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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 19 2008, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know man, the single most important thing no matter what your riding is forward vision wheather that be on dirt or tarmac, just because you might only enter a corner a half the speed on the dirt dose'nt make it any less dangerous and you can't take it for granted, sure Rossi might be able to focus more on whats in a closer range, besause how many years has he been riding more or less the same tracks
As for the visor I don't know, the black looks cooler
I have to say I disagree. Allthough I have limited off road experience, I've done som mountainbiking including downhill and my experience is that focus tend to be closer the slower it goes, not only absolutly but also relativ to the speed. This comes from to main reasons. First of all a high speed corner must be timed very accuratly because of how hard it is to do any directional changes at that speed, and to do that you have to look far ahead, secondly the slower the turn is it tend to be more obstacles that force you to focus on things right in front of your wheel.
That said, I didn't say you shouldn't look ahead when off the road, just that looking ahead was not taken from any off roader and moved to RR, it's been true for road racing for as long as it has existed.
As for the visor I don't know, the black looks cooler
I have to say I disagree. Allthough I have limited off road experience, I've done som mountainbiking including downhill and my experience is that focus tend to be closer the slower it goes, not only absolutly but also relativ to the speed. This comes from to main reasons. First of all a high speed corner must be timed very accuratly because of how hard it is to do any directional changes at that speed, and to do that you have to look far ahead, secondly the slower the turn is it tend to be more obstacles that force you to focus on things right in front of your wheel.
That said, I didn't say you shouldn't look ahead when off the road, just that looking ahead was not taken from any off roader and moved to RR, it's been true for road racing for as long as it has existed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Sep 21 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Still no solid answers on Rossi tinted visors ?
Drifted of course here chaps !
Anychance of a answer without talking about any other riders or rider styles or other rider dark visors.
I am waiting !!
I think it's because with a darker visor you are less sensitive to changes in light,you don't get blinded suddenly and the contrasts are more defined.I know it wasn't sunny at indy for instance so maybe he has just gotten used to it.
Sorry,but i haven't seen or heard him talk about it himself so this is just my guesses.
Drifted of course here chaps !
Anychance of a answer without talking about any other riders or rider styles or other rider dark visors.
I am waiting !!
I think it's because with a darker visor you are less sensitive to changes in light,you don't get blinded suddenly and the contrasts are more defined.I know it wasn't sunny at indy for instance so maybe he has just gotten used to it.
Sorry,but i haven't seen or heard him talk about it himself so this is just my guesses.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 21 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to say I disagree. Allthough I have limited off road experience, I've done som mountainbiking including downhill and my experience is that focus tend to be closer the slower it goes, not only absolutly but also relativ to the speed. This comes from to main reasons. First of all a high speed corner must be timed very accuratly because of how hard it is to do any directional changes at that speed, and to do that you have to look far ahead, secondly the slower the turn is it tend to be more obstacles that force you to focus on things right in front of your wheel.
That said, I didn't say you shouldn't look ahead when off the road, just that looking ahead was not taken from any off roader and moved to RR, it's been true for road racing for as long as it has existed.
Wow, were you and Tom seperated at birth or something ye seem to like disagreeing just for the sake of it, to an extent I wan't disagreeing with you, I know you did'nt say you should'nt look ahead when offroad but you did say, "I promise you that looking ahead is somthing you have to do a lot more in Road Racing than in offroad". And thats with as you said limited off road experience and then you use mountain biking as a comparison. The only thing thats the same there is the surface.
What I'm saying is that when I exit a corner I dont look at whats between me and the next corner, because I have all that figured out during pratice, in a race the line can change at any second thats where experience comes into it and being able to enter and exit a corner on a different line, once I'm there focus is on the exit and as far as I can see past it. Thats the same wheather I'm on tarmac or dirt
I agree with everything you have said in relation to road racing on high versus low speed corners and where you need to be looking, I'm just making a point that it no less important to do the same when offroad. I never said that looking ahead was something that was taken from offroading and introduced to road racing
Sorry Dion for going off topic again
That said, I didn't say you shouldn't look ahead when off the road, just that looking ahead was not taken from any off roader and moved to RR, it's been true for road racing for as long as it has existed.
Wow, were you and Tom seperated at birth or something ye seem to like disagreeing just for the sake of it, to an extent I wan't disagreeing with you, I know you did'nt say you should'nt look ahead when offroad but you did say, "I promise you that looking ahead is somthing you have to do a lot more in Road Racing than in offroad". And thats with as you said limited off road experience and then you use mountain biking as a comparison. The only thing thats the same there is the surface.
What I'm saying is that when I exit a corner I dont look at whats between me and the next corner, because I have all that figured out during pratice, in a race the line can change at any second thats where experience comes into it and being able to enter and exit a corner on a different line, once I'm there focus is on the exit and as far as I can see past it. Thats the same wheather I'm on tarmac or dirt
I agree with everything you have said in relation to road racing on high versus low speed corners and where you need to be looking, I'm just making a point that it no less important to do the same when offroad. I never said that looking ahead was something that was taken from offroading and introduced to road racing
Sorry Dion for going off topic again
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Personally i hate tinted visors.... same with tinted cars, its ugly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 21 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with everything you have said in relation to road racing on high versus low speed corners and where you need to be looking, I'm just making a point that it no less important to do the same when offroad. I never said that looking ahead was something that was taken from offroading and introduced to road racing
Fair enough, and I mixed up the postes here. Dion sad it was taken up from dirt bikes, you did not, but I didn't watch who was replying and therby assuming you were Dion. My bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Sorry Dion for going off topic again
Nah, riding style and technique is so much more interesting that visors. My theory is that Rossi have a spliff or two every race weekend so his eyes are sensitive to light, so what
Probably belong in the Lex Files though
Fair enough, and I mixed up the postes here. Dion sad it was taken up from dirt bikes, you did not, but I didn't watch who was replying and therby assuming you were Dion. My bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Sorry Dion for going off topic again
Nah, riding style and technique is so much more interesting that visors. My theory is that Rossi have a spliff or two every race weekend so his eyes are sensitive to light, so what
Probably belong in the Lex Files though
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Motrix450 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>4875:hpsc84.pdf]
CHECK THIS ONE OUT...COVER SAYS "HURRICANE ROSSI" .
YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HIS EYES AND HE IS LOOKING QUITE FAR AHEAD.
thats the look of fear as all sorts of crap including beer can's were blowing onto the track in front of him at indy
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
CHECK THIS ONE OUT...COVER SAYS "HURRICANE ROSSI" .
YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HIS EYES AND HE IS LOOKING QUITE FAR AHEAD.
thats the look of fear as all sorts of crap including beer can's were blowing onto the track in front of him at indy
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 24 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats the look of fear as all sorts of crap including beer can's were blowing onto the track in front of him at indy
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
even if we do ask, will they ever admit it?
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
even if we do ask, will they ever admit it?
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 24 2008, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>even if we do ask, will they ever admit it?
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
individually and under normal circumstances i might agree BUT this was nickys home gp and he was running in first place then got passed by rossi, i think it was at this moment the beer can flew past rossis head. now can you imagine jumkie and frosty pissed out of there heads drinking all day then seeing there boy get blasted into the the weeds by rossi. they would have spurred each other on . you also notice neither have been here to deny this charge. uuuummm, my minds made up.
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
individually and under normal circumstances i might agree BUT this was nickys home gp and he was running in first place then got passed by rossi, i think it was at this moment the beer can flew past rossis head. now can you imagine jumkie and frosty pissed out of there heads drinking all day then seeing there boy get blasted into the the weeds by rossi. they would have spurred each other on . you also notice neither have been here to deny this charge. uuuummm, my minds made up.
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I remember Rossi talking about his riding style in the past, even if I can not quote sources right now.
The essence is that he always memorizes the track very well and then runs very much by heart and feeling, using all his senses, not just the eyes--he has even admitted CLOSING his eyes "to see better" sometimes, when making a difficult pass! Fancy that (it explains some episodes though...)
He also listens attentively to the noise of other bikes around him to make out their position. Paddock rumors say his bike is always muffled a little more than necessary, so he can listen to others better.
In all this, a dark visor probably helps him in not receiving too much visual input which could kind of overwhelm other inputs.
I would not recommend such an approach for our normal road riding though!!!
The essence is that he always memorizes the track very well and then runs very much by heart and feeling, using all his senses, not just the eyes--he has even admitted CLOSING his eyes "to see better" sometimes, when making a difficult pass! Fancy that (it explains some episodes though...)
He also listens attentively to the noise of other bikes around him to make out their position. Paddock rumors say his bike is always muffled a little more than necessary, so he can listen to others better.
In all this, a dark visor probably helps him in not receiving too much visual input which could kind of overwhelm other inputs.
I would not recommend such an approach for our normal road riding though!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 24 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>individually and under normal circumstances i might agree BUT this was nickys home gp and he was running in first place then got passed by rossi, i think it was at this moment the beer can flew past rossis head. now can you imagine jumkie and frosty pissed out of there heads drinking all day then seeing there boy get blasted into the the weeds by rossi. they would have spurred each other on . you also notice neither have been here to deny this charge. uuuummm, my minds made up.
paging jumkie
(well, dad has not been here so i'm sure he'd answer your charges asap)
paging jumkie
(well, dad has not been here so i'm sure he'd answer your charges asap)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 23 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats the look of fear as all sorts of crap including beer can's were blowing onto the track in front of him at indy
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
seeing as it was fosters, it had to have been thrown!
also, because ike was blowing around, they would have to have been full tins too. ever tried to throw an empty beer can very far?
hmmm...
a thought just occurred to me. rossi said a beer can flew past him on the straight. i wonder if it was a fosters can. if you check the indy thread where jumkie and frosty met up (known rossi haters) they are seen drinking fosters. did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
seeing as it was fosters, it had to have been thrown!
also, because ike was blowing around, they would have to have been full tins too. ever tried to throw an empty beer can very far?
hmmm...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 24 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Chucking a can of fosters is an involuntary reflex response to taking the first sip of said beer for any beer afficionado.
only applies to first time fosters drinkers...after that, it stays on the shop shelf....unless youre trying to piss off someone....
only applies to first time fosters drinkers...after that, it stays on the shop shelf....unless youre trying to piss off someone....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 20 2008, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you sure say some stupid ....... .... !
Reminds me of Tom.
Reminds me of Tom.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tlrwinder @ Sep 18 2008, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, his visor is quite dark, MUCH darker than all the other riders/racers at Ike's Indy GP...
Yes, carrots suck....whether raw, steamed, boiled OR smoked
Now, if I can remember having read it somewhere in the past then I am sure someone else had seen it, also: in an interview, Rossi was asked about his head-down corner posture. He did, in fact (yeah, if I could only remember where...), admit to not 'looking through the corner' a la Colin, Elias, et al.
And, his reasons were quite simple---> (think heavy Italian Rossi accent), "Ahh, yes...for me, to view the end of the curve is not necessary. When I arrive to the entry, I already know where the exit will take me....so, thees allows me to view the surface of the racetrack directly in front of the bike, and I can make adjustments for maximum attack on the exit."
Okay....that wasn't his quote VERBATIM, but he did say that he watches the surface of where he is, I would imagine like 10-20 feet directly in front of himself, but only because he does know where the track will take him....thanks to the 1 million laps that they've run in practice over the years...
Anyone else remember seeing that anywhere in the past??
yeah i remember this somewhere as well. maybe the others should adopt this practice.
Yes, carrots suck....whether raw, steamed, boiled OR smoked
Now, if I can remember having read it somewhere in the past then I am sure someone else had seen it, also: in an interview, Rossi was asked about his head-down corner posture. He did, in fact (yeah, if I could only remember where...), admit to not 'looking through the corner' a la Colin, Elias, et al.
And, his reasons were quite simple---> (think heavy Italian Rossi accent), "Ahh, yes...for me, to view the end of the curve is not necessary. When I arrive to the entry, I already know where the exit will take me....so, thees allows me to view the surface of the racetrack directly in front of the bike, and I can make adjustments for maximum attack on the exit."
Okay....that wasn't his quote VERBATIM, but he did say that he watches the surface of where he is, I would imagine like 10-20 feet directly in front of himself, but only because he does know where the track will take him....thanks to the 1 million laps that they've run in practice over the years...
Anyone else remember seeing that anywhere in the past??
yeah i remember this somewhere as well. maybe the others should adopt this practice.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 23 2008, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>did it blow onto the track or was it thrown ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 24 2008, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>even if we do ask, will
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
i am capable of sinking to many levels...
nah, i know they wouldn't sink to that level
i am capable of sinking to many levels...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Sep 24 2008, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>even if we do ask, will they ever admit it?
no
no
