Rossi says relationship with Marquez “can never be recovered”

WVMotoGP99 · Mar 9, 2016

#22 said:
Of course it won't, and I bet off the record if you asked Marquez he would agree, but he isn't out using every press conference and interview as an opportunity to ..... and whine about Rossi.

And this proves my above statement

What you call ..... and whine, some would call being truthful, open and honest when asked a direct question. Instead of playing games on the track (see yours and Kropo posts), Rossi is just saying he thinks MM is a ......, and he has the right to say that.

Or should he put on the happy corporate face and lie and tell everyone that he is now BFF's with Marky and they have snuggles in the garage over biscuits when no one is looking?

If his ... still hurts about the whole deal and is asked, he should be able to tell how he feels. Not sure that can be called bitching and whining.

AntG · Mar 9, 2016

Well this just breaks my heart.

It's funny I remember saying to my cousin towards the end of 2014 that I could see a major blow up between Rossi and Marquez if they ever got into a few dogfights as up until last season they never really had too many moments. Rossi was all for Marquez ....... with Lorenzo and Pedrosa in 2013 but when it was he himself who had to go wheel to wheel with him, he didn't like it and the world had to know what a fiend Marquez is.

povol · Mar 9, 2016

Rossi will not allow Marquez to win another title as long as he is racing, and vice versa. All it takes is a couple of dnf's these days to eliminate a rider from contention. This can be accomplished without even drawing the ire of rd, with a racing incident here and there . This will end ugly with one of them seriously injured or worse

Gaz · Mar 9, 2016

Kropotkin said:
I get the distinct impression that Rossi is using this to fuel his internal fire, and motivate himself. Marquez is pretending he just wants to make up and be friends, but he really wants to .... with Rossi. Been a few moments on track during testing, so I heard. Nothing major. That will come during the races.

Hadn't finished reading the thread when I found this which pretty much sums up my thoughts

If VR needs to use this to motivate himself (the hatred) it is not the first time but is likely the first time he has done so in such an unabashed brazen manner as in the past he was much more subtle.

As tor MM, it isn't that long ago when he was being accused of cheating and of having DORNA under his palm. My how things have changed

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

Kropotkin said:
I have written repeatedly that Marquez was riding like a .... at Sepang. But I have also written repeatedly that Rossi asked for it by his accusations in the press conference.

What I mean by riding like a .... is that once Rossi caught him, he was riding at 100% to stay ahead of Rossi. No working together to try to catch the leaders, just a big .... you and some fantastic overtaking to be in front of Rossi. Rossi gave as good as he got, of course, and was riding like a .... just as much as Marquez. Then he lost his cool, and caused Marquez to crash.

That is what I wrote on the Monday after the race, and that is what I saw in the hundreds of times I have now seen the footage, and I haven't seen anything to persuade me things were any different.

This is the first time I've understood what you meant then. Honestly, the thing is it hadn't come across like this in what I've read on your site, and certainly not from other English speaking journalists. Blame it on my cynicism. Maybe I need to go back a re-read with a more open mind. But the general theme I've read on the debacle was that 'both' Marquez and Rossi were blame worthy. Thanks for the clarification.

Gaz · Mar 9, 2016

WVMotoGP99 said:
What you call ..... and whine, some would call being truthful, open and honest when asked a direct question. Instead of playing games on the track (see yours and Kropo posts), Rossi is just saying he thinks MM is a ......, and he has the right to say that.

Interestingly here, whilst what you say is true and I fully agree that riders displaying their brutal honesty is far better than corporate or publicity managed BS, it is not that long ago that a certain rider was pilloried and called a whiner for speaking their version and understanding of the truth, and yet today speaking with a different mouth is good, honest open and truthful.

History has come to bite VR and moreso the yellow horde quite severely on the ... here as when he/they whinge more than has been done previously the push is that it is accepted as honesty and as such we should appreciate it, and yet only a short time back these same people saw it as whinging when others did it.

Karma sometimes is a .....

Kropotkin · Mar 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
This is the first time I've understood what you meant then. Honestly, the thing is it hadn't come across like this in what I've read on your site, and certainly not from other English speaking journalists. Blame it on my cynicism. Maybe I need to go back a re-read with a more open mind. But the general theme I've read on the debacle was that 'both' Marquez and Rossi were blame worthy. Thanks for the clarification.

I expect you to read everything through your own special Jumkie-colored glasses...

Gaz · Mar 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
This is the first time I've understood what you meant then. Honestly, the thing is it hadn't come across like this in what I've read on your site, and certainly not from other English speaking journalists. Blame it on my cynicism. Maybe I need to go back a re-read with a more open mind. But the general theme I've read on the debacle was that 'both' Marquez and Rossi were blame worthy. Thanks for the clarification.

Jums, being fair I always read Krops comments as he has stated and nowhere did I see him blaming MM or absolving VR from blame.

Krops, on a serious side .............. given that your comments are not favourable to Rossi in regards to this issue, do you expect or have you experienced any cold shouldering?

michaelm · Mar 9, 2016

WVMotoGP99 said:
What you call ..... and whine, some would call being truthful, open and honest when asked a direct question. Instead of playing games on the track (see yours and Kropo posts), Rossi is just saying he thinks MM is a ......, and he has the right to say that.

Or should he put on the happy corporate face and lie and tell everyone that he is now BFF's with Marky and they have snuggles in the garage over biscuits when no one is looking?

If his ... still hurts about the whole deal and is asked, he should be able to tell how he feels. Not sure that can be called bitching and whining.

He can dislike/hate MM all he likes, it has been his final common pathway with any at all serious rival in the premier class anyway, all of whom through an extraordinary coincidence happened to be of sufficiently bad character to deserve such disapprobation by your assessment no doubt. I think it was Marco Melandri, who won only a handful of races against him, who said he is your friend till you start beating him.

What I find objectionable is the continued petulant whining about a championship he lost on the track because he wasn't fast enough at the end of last season, not only against MM and Lorenzo but also against Pedrosa and in one race Iannone.

I trust you guys are going to retract the large volume of posts made about Stoner being a moaner, his sin also on one occasion being to have Rossi take him out of a race, and in his case also from the championship lead.

I will await Rossi being censured for "bringing the sport into disrepute" under Dorna's ridiculous new regulation, but don't anticipate seeing same before the heat death of the universe.

WVMotoGP99 · Mar 9, 2016

Gaz said:
Interestingly here, whilst what you say is true and I fully agree that riders displaying their brutal honesty is far better than corporate or publicity managed BS, it is not that long ago that a certain rider was pilloried and called a whiner for speaking their version and understanding of the truth, and yet today speaking with a different mouth is good, honest open and truthful.

History has come to bite VR and moreso the yellow horde quite severely on the ... here as when he/they whinge more than has been done previously the push is that it is accepted as honesty and as such we should appreciate it, and yet only a short time back these same people saw it as whinging when others did it.

Karma sometimes is a .....

I agree. Thus the reason I am a Jorge fan. For good or bad.. For right or wrong.. For cheers or jeers, he speaks his mind and tells you what he thinks. No BS games. No playing nice to the fans or the media.

Therefore, and the only reason, I am taking Rossi side on this.. He spoke his mind.

Kropotkin · Mar 9, 2016

Gaz said:
Krops, on a serious side .............. given that your comments are not favourable to Rossi in regards to this issue, do you expect or have you experienced any cold shouldering?

I honestly never quite know what to make of Rossi when I speak to him. No idea if he likes me or not. I was once asked by Yamaha if I wanted to do a Rossi interview. A rare privilege, Rossi rarely speaks to the printed media. I turned it down, because I did not want to feel indebted.

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

Kropotkin said:
I expect you to read everything through your own special Jumkie-colored glasses...

This is true.

So riding like a .... doesn't mean Marquez committed a crime, but rather his mild transgressions was to "not work together" with Rossi (who had just attacked his integrity openly) to move forward. I'm not sure how that makes him a ..... ...., any one of us on this forum have greater sensitivity to attacks on our skin.

Though I'll add, if this is the standard for riding like a ...., Rossi has done his fair share over the years. I have rarely if ever read a journalist describe it as such, quite the contrary, it been described rather unanimously as Rossi’s sublime fighting spirit. Too bad VR couldn't take his own meds and threw in the towel tapping out very early. Otherwise Sepang 15 could have gone down as one of the most sublime classic GP duels. The duel of the century, the current two biggest names in motorcycle racing going toe to toe. Now it's just an occasion to point out a meltdown by Rossi when challenged to an on track duel. (Or as his fans would describe Sepang, the time Rossi rightfully ran Marquez off the track).

Krops, so you don't believe Marc (a young kid) is genuinely trying to have a civil relationship with Rossi; you were the person who always used to point out Marquez's single mindedness to go as fast as possible on the track, motivated only by winning, now it seems that assessment has changed. Now, that kid with the happy go lucky smile singularly motivated on the track to go fast is a vindictive, resentful, two-faced, adult hell bent on revenge? First of all, you sound like you are describing Rossi. But by any chance might you be projecting Alzamora's characteristics unfairly upon Marc? As you know, I was a big detractor of Marquez, while you took the opposite position, now the tables have turned? Keep in mind my issue with Marquez was the thoughtlessness in which he went about going fast, often to the detriment of others, never was my argument that he did this because he was being acrimonious. Your assessment of rumors of Marc's suspect riding during tests wouldn't stem from the same poisoned lense of scrutiny for which many viewed the Sepang race?

And, I think you may be giving Rossi too much credit, by saying he is 'using' the soured relationship with Marc (which he singularly created) as some extra motivation. I think he really believes the ........ he formulated, and that lunacy is where the "fire" comes from.

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

WVMotoGP99 said:
What you call ..... and whine, some would call being truthful, open and honest when asked a direct question. Instead of playing games on the track (see yours and Kropo posts), Rossi is just saying he thinks MM is a ......, and he has the right to say that.

Or should he put on the happy corporate face and lie and tell everyone that he is now BFF's with Marky and they have snuggles in the garage over biscuits when no one is looking?

If his ... still hurts about the whole deal and is asked, he should be able to tell how he feels. Not sure that can be called bitching and whining.

I agree. He is expressing his beliefs. He has that right, and as you say, it's honestly based on what he perceived.

Which makes me giggle with glee every time he does.

michaelm · Mar 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
This is true.

So riding like a .... doesn't mean Marquez committed a crime, but rather his mild transgressions was to "not work together" with Rossi (who had just attacked his integrity openly) to move forward. I'm not sure how that makes him a ..... ...., any one of us on this forum have greater sensitivity to attacks on our skin.

Though I'll add, if this is the standard for riding like a ...., Rossi has done his fair share over the years. I have rarely if ever read a journalist describe it as such, quite the contrary, it been described rather unanimously as Rossi’s sublime fighting spirit. Too bad VR couldn't take his own meds and threw in the towel tapping out very early. Otherwise Sepang 15 could have gone down as one of the most sublime classic GP duels. The duel of the century, the current two biggest names in motorcycle racing going toe to toe. Now it's just an occasion to point out a meltdown by Rossi is when challenged to an on track duel. (Or as his fans would describe Sepang, the time Rossi rightfully ran Marquez off the track).

Krops, so you don't believe Marc (a young kid) is genuinely trying to have a civil relationship with Rossi; you were the person who always used to point out Marquez's single mindedness to go as fast as possible on the track, motivated only by winning, now it seems that assessment has changed. Now, that kid with the happy go lucky smile singularly motivated on the track to go fast is a vindictive, resentful, two-faced, adult hell bent on revenge? First of all, you sound like you are describing Rossi. But by any chance might you be projecting Alzamora's characteristics unfairly upon Marc? As you know, I was a big detractor of Marquez, while you took the opposite position, now the tables have turned? Keep in mind my issue with Marquez was the thoughtlessness in which he went about going fast, often to the detriment of others, never was my argument that he did this because he was being acrimonious. Your assessment of rumors of Marc's suspect riding during tests wouldn't stem from the same poisoned lense of scrutiny for which many viewed the Sepang race?

And, I think you may be giving Rossi too much credit, by saying he is 'using' the soured relationship with Marc (which he singularly created) as some extra motivation. I think he really believes the ........ he formulated, and that lunacy is where the "fire" comes from.

I am expecting momentarily for Rossi to start referring to the rightful 10th championship of which he was so cruelly deprived in 2015 as "my precious".

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

Gaz said:
If VR needs to use this to motivate himself (the hatred) it is not the first time but is likely the first time he has done so in such an unabashed brazen manner as in the past he was much more subtle.

Subtle in the past? Rossi's reaction to the Sete's grid protest was anything but subtle. His altercation with Biaggi and his reaction to it, providing us with a plethora of quotes was anything but subtle. Rossi's quote to Stoner's reaction for being almost torpedoed down the Corkscrew was anything but subtle. Rossi even managed to turn the time he crashed out Stoner into him being the victim of Casey's "ungracious" reaction when he came into his garage with an army of cameras. Shall I go on about Rossi's subtly?

Gaz said:
As tor MM, it isn't that long ago when he was being accused of cheating and of having DORNA under his palm. My how things have changed

What makes you think because Dorna give Rossi preferential treatment that they were incapable of giving Marquez similar?

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

michaelm said:
He can dislike/hate MM all he likes, it has been his final common pathway with any at all serious rival in the premier class anyway, all of whom through an extraordinary coincidence happened to be of sufficiently bad character to deserve such disapprobation by your assessment no doubt. I think it was Marco Melandri, who won only a handful of races against him, who said he is your friend till you start beating him.

What I find objectionable is the continued petulant whining about a championship he lost on the track because he wasn't fast enough at the end of last season, not only against MM and Lorenzo but also against Pedrosa and in one race Iannone.

I trust you guys are going to retract the large volume of posts made about Stoner being a moaner, his sin also on one occasion being to have Rossi take him out of a race, and in his case also from the championship lead.

I will await Rossi being censured for "bringing the sport into disrepute" under Dorna's ridiculous new regulation, but don't anticipate seeing same before the heat death of the universe.

Brilliant post.

(Though I should make the point, WV99 wasn't one of those CS detractors.)

Gaz · Mar 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
Subtle in the past? Rossi's reaction to the Sete's grid protest was anything but subtle. His altercation with Biaggi and his reaction to it, providing us with a plethora of quotes was anything but subtle. Rossi's quote to Stoner's reaction for being almost torpedoed down the Corkscrew was anything but subtle. Rossi even managed to turn the time he crashed out Stoner into him being the victim of Casey's "ungracious" reaction when he came into his garage with an army of cameras. Shall I go on about Rossi's subtly?

His attacks were public but not as brazen

The influence he exerted was far more subtle as he was not always in the press arguing his case and/or seemingly calling his troops to arms but was no doubt involved in a range of 'hidden from the public' machinations that furthered his cause.

Put it this way Jums.

Did Rossi carry on for months with Gibbers, Biaggi, Lorenzo, Stoner ........... ?

Jumkie · Mar 9, 2016

Gaz said:
His attacks were public but not as brazen

The influence he exerted was far more subtle as he was not always in the press arguing his case and/or seemingly calling his troops to arms but was no doubt involved in a range of 'hidden from the public' machinations that furthered his cause.

Put it this way Jums.

Did Rossi carry on for months with Gibbers, Biaggi, Lorenzo, Stoner ........... ?

Ah I see. Yeah, he's definitely more laser focused carrying on about Marquez now. But to answer you're question, VR did hold a grudge quite a long time against his other villains.

Gaz · Mar 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
. But to answer you're question, VR does still hold a grudge against his other villains.

Corrected it for you Jums

And yes, I genuinely do not see him or his 'fans' ever not holding the grudges from the past and into the future (and to those that cannot tell the difference, in this case 'fans' refers to those people who are enamoured by the persona that is Rossi and as such blindly follow him as opposed to the many motorcycle racing fans who happen to support Rossi)

evo9 · Mar 9, 2016

pesa .... rossi said:
“This means that this year I will be much stronger than last year, I will be very hard to beat.

Let clarify this statement. What this pesa .... means he will play every dirty & illegal move if thats what it takes to get his revenge. Hope he pull this detrimental illegal move in Austin, so he can experience the law of the American justice system.

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