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Rossi's MotoGP formula

J4rn0

J4rn0

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In an interview to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy, Rossi has outlined his preferences for the ideal MotoGP formula:



Number of participants: "24 to 26".



Engine type: "4 strokes (I prefers 2 strokers, but they are extinct an one has to acknowledge that)".



Capacity: "1000 cc. (not less; with a rev limit of 16,000-17,000 rpm, rather than 19,000 as it is now, to prevent the bikes from reaching 360 km/h. 320-330 km/h are enough".



Electronics: "One could keep basic traction control, because the bikes would be very powerful, but I would keep just one fourth of the electronic aids we have now. Now we can set power, throttle and traction control for each corner, and each gear. The bike knows exactly where it is on the track, so by setting the parameters right you can have it run through each corner in a perfect way. I would keep traction control, but of a fixed type, not adaptable to each corner. And no anti-wheelie, no brake management: this way we could see the bikes slide more when braking, and also have closer fights.



Tyres: "Open, as much as possible. Competition among different manufacturers is a positive thing".



Well, I think this would be a nice formula for 2012.
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i like it! now all he has to do is to get carmelo to force the factory's to agree!........ good luck with that!
 
frosty58 said:
i like it! now all he has to do is to get carmelo to force the factory's to agree!........ good luck with that!
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I think it would be great - could even see the factory teams going that way - basic tc can be sold on the street, but the multi giro systems just drive up costs for racing and prices up for street bikes
 
J4rn0 said:
In an interview to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy, Rossi has outlined his preferences for the ideal MotoGP formula:



Number of participants: "24 to 26".



Engine type: "4 strokes (I prefers 2 strokers, but they are extinct an one has to acknowledge that)".



Capacity: "1000 cc. (not less; with a rev limit of 16,000-17,000 rpm, rather than 19,000 as it is now, to prevent the bikes from reaching 360 km/h. 320-330 km/h are enough".



Electronics: "One could keep basic traction control, because the bikes would be very powerful, but I would keep just one fourth of the electronic aids we have now. Now we can set power, throttle and traction control for each corner, and each gear. The bike knows exactly where it is on the track, so by setting the parameters right you can have it run through each corner in a perfect way. I would keep traction control, but of a fixed type, not adaptable to each corner. And no anti-wheelie, no brake management: this way we could see the bikes slide more when braking, and also have closer fights.



Tyres: "Open, as much as possible. Competition among different manufacturers is a positive thing".



Well, I think this would be a nice formula for 2012.
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Amen Vale



Wow, the electronics are far more entrenched than most thought, mapping for every corner, WTF is the rider doing then..............!!
 
Talpa said:
Amen Vale



Wow, the electronics are far more entrenched than most thought, mapping for every corner, WTF is the rider doing then..............!!
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Hoping in praying nothing interrupts the sattelite signal
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Or make the reartires softer.(Make them not good enough i mean)They warm up but doesn't last the whole race.And keep the front tires working well.

That along with 1000 cc might work,or no?
 
J4rn0 said:
In an interview to Gazzetta dello Sport in Italy, Rossi has outlined his preferences for the ideal MotoGP formula:



Number of participants: "24 to 26".



Engine type: "4 strokes (I prefers 2 strokers, but they are extinct an one has to acknowledge that)".



Capacity: "1000 cc. (not less; with a rev limit of 16,000-17,000 rpm, rather than 19,000 as it is now, to prevent the bikes from reaching 360 km/h. 320-330 km/h are enough".



Electronics: "One could keep basic traction control, because the bikes would be very powerful, but I would keep just one fourth of the electronic aids we have now. Now we can set power, throttle and traction control for each corner, and each gear. The bike knows exactly where it is on the track, so by setting the parameters right you can have it run through each corner in a perfect way. I would keep traction control, but of a fixed type, not adaptable to each corner. And no anti-wheelie, no brake management: this way we could see the bikes slide more when braking, and also have closer fights.



Tyres: "Open, as much as possible. Competition among different manufacturers is a positive thing".



Well, I think this would be a nice formula for 2012.
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About freakin' time. If they will just rev limit the damn formula at 1000cc, the 990s will be legal again. They would be maybe 3-4 hp shy of a 1000cc engine. When you're talking about 260hp it's not a big deal.



DO IT ALREADY. IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE. Every cylinder count and bore measurement would be legal.



Either that or limit fuel flow. If they limit fuel flow. All engines will be legal including clean 2-strokes, 4-strokes, rotaries, whatever.
 
In GP racing, I would like to see "run what you brung".Whatever you have the balls to throw your leg over.
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Rossi's comments are hardly enlightening. I think you would get the same response from most fans with a bit of knowledge. The power of the comments is the fact that Rossi has said them. I think the key component is the TC for each corner. Talpa you seem to have a reasonable knowledge of MotoGP so I am surprised you did not know this. I think removing this feature of TC would allow for rookies to get a better grip on the bikes sooner.



I don't necessarily agree with Rossi on the rubber side of things though. I would like to see the rubber used to slow bikes down rather than rev limits etc. The current rubber despite its narrow operational band allows incredibly high corner speeds and easily lasts race distance. A control tire that has good grip early that deteriorates over the course of a race would allow the skill of the rider to play a huge role in the latter stages of a race as grip levels dropped off.
 
crickey i didn't realise you could program the 'bike' to help you take each different bend perfectly. What am i doing sat at this desk Motogp racing is calling me its easier than i thought, if i can get my car my 2 hairpin bends to work at 40mph without drifting that much i'm sure its easier on 2 wheels! Now who do i see about signing up for a team?
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Mental Anarchist said:
Rossi's comments are hardly enlightening. I think you would get the same response from most fans with a bit of knowledge. The power of the comments is the fact that Rossi has said them. I think the key component is the TC for each corner. Talpa you seem to have a reasonable knowledge of MotoGP so I am surprised you did not know this. I think removing this feature of TC would allow for rookies to get a better grip on the bikes sooner.



I don't necessarily agree with Rossi on the rubber side of things though. I would like to see the rubber used to slow bikes down rather than rev limits etc. The current rubber despite its narrow operational band allows incredibly high corner speeds and easily lasts race distance. A control tire that has good grip early that deteriorates over the course of a race would allow the skill of the rider to play a huge role in the latter stages of a race as grip levels dropped off.
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Sure. These are fairly common ideas among us, but it is important that Rossi voices them.

With the proposed 81mm bore limit for the 2012 1000cc 4cylinders engine specs, the rev limitation would come by automatically as to rev faster one would need a wider piston and a shorter stroke. So that would be taken care of without need of any limiter device.



The next issue is limiting corner speed, and that's where rubber becomes important. And power. Given a powerful enough engine, one could brake strong, turn the bike around and open up, and probably exit faster than the corner speed guy. Old style,but with enough TC to avoid highsides as much as possible. But to ride like that, the fuel limit should probably be brought to 24 liters.
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povol said:
In GP racing, I would like to see "run what you brung".Whatever you have the balls to throw your leg over.
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The old Formula USA concept.



You had Methanol breathing GSX-R 1200s vs Team Roberts YZR500s. That was a sight to see!
 
Cankles said:
The old Formula USA concept.



You had Methanol breathing GSX-R 1200s vs Team Roberts YZR500s. That was a sight to see!
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Remember it well, it was exciting to see what everyone was unloading off the truck.



Back to GP, i miss the tire wars. It added another dimension to the racing. I do find it ironic that the guy most responsible for 1 tire supplier is calling for its demise.
 
povol said:
Back to GP, i miss the tire wars. It added another dimension to the racing. I do find it ironic that the guy most responsible for 1 tire supplier is calling for its demise.
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I agree strongly with both of these points
 

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