Rossi's MotoGP formula

cliché guevara said:

i never said that



i was just stating the fact that bridgestone were just so much better at selecting a number of competitve compounds days before the actual race because their tyres usually worked as opposed to the michelins "hit or miss" characteristic

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No but your were agreeing with this.

povol, on 09 October 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

What happened was their ace in the hole was banned, the overnight specials.From that point on, they were doomed. In my opinion, that had more to do with Michelins decline than the death of a CEO.

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Which was in responce to this

chopperman, on 09 October 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think Dorna and Bridgestoner were fully aware of the problems Michelin were having. It's their business to know whats going on. The CEO of Michelin died and that resulted in some in-fighting within the family and board. Michelin were talking about pulling out long before Rossi and dani switched. You as a fan ,may have been unaware but those contracted to them new what was happening.

From a marketing point, regardless of what rubber was being used on track, all the japanese road bikes were being fitted with Bridgstone rubber as standard.

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chopperman said:

No but your were agreeing with this.



Which was in responce to this

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dude please stop putting words in my mouth ok?michelin lost their last ace back then which is the reason for their rather poor performance in 2007,thats all i was saying





@ babel :

thats more or less what i was saying,and i specifically refer to 2007 when bridgestones advantage was obvious.



i know the overnight specials were for europe races only but those are quite a few in the calendar.

of course the tyre limitation plays the major role here , i thought that was understood.



if youre only allowed to choose between a few compounds to bring to the track and you're only able to produce compounds working in very narrow band of temperature/surface you have a problem when you get it wrong.



they reacted with overnights where possible but when you choose the wrong compounds and then lose that last ace you're basically ......,

cliché guevara said:

thats more or less what i was saying,and i specifically refer to 2007 when bridgestones advantage was obvious.



i know the overnight specials were for europe races only but those are quite a few in the calendar.

of course the tyre limitation plays the major role here , i thought that was understood.



if youre only allowed to choose between a few compounds to bring to the track and you're only able to produce compounds working in very narrow band of temperature/surface you have a problem when you get it wrong.



they reacted with overnights where possible but when you choose the wrong compounds and then lose that last ace you're basically ......,

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Well, for the likes of Povol and Jumkie anything that could possibly have gained Rossi is the greater evil and they are the major contributors of his success. The overnight specials sound so much better than Michelin having just the right tire with them form the start of the weekend, so according to them he a a dozen to choose from every sunday your around As you see, things are not as in the normal world here.



Your almost there, they were not restricted to a few compounds at the time. Overnights and number-restriction came at the same time and as I said they had all the tires for all the temperatures, so before the restrictions they usually got it right as they not only had the overnight option but is was easy to bring lots of truckloads of tires too, and believe me, they brought lots of trucks with them. But then again every now and then they got the rubbermix just a little wrong as tires and bikes continuously develop, and they went for the overnight option. But even without the overnights they would in no way be ...... as they were with heavy restriction on numbers. The numbers of tires was their big advantage together with enormous amounts of data on the tracks, bikes and riders. Numbers and data enabled them to deliver the best tires for the day, and even when they got it slightly wrong it didn't mean that it would be a total failure without the overnights, they just wouldn't have that edge. How much that edge meant depend on when you look at it. In the start it played a negligent role as they were basically the only competitive tire anyway. When bridgestone came along and eventually got competitive they saw it as a problem and got rid of it together with the real big advantage Michelin had.