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Rossi Out After Malaysia

I hope he will ride the remaining races, but at the same time i like to see him go under surgery asap and get ready for next year.

I actually hoped he will stay home after his injury untill the end of the year or untill now. but he came back too early imo and he hasn't given time to his injuries to heal.



Go and enjoy fishing and comeback next year.
 
Stoner has spoken openly several times about the fact that the tests seemed to show that his problem was lactose intolerance. He has also mentioned a couple of times that he'd had a slight recurrence of symptoms due to eating something that had a milk product in it. So as far as I can see, he's never made a secret of it.

Exactly "seemed". Im only quoting what the tv commentators stated about casey wanting to keep his medical diagnosis private. I personally have never read anything official stating lactose intolerance and im sure casey used dairy products prior to 2009 with no problems. Casey seemed unaffected until the GB GP and seemed fine after his 3 week fishing break. You're in the industry and have more access to info than most of us here yet you still used "seemed", sounds pretty private to me.,
 
I've never seen Rossi compare himself with Gibernau, Stoner and Biaggi and complaining about how hard "that Rossi guy " were riding.

That's what Lorenzo did, putting him self on that very same list.

Are you saying Rossi has not complained about how hard another rider rode against him?
 
Are you saying Rossi has not complained about how hard another rider rode against him?

Well he did call Toni 'scud' Alias dangerous after he was torpedoed off the track. A move that in the end cost rossi the championship. Ironic thing is the haydenettes ignore this while condemning pedrosa for taking out hayden, maybe is because elias's move gave the championship to hayden. Double standards
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Exactly "seemed". Im only quoting what the tv commentators stated about casey wanting to keep his medical diagnosis private. I personally have never read anything official stating lactose intolerance and im sure casey used dairy products prior to 2009 with no problems. Casey seemed unaffected until the GB GP and seemed fine after his 3 week fishing break. You're in the industry and have more access to info than most of us here yet you still used "seemed", sounds pretty private to me.,



Casey Stoner, during rider debriefs, has used the words "lactose intolerance" and "ate something I shouldn't have" on multiple occasions, in my presence and the presence of many other reporters. You seem to want official recognition in the form of published medical records. If you did, you would be surprised at what ALL of the riders use when they are injured.
 
Casey Stoner, during rider debriefs, has used the words "lactose intolerance" and "ate something I shouldn't have" on multiple occasions, in my presence and the presence of many other reporters. You seem to want official recognition in the form of published medical records. If you did, you would be surprised at what ALL of the riders use when they are injured.

Not really, i just find it strange how this only effected him in 09 when things were not going so well. He was fine in 07 when he was winning and im sure he was exposed to lactose then ! I believe all the doctors hired by dorna/ ducati could not find anything wrong yet some aussie quack whose identity remains anonymous found a convenient answer. I'm being realistic here and looking at the facts, for the past year his fans have danced around these facts and anyone who questions it is lab led a bopper. Casey may make reference to lactose intolerance in front of you but is he saying he was affected by this in 07 ? or did he try foods with lactose in it for the first time in 09 ?
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Well he did call Toni 'scud' Alias dangerous after he was torpedoed off the track. A move that in the end cost rossi the championship. Ironic thing is the haydenettes ignore this while condemning pedrosa for taking out hayden, maybe is because elias's move gave the championship to hayden. Double standards
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You are right, Rossi was torpedoed by Elias, but that's not the time he complained. BTW, Elias was pictured with his hands in a praying position and bowing, asking for forgiveness after that torpedo, very unlike the Pedro Hayden incident. The time Rossi complained was at the Istanbul GP (I'm sure you remember). Elias taking out Rossi at the first race of the season was stupid, but certainly not the same level and quality of implication, as it wasn't done out of some blind conceit, but rather a boneheaded mistake of misguided zeal. And to add to it, Elias and Rossi were not teammates where the brand could have and should have addressed the aggression. And no sir, this was NOT the defining moment of the title, that came at the end of the season, not the begining. Unfortunate too, because I would have rather preferred a last race dual, not something decided by crashes.
 
Not really, i just find it strange how this only effected him in 09 when things were not going so well. He was fine in 07 when he was winning and im sure he was exposed to lactose then ! I believe all the doctors hired by dorna/ ducati could not find anything wrong yet some aussie quack whose identity remains anonymous found a convenient answer. I'm being realistic here and looking at the facts, for the past year his fans have danced around these facts and anyone who questions it is lab led a bopper. Casey may make reference to lactose intolerance in front of you but is he saying he was affected by this in 07 ? or did he try foods with lactose in it for the first time in 09 ?
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Here's what 5 minutes with Google turned up:



http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/lactose.htm

Definition and History

Lactose malabsorption and intolerance must be distinguished clinically from allergy to milk proteins, which is a rare but serious genetic problem in infants. This essay focuses on primary adult onset lactase deficiency, but two other forms of the syndrome must be noted.



http://www.foodreactions.org/intolerance/lactose/prevalence.html

Age

The age at which lactase deficiency presents varies from one race to another. In Blacks and Asians, hypolactasia usually manifests itself in early childhood (1-2 years in Thai), whereas in whites, it seems to occur later in childhood or in adolescence (10-20 in Finns). Lactose intolerance is not common in young white children.



http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/930971-overview

International



Adult-onset lactase deficiency varies widely among countries. Northern Europeans have the lowest prevalence at approximately 5%. Central Europeans have a higher prevalence at approximately 30%, and Southern Europeans have a much higher prevalence at approximately 70%. Hispanic and Jewish populations also have a high prevalence at approximately 70%, while Northern Indians have a much lower prevalence than Southern Indians, at approximately 25% and 65%, respectively. Almost all (90%) Asians and Africans are affected.



There were also a number of links to peer-reviewed scientific journals, such as this one: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.me.41.020190.001041?journalCode=med



From this, it would appear that lactose intolerance developing in a young white male in his early twenties is not an uncommon occurrence. After that, it just comes down to whether you want to believe him or not.
 
From this, it would appear that lactose intolerance developing in a young white male in his early twenties is not an uncommon occurrence. After that, it just comes down to whether you want to believe him or not.



I recall reading a post from a member here who is a doctor. He described how debilitating a severe bout with this condition can be. In most cases its not that bad, but in the cases where it is, its vicious. The problem is, these conditions cannot be proven with an x-ray for the world to see.
 
I recall reading a post from a member here who is a doctor. He described how debilitating a severe a bout with this condition can be. In most cases its not that bad, but in the cases where it is, its vicious. The problem is, these conditions cannot be proven with an x-ray for the world to see.



Playing devil's advocate, I would point out that I have not yet seen a scan of Rossi's shoulder. Or Pedrosa's collarbone. In fact, the only person whose injuries I am certain of is Nicky Hayden, as he posts pictures of them on Twitter...
 
Playing devil's advocate, I would point out that I have not yet seen a scan of Rossi's shoulder. Or Pedrosa's collarbone. In fact, the only person whose injuries I am certain of is Nicky Hayden, as he posts pictures of them on Twitter...

Thats because Nicky is a showoff.
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True story. You know, its a small world. But I actually got a hold of a prominent rider's x-ray once (if I said the name everyone here would recognize the name, but then I might be compromising my source). It just so happen to be, that when this rider crashed, they sent him to a hospital where I had a connection with the x-ray tech. No ......... It was a once in a million chance, but every time I dig up the x-ray and see the patient's name, I laugh in silence.
 
Thats because Nicky is a showoff.
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True story. You know, its a small world. But I actually got a hold of a prominent rider's x-ray once (if I said the name everyone here would recognize the name, but then I might be compromising my source). It just so happen to be, that when this rider crashed, they sent him to a hospital where I had a connection with the x-ray tech. No ......... It was a once in a million chance, but every time I dig up the x-ray and see the patient's name, I laugh in silence.

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Oh and thanks for the Hayden bro's boxer shorts and indi program you sent for my birthday
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Are you saying Rossi has not complained about how hard another rider rode against him?

No, but he has never put himself together with the above mentioned racers as a line of persons who complain about Rossi's hard racing.

That's what Lorenzo did, although he immediately said he was different than the others, whatever that means
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No, but he has never put himself together with the above mentioned racers as a line of persons who complain about Rossi's hard racing.

Would that mean he would have to complain about himself?



That's what Lorenzo did, although he immediately said he was different than the others, whatever that means
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Yes, this made me laugh too. He took a dig at them while doing the exact same thing they did; that is, they backed down for self-preservation (which isn't a bad thing though). Maybe he meant that those other two have had a chance at racing hard but haven't against Rossi. Which is NOT true because Stoner had put some decent (but not contact provoking) moves and seems willing to still race close (but certainly not bar bashing). And at the time of the Stoner Rossi incident, Stoner was in a similar predicament, that is, he was trying to win a championship, just not as close in points as Lorenzo, but still, the title was up for grabs.



You still havent answered my reply to you saying Yamaha were undiplomatic.
 
A journalist I trust told me it's not yet decided that Rossi will stop after Sepang. It seems the rumor started because someone found Rossi has booked a return flight after Sepang -- but he also booked a flight to Australia, the return is just a precaution. So unless his shoulder really falls apart or Yamaha puts a bomb under his hotel bed, probably we are going to see him at P.I. as well.

I surely hope so anyway, it would be a pity not seeing him up and down the slopes down there
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Rog i remember seeing stoner getting off the bike after only 5 laps in the free practice sessions & he looked like he was going to die. Im no doctor but i would say he was ill somin rotten. As for 2007 as you say there is no real proof but then again everyone is different, plus the aussies are always standing upside down so that was probably effecting im too.



As for other rider injuries, anyone who contests Pedrosa,s injury is a bit of a pillock in my book, christ the kid is built like a tissue has his throttle stick open & the bike come down on him & some dont think the collarbone is legit??



As for Rossi, i think we can safely say he did break his leg & it was mighty painful, just have another look at him in the gravel trap! As for the shoulder, well ive done all sorts of things to my body including sprains, strains, hyper extened knees blah blah blah & i can tell you now -They hurt like .... - DO NOT underestimate the pain & the healing time these sorts of things can require.

Ive hit cars head on, slid on diesel on roundabouts & had avoid sleeping truck drivers trying to ram you into central reservations whilst out for a ride.

I think you can see from his riding style etc that there is movement problems & obviously some pain there, although he seemed to be riding ok last weekend.



Dont forget that Lorenzo was in pain from his wrist i think it was at Qatar so all in all, the aliens as they are known have all had injuries this year
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As for other rider injuries, anyone who contests Pedrosa,s injury is a bit of a pillock in my book, christ the kid is built like a tissue has his throttle stick open & the bike come down on him & some dont think the collarbone is legit??



I'm sure Pedrosa's shoulder is legit, but my point was that it's about visibility. We've not seen visual proof that his collarbone is broken. We've not seen visual proof that Rossi's shoulder is banged up, nor been shown x-rays / scans to prove it. These problems are not visible to the naked eye, just like Stoner's lactose problems. All we have is the color of their complexions and their grimaces of pain, so we have to take their word for it.



Given the force of will that drives these people, to doubt them is foolish, in my opinion, and has more to do with personal allegiance than physical reality.
 
Have you considered Yamaha's perspective? They are protecting their title (after all, they provide the hardware,employ the teams and pay riders well) and their recently signed rider who they will have to work with the following year. The other rider has decided to leave, despite a reasonable offer to stay (who is on record as saying it wasn't the money). You say Yamaha did not act diplomatic. All they 'asked' of the leaving rider is to ride with a bit more margin of safety when battling fellow Yamaha rides. Tell me, what is the problem here? They didn't say let the other rider by, as some have in error implied team orders. Yamaha (the four principals) said that an aggressive battle was not wise from their perspective. They have invested money in both, and one must ride next year for them (hopefully injury free). The video is there, who executed clean passes and who initiated the contact is indisputable, as its on video. You said that Lorenzo "attacked" first. Watch it again, it was a contact free pass countered with a contact that was made because the line was not conceded by the passed rider. So are you saying a contact free pass is an "attack"? If anything, answer this question, which pass did Lorenzo initiate contact? From Yamaha's perspective, that counter contact is not necessary (which is where the contact occurred). The passed rider, if he was infact faster could have waited for the next opportunity to make a clean pass (exactly the type of clean pass that was done on him at T5). They even go on to acknowledge, from a sporting perspective, close racing is spectacular, but this is not Yamaha's interest when done between their riders for which they employ and invest. This is not reasonable to you?



Well to start off with the first and most obvious that you nor Tom are able to answer: Why do Yamaha take their laundry public?

Secondly, the first contact (I assume you talk about what happened under the bridge) was very slight and in addition Rossi performed the exact same pass successfully a few laps earlier. This time Lorenzo where in his line ( a slight inside line) not at the edge of the track where you would expect someone with an early apex to be. Full credit for Lorenzo to block the line but complaining about paint swapping when you block is a bit too much. You commit to a line and it's not always easy or possible to make major changes to that when fully committed. Not saying that was the case here but do you honestly think that Yamaha's critic was only about this one? Of course not, it was the whole fight and that rapidly changed from a very slight touch on the first incident to an all out one on one battle,side by side, where Lorenzo preferred to go on the outside but without being pushed wide by Rossi in that exposed situation, down to Lorenzo's major miss in the S's where he held Rossi up on the outside, drifting way off race line until Rossi were totally on the edge and to the point where he tried to push through Rossi into the turn. That was all on him and that incident was also the hard and dangerous one. Again, a gutsy move from Lorenzo, he had to try to keep up his winning chance and his will to win is indisputable and as I said before, good for him, but it's not Rossi taking the risk or trying to wreck a championship. That job Lorenzo does himself. It all ended with a clock clean pass by Rossi in the V trurn. Of course Rossi could just have rolled over and let Lorenzo by but that would have been the same as team order. Even an unnecessary one.



I can see why Yamaha want to nurture their new investment but (following his demands) to take it public with one sided critic of Rossi was not a pretty sight and NOT reasonable.

Take both to the back room and scream to them as idiots and lobotomized morons for 20 min would be reasonable.
 

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