name a few of those Normal ones, because i know he will name them a Bopper, or Crazy or whatever in a while.



He's constantly denying his true feelings. and hereby I Officially call him Mr Garrison. His Mr Hat and his Mr slave are also arround.

Jumkies pullin` your chain fools,makes me laugh watching you all bite back.Did you not read his post on how he likes to wind you boppers up,its priceless! Puts a smile on my face regularly.

DRILL said:

Jumkies pullin` your chain fools,makes me laugh watching you all bite back.Did you not read his post on how he likes to wind you boppers up,its priceless! Puts a smile on my face regularly.

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They are so desperate to defend the cause, aren't they!

DRILL said:

Jumkies pullin` your chain fools,makes me laugh watching you all bite back.Did you not read his post on how he likes to wind you boppers up,its priceless! Puts a smile on my face regularly.

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Yes we know what Mr Garrison is capable of, you didn't spend too much time to bite ieder Mr Hat.

povol said:

They are so desperate to defend the cause, aren't they!

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Keep rubbing Mr Garrison you Mr Slave:toot:

It didn't take too long to get you all together. the only one not showing yet is the honorable Mr Twig.

rossiofsky said:

Yes we know what Mr Garrison is capable of, you didn't spend too much time to bite ieder Mr Hat.

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I`m still laughing chap and made of rubber.