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Rossi Out After Malaysia

It would still tell you absolutely nothing about the way he felt.



Wouldn't it!?? Well bugger that I'm not reading that !! I'll just go with the "divine truth" from the Bopper army then like you ........ easier than reading
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I suppose it leaves us with the predicament of believing both Stoner and Rossi.







But you believe only one. But you admit you know about the same for either. Logical?







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People make their minds up based on their own experiences. This is called a bias. Everyone is biased when putting forward a subjective opinion. Even you.

My pointing out of the bias in the previous post was merely to show that the poster was guilty of the same thing that they claimed I was.
 
How can an article like that tell you how an individual feels? You ....... lairy madman.
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Oh ... thats brilliant!, how can understanding the condition posibbly add to the knowledge of how the patient feels ........... ?



By golly you have a point!! I think we need to inform alll the medical training universities in the world of your starting discovery!! imagine the time it will save !! They have been doing it like that for years!!



You copulating hooligan lunatic.
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Get real ya Wally !
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People make their minds up based on their own experiences. This is called a bias. Everyone is biased when putting forward a subjective opinion. Even you.

My pointing out of the bias in the previous post was merely to show that the poster was guilty of the same thing that they claimed I was.

Yes we r all bias. Agree. But u havnt answered my question, what do u KNOW of the two conditions of the riders here that would lead u to believe one is lying and the other not? U admit u dont KNOW, that is u dont hav first person insider knowledge. Both men told us they had an issue. What in ur experience would lead u to determine at this point to believe one and not the other? I get "bias" but is it so irrational to simple determine without any real substance? Anyway, this is an old argument but it seems to hav resurfaced bcuz now another rider is claiming injury, in very much the same way as the other, that is it seems to ebb & flow, and now possible season ending consequence. So its interesting to me the stark similarity but the stark difference in reaction. Dont u find it interesting?
 
Rossi is giving jorge back the three points at least, since whoever replaces him is very unlikely to finish ahead of jorge in these 3 races
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Yes we r all bias. Agree. But u havnt answered my question, what do u KNOW of the two conditions of the riders here that would lead u to believe one is lying and the other not? U admit u dont KNOW, that is u dont hav first person insider knowledge. Both men told us they had an issue. What in ur experience would lead u to determine at this point to believe one and not the other? I get "bias" but is it so irrational to simple determine without any real substance? Anyway, this is an old argument but it seems to hav resurfaced bcuz now another rider is claiming injury, in very much the same way as the other, that is it seems to ebb & flow, and now possible season ending consequence. So its interesting to me the stark similarity but the stark difference in reaction. Dont u find it interesting?



One is easier to believe based on my personal experiences and understanding of the consequences of shoulder injuries. I'm not convinced on the other also based on my personal experiences. I'm not saying Stoner is lying.



I think we should leave it at that because we are going over old ground.
 
Rossi is giving jorge back the three points at least, since whoever replaces him is very unlikely to finish ahead of jorge in these 3 races
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Very true. Clearly Yamaha asked Rossi to go easy on Lorenzo and not give him any more lessons so he, staying true to his competitive racing nature, decided to stand down from the last couple of races to help Lorenzo. Completely selfless act by Rossi - putting others first and respecting the wishes of Yamaha.

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I don't think anybody is disputing the debilitating effects of Lactose intolerance. I thing i found strange with stoner was how quickly the complaint came about. Normally people are born with this or develop it over time. Stoners seemed to develop this complaint over night. Then there was the months of tests carried out by doctors all over the world and non could diagnose what was wrong with Casey. There were reports of casey not eating properly in fact i read somewhere that Casey was only eating chocolate, and tons of it!

Now you may be able to point me in the right direction for some reading as you're in the know? I only remember the Lactose intolerance diagnosis being made when fans were pretty pissed stoner went fishing and no doctors could explain why he couldn't race. I don't remember any credible reports on his illness. In fact i heard at the time that it was personal and Casey wanted to keep it that way. Maybe you're in a position to guide me?
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I can send you a credible report on Stoner's illness. I keep it here on my desk right next to Obama's birth certificate.

Need to see that too?
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It would still tell you absolutely nothing about the way he felt.



Perhaps not - but Stoner issued statements saying he was too ill to ride. Barring real evidence

to the contrary - that should have been the end of the matter - but all the Stoner haters

became self-schooled overnight experts on chronic fatigue - calling Stoner a faker, out

of what can only be described as meanness of spirit and petty spitefulness.
 
I don't think anybody is disputing the debilitating effects of Lactose intolerance. I thing i found strange with stoner was how quickly the complaint came about. Normally people are born with this or develop it over time. Stoners seemed to develop this complaint over night. Then there was the months of tests carried out by doctors all over the world and non could diagnose what was wrong with Casey. There were reports of casey not eating properly in fact i read somewhere that Casey was only eating chocolate, and tons of it!

Now you may be able to point me in the right direction for some reading as you're in the know? I only remember the Lactose intolerance diagnosis being made when fans were pretty pissed stoner went fishing and no doctors could explain why he couldn't race. I don't remember any credible reports on his illness. In fact i heard at the time that it was personal and Casey wanted to keep it that way. Maybe you're in a position to guide me?
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Common' Rog, what difference would it make if the illness did come on suddenly. Lots of illnesses do. Chronic fatigue

is - in this day and age - still largely a mystery to 99% of mainstream doctors. I had it for years and didn't know what it

was - and my doctors were totally baffled by my symptoms. Even amongst the guys who have made their name in the

field - specializing in CFS - there's tons of controversy over the causes and the most effective treatment protocols.



And so what if "people" were saying Stoner had a bad diet. "People" talk all kinds of ..... Rumors bandied about by folks

claiming to have close knowledge of celebrities are always suspect - unless verified by respected sources. People are

constantly talking ........ about people they don't even know. Why base an opinion on unverified hearsay unless you

just feel it conveniently fits the theory you already have? People believed Stoner was not sick - because that's what they

wanted to believe



And why the .... shouldn't a guy go fishing? If you're unwell and trying to de-stress - you do whatever relaxes you. Sitting

in a boat with a pole in yer hand seems a good way to do just that. Now if they'd found Stoner out playing competitive

ice-hockey, or skiing in the Italian Alps, or competing in the Tour de France - that would have been suspect.
 
Very true. Clearly Yamaha asked Rossi to go easy on Lorenzo and not give him any more lessons so he, staying true to his competitive racing nature, decided to stand down from the last couple of races to help Lorenzo. Completely selfless act by Rossi - putting others first and respecting the wishes of Yamaha.

What an excellent post.



And on that note, yes, lets just leav it at that...since this is covering old ground.
 
I don't think anybody is disputing the debilitating effects of Lactose intolerance. I thing i found strange with stoner was how quickly the complaint came about. Normally people are born with this or develop it over time. Stoners seemed to develop this complaint over night. Then there was the months of tests carried out by doctors all over the world and non could diagnose what was wrong with Casey. There were reports of casey not eating properly in fact i read somewhere that Casey was only eating chocolate, and tons of it!

Now you may be able to point me in the right direction for some reading as you're in the know? I only remember the Lactose intolerance diagnosis being made when fans were pretty pissed stoner went fishing and no doctors could explain why he couldn't race. I don't remember any credible reports on his illness. In fact i heard at the time that it was personal and Casey wanted to keep it that way. Maybe you're in a position to guide me?
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I have not been participating in the general post-motegi rossi bashing (not much anyway
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Even leaving aside the 2009 lactose intolerance thing, I see very close parallels between stoner's scaphoid problem at the end of 2008 and rossi's current shoulder problem. Both are not obvious to the naked eye, both eventually required/ will require surgery, and both varied in their effects at different circuits/races. I don't find anything inconsistent in the latter; different circuits are going to stress things differently, on circuits where the bike or the set-up of the bike is better there is likely to be less strain on the injuries, and if a rider is doing well enough to battle close to the front adrenaline can be an effective analgesic and a rider is more likely to want to put up with pain anyway.



So I don't think rossi is faking his shoulder at all, but neither was stoner faking the scaphoid in 2008. I don't necessarily agree with applying the same flawed arguments to rossi now though.
 
Taking this back on topic....



Why?
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I think he needs to have a break ( he's getting a bit frustrated ) and get the shoulder done.





PS Does your last name start with a D? I know/knew a Brydie from Newy.



I'm not personally against him taking PI off to have surgery (I'm pretty "Rossi neutral", so I'm not worried either way!), but of course some fans will be wanting him to come out.



And reply to your PS- no, my surname starts with an M!
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Prob because he has a lot of fans there and they'd want to see him present at their gp??



^ This. And the Rossi fans I know are scary.... o_O



Hmmm mayhaps??



But every time they pan the crowd at PI its a sea of red and a very occasional yellow hat amongst it. Its never like just about every other round, they even like Pedrosa here
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I don't think the masses here care either way if Rossi is there or not
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We'll be fans of anybody down here!!! (heck, look at my fave rider!
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wow what a whining friggen ..... rossi is. he cant take any criticism and now sits out rest of season? what a pansy. no respect at all. why not stick it more to horhey? what ...... all his antics have suggested he is a ....., divided garage, single tire, electronics and now this. what a fucken .....!!!!
 
Hmmm mayhaps??



I don't think the masses here care either way if Rossi is there or not
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The fans want to see the best riders, and they want to see a good race. There are a lot of Rossi fans at PI.

Most might still want to see Stoner win, but I think almost everyone would prefer Rossi was there.
 
I have not been participating in the general post-motegi rossi bashing (not much anyway
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Even leaving aside the 2009 lactose intolerance thing, I see very close parallels between stoner's scaphoid problem at the end of 2008 and rossi's current shoulder problem. Both are not obvious to the naked eye, both eventually required/ will require surgery, and both varied in their effects at different circuits/races. I don't find anything inconsistent in the latter; different circuits are going to stress things differently, on circuits where the bike or the set-up of the bike is better there is likely to be less strain on the injuries, and if a rider is doing well enough to battle close to the front adrenaline can be an effective analgesic and a rider is more likely to want to put up with pain anyway.



So I don't think rossi is faking his shoulder at all, but neither was stoner faking the scaphoid in 2008. I don't necessarily agree with applying the same flawed arguments to rossi now though.





clear difference is intent. rossi is doing out of spite from the little lecture his employer gave him. he is the biggest sook in the sport
 
So your point is that I don't really know about either Rossi or stoners condition because I'm not sitting with them at the doctor. No pun intended. You are correct so where does that leave us? I like everyone else make a decision as to what to believe. We all know how much things are not as they seem...



The difference between the two scenarios is that the effect on the results was much clearler in Stoner's case, so if anything his illness is more believable



True, no reason to nag about JLo except that he seems to go the same way as the others. It doesn't look like the smartest way to go but that's his problem, not mine.



That attitude works for Rossi, thats about as good as a seal of approval gets
 

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