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Jumkie said:
I don't think it had anything to do with the lack of melalin in your skin as it did when you took your fifth shot of Jameson. At that point you went all paie.

Edit to add: hence being called "light" weight.
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oh shut the .... up you straight edge vegan.
 
Jumkie said:
Because Dorna would be yanking their own contract I suspect.

I'd venture to say it's all a bit complicated. But im thinking there is an illusion of money to be made. It may not make sense to us looking from afar, but it makes cents for someone. FIFA style.
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See, Jum, if you stopped with all the ....... race fixing conspiracy ........ and actually followed the money, you would have a point. You get it.

The CoW will continue with the contract until either the circuit is built (ha!), the HOVDC (company which owns CoW) goes bankrupt, or the contract ends. They have undertaken to organize the British Grand Prix, there is no stipulation as to where it is to be held.

I suspect it will be held at Silverstone until the end of the contract period.
 
Kropotkin said:
See, Jum, if you stopped with all the ....... race fixing conspiracy ........ and actually followed the money, you would have a point. You get it.

The CoW will continue with the contract until either the circuit is built (ha!), the HOVDC (company which owns CoW) goes bankrupt, or the contract ends. They have undertaken to organize the British Grand Prix, there is no stipulation as to where it is to be held.

I suspect it will be held at Silverstone until the end of the contract period.
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Well that's a total ....... waste.

All that effort just to continue the race at Silverstone like usual.

See Kropo, isn't it nice to converse among us?
 
Jumkie said:
Sparrows sitting next to some unidentified man with a Wales Drinking Club tshirt.
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Jumkie said:
Im half Welsh, i believe.
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THE .... YOU ARE!!!! I've told you, until you spend a summer here, much less a frickin frigid freezing ice cold rain all the time going horizontally in the driving wind winter here, you cannot even pretend to say you're Welsh!

Here's my offer: You can come visit sometime and have a few beers, or you can stop saying your half Welsh and suck my .... :)

Kropotkin said:
Even the people at the Circuit of Wales don't think the Circuit of Wales is going to be built.
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JPSLotus said:
What is the hold up exactly?

And at what point does Dorna yank the contract and redo it with either Silverstone or another circuit?
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The hold up is mainly money obviously, but also Bureaucracy. I love Wales, I'm born and bred here and when the weather is good there is almost no place better. However, Wales is not known for being pro-active, hence the famous saying "I went to Wales once, but it was shut". Where they want to build the circuit is right in the heart of one of the most economically and socially deprived areas of the country which has never recovered from the loss of coal mining. It doesn't help that people there want the earth for doing nothing.

The other major hurdle is access. The main route into Wales has a ridiculously expensive toll bridge and then a large bottleneck that barely copes with rush hour traffic let alone a large sporting event such as a GP.

As Krop says, I think it will just be at Silverstone until the contract runs out, then the BRDC will negotiate with Dorna to run it....at Silverstone.
 
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The hold up is mainly money obviously, but also Bureaucracy. I love Wales, I'm born and bred here and when the weather is good there is almost no place better. However, Wales is not known for being pro-active, hence the famous saying "I went to Wales once, but it was shut". Where they want to build the circuit is right in the heart of one of the most economically and socially deprived areas of the country which has never recovered from the loss of coal mining. It doesn't help that people there want the earth for doing nothing.

The other major hurdle is access. The main route into Wales has a ridiculously expensive toll bridge and then a large bottleneck that barely copes with rush hour traffic let alone a large sporting event such as a GP.

As Krop says, I think it will just be at Silverstone until the contract runs out, then the BRDC will negotiate with Dorna to run it....at Silverstone.
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Thanks buddy! Makes perfect sense.

I wish Kropo thought enough of me to actually give a reply like this.

This being in Wales the delay, or possibility of it never happening shouldn't surprise me. After all, it did take them only 30 years to actually build a memorial to Tom Pryce in Ruthin.

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Regardless this season is already a classic and a far cry from the doldrums of recent years, which is why debate is rife.

And Jums has done a good job of resuscitating this place and some good old members and a few new ones have made it worthy of visitation again.

Krops will hang around, he loves it like Barry likes his pet goat-a good chance he'll get kicked in the balls but well worth it satisfying the fetish!
 
Today's contributions and exchanges on Poserslide were stuff of legends. Well done gang bangers.

Special shout out to Kropo, hope you grace us with your presence regularly. If for nothing else to insult us, God knows we deserve it.


(Kesh, please don't go postal on me for expressing my gratitude and approval to the independent minded members here. I'm not a leader, I'm just a squirter trying to piss on you...oops, I meant take the piss.)
 
J4rn0 said:
We'll never see the telemetry, but maybe there is something we can understand looking at when MM93's crash happened.

In fact he crashed when, after a few fast laps, Rossi visibly slowed down -- it seemed he wanted to let Marc in front, but MM93 didn't want to -- so he also had to slow down. The rear tire of his Honda of course cooled down a bit in the process, and maybe he lost that little bit of concentration. Then maybe engine braking or whatever did the rest, but as a secondary cause to a loss of tire temperature.

It's all a conjecture of course, but it's a possible explanation. When the tires have trouble staying at the proper temperature, slowing down can be more dangerous than going fast. It's a difficult balance, -- especially when your speed is dictated by the rider in front. Rossi managed to solve the wet setup equation best, as was apparent already during warmup, and so he won. Petrucci (also announced at warmup) was on the old Ducati that notoriously has a lot of rear traction (too much on the dry, but just perfect on the wet), he used that characteristic well, and arrived second.
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Sorry J, the 'cooling tyre' theory don't hold water. No where near out of the wet's operating range, nor even a difference from earlier laps, nor even close to the 2:20:68 that Rossi ran without difficulty on lap 13... Pedders circulated the entire race at the 'slower' speed... absolutely no-one was complaining about grip other than related to the conditions.
 
Mick D said:
Sorry J, the 'cooling tyre' theory don't hold water. No where near out of the wet's operating range, nor even a difference from earlier laps, nor even close to the 2:20:68 that Rossi ran without difficulty on lap 13... Pedders circulated the entire race at the 'slower' speed... absolutely no-one was complaining about grip other than related to the conditions.
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Never said the tire temperature would go out of range buddy... Still the variation could matter, especially for a bike that has a tendency to float on its rear. A slight drop in speed and temperature wouldn't cause a crash by itself, but as I said a drop in temperature + a possible lapse in concentration by MM + engine brake intervening or whatever else they said. A combination of factors -- something more credible than explaining it away as MM's idiocy or clumsiness.
 
JPSLotus said:
It's not a conspiracy if it really is true Sparrows!

What Talpa said is interesting, I admit I was taking it for granted that VR would figure out a way to run nearer to the front during the race, and that it was perfectly normal.

But considering how far off the pace he has appeared in some FP sessions and even qualifying sessions, the guy magically finds nearly a half a second to a second more in the race?

That's ....... insane. I know in the normal world most people would say what is half a second? But in racing terms, I'm always amazed by how half a second feels like a minute and a second is more like an eternity.

I will admit here that I am enjoying seeing what VR will do in the races in spite of dislike for him. It's had the feeling of a giant game, and he somehow managed to reduce MM to a fast, but psychologically frail rider who cracks under pressure. I started wondering if VR had more pace in the rain than what we saw at Silverstone, but he was setting a particular pace so as to lull MM into imagining overtaking spots where in fact there really were none. Then when MM crashed out, it didn't really matter. He cruised around for a bit till Petrucci started closing the gap, and then he picked up pace just to keep the gap at 3 seconds when it looked like he easily could have run up a 5-10 second lead in no time...but there's nothing smart about taking unneeded chances in the rain. Just do what you have to do in order to win or score points, and everything will take care of itself.
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It is admittedly hard at times to divorce the man himself from that certain element among his fandom, whom he no longer seems to encourage btw, but I actually don't dislike Valentino. I have to say I found the recently posted photo of him having the hand which touched Brad Pitt being kissed by his girlfriend amusing, self deprecating and rather charming. I currently go for Jorge mainly because I have come to admire him, but admittedly to some degree also because he is less fashionable.

I agree with much of the rest of your post though. MM is very definitely losing a mind game war he pretty much instigated. I don't think Valentino is sand bagging overall, he can't afford to do so against his current quality of opposition apart from anything else, and if his demeanor post Brno was feigned he should swap jobs with Brad Pitt (if he was to swap I would keep his current girlfriend and not swap for Angelina if I was him though).

He is obviously a master of controlling his pace in an individual race when he knows he has the upper hand however, and has sometimes done this for reasons of showmanship, although in the conditions at Silverstone winning at the slowest possible speed was the way to go. I think he also sometimes does it to give a pursuing rider false hope, which on occasion induces an error; Mick Doohan was wont to do this as well.
 
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Jumkie said:
Today's contributions and exchanges on Poserslide were stuff of legends. Well done gang bangers.

Special shout out to Kropo, hope you grace us with your presence regularly. If for nothing else to insult us, God knows we deserve it.


(Kesh, please don't go postal on me for expressing my gratitude and approval to the independent minded members here. I'm not a leader, I'm just a squirter trying to piss on you...oops, I meant take the piss.)
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.... you. And I say that with love.
 
The precedent that has been set this year with Marc apologists is that it's reasonable, routine and generally unremarkable to blame the motorcycle ( the best one no less ) for the rider's error that result in crashes. It's quite amazing and mind boggling to see this eclipse and numbing of sensible rational analysis, but this is what you get when the culprit of a crash is summarily blamed on an inanimate wheel sensor. What we are witnessing today is the progression of yesterday's conditioning to such an absurd acceptance that the collision Marc perpetrated on Pedrosa at Aragon was the fault of a wheel sensor. Now it's perfectly acceptable to blame the RCV's phantom and generally undocumented unproven "decline" and some irregularity of equipment ( though peculiarly publicized by the rider in question) regarding its characteristics as detrimental and specifically directly correlated to a crash incident. In the dry and now extended In the rain no less

Check that. Actually this precedent only applies to Marquez. Everybody else who crashes has done so because of their lapse in skill. If one ever has wondered when looking upon a noteworthy culmination of a historical event and wondered how did they get there; well it happens through small steps of which lead to absolute absurd outcomes, and end up with the Ministry of Truth
 
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Talking of rear wheel sensors, go and have a look at Scott Jones' PhotoGP or whatever it's called.
There's a highly amusing (to bike-tech nerds like me) of a Ducati rear disc area. Sensor wires cable tied all over the place. Wasn't HRC - laughably - penalised for this in the wake of Marquez chopping Pedrosa's?

That's right Dorna fans, just nod and eat the ........ served up to you.
 
Interesting I was unaware that Honda had actually been penalized. I think i remember reading about potential penalty points issued to Marcus. Or am I mixing up my memories?
 
J4rn0 said:
Never said the tire temperature would go out of range buddy... Still the variation could matter, especially for a bike that has a tendency to float on its rear. A slight drop in speed and temperature wouldn't cause a crash by itself, but as I said a drop in temperature + a possible lapse in concentration by MM + engine brake intervening or whatever else they said. A combination of factors -- something more credible than explaining it away as MM's idiocy or clumsiness.
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If your tyre temp is a credible theory then my theory is a butterfly flapped its wings in Laguna... About the same amount of guessing!
 
If the factory RCV is partly responsible for ejecting one of thee best talented riders in our generation, THEN its a major miracle anybody not on a factory Honda or factory Yamaha can finish a practice, let alone a race.
 

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